Monitor Audio or Paradigm

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dannox02

Enthusiast
Hi all,

I just purchased a Yamaha HTR-5990 at a boxing day sale for a great price, now I'm looking for speakers for it. I am going to use them for a lot of music, and later add speakers for surround. Here is what I've narrowed it down to:

Polk rti-8, which comes with a free psw10 sub
Paradigm monitor 7
Monitor Audio Bronze 4

They are all the same price (within $100). I have listened to all, but it was difficult to tell because they were at different stores.

The Polk was a big box store. I didn't like these speakers in the store on their own (maybe because of the size of the store?), . They did not sound very full to me and were lacking bass, but am thinking that the sub would make a decent package

The paradigm and Monitor Audio is a little harder to tell. I really like both speakers, but am leaning towards the monitor audio, they seemed to have better bass response to me. Even though I listened to both sets in the same store, the Paradigm were in a larger room.

Anyway, my real question is about the Monitor Audio, I've had a hard time finding any reviews or discussion of these speakers (there's plenty about the paradigm and polk).

I think my real decision is between the Paradigm and MA, any thoughts?
 
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Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
I would prefer MA. Then again, I tend to prefer the "laid back" British sound to the "front and center" Canadian sound in general.
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
I'm a MA fanboy, so I'd definately go with the Bronze 4's.:D Take that with a grain of salt, though. The following are MA's I own: Gold Ref 20's, Gold Ref 10's, Gold Ref Center, Silver FX/i, Silver 8i's, Silver 12i, Bronze 3's & Bronze B2's. And I've owned or heard the Silver 7i's, Silver 5i's & Silver 3i's, as well as some other Bronze's.

MA has recieved some very good reviews from the British press as well as American rags like Stereophile & TAS. TAS awarded the Bronze B2's an "Editor's Choice Award" and raved them up. I actually haven't heard the B4's yet, but I have B2's and I have the older Bronze 3's, so I'm figuring the same "house sound" is there thru the lineup with better bass as you get larger.
 
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KrisJ

Junior Audioholic
I have always been a fan of MA's speakers, and I have owned and listened to the gold and silver lines. You should be able to get the Bronze's at a steep discount because they are being replaced with a new Bronze Refrence line.

Ive also owned Polks which served me well for the 5+ years I owned them.
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
how much of a jump in sound quality is there between the bronze-silver-gold Rob?
 
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dannox02

Enthusiast
KrisJ said:
You should be able to get the Bronze's at a steep discount because they are being replaced with a new Bronze Refrence line.
Interesting. I never saw any reference the Bronze Reference on the MA U.S.A. site but they are on the UK site. I'm in Canada, is the reference series available in North America yet?
 
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dannox02

Enthusiast
Also,

What about the pairing of either the Paradigm or the MA with the Yamaha reciever? I've read that certain speaker/amp combos don't match well. As far as I can tell from what I've read, the Paradigm/Yamaha is good, what about the Yamaha with MA?
 
Crackerballer

Crackerballer

Senior Audioholic
I have a pair of Paradigm Studio 20's (can't comment on the monitor line) and had a Yami RX-v2500. It was a great combo. I am a paradigm leg humper, only because my local dealer is so nice and let me hear them alot before buying.

I feel you can't go wrong as long as u buy good quality speakers that YOU think sound good.
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
mike c said:
how much of a jump in sound quality is there between the bronze-silver-gold Rob?
That's an interesting question, and a bit complex. She short answer is that each step up gives you more than you thought you could get for the money. Years ago I bought some Bronze 2's (from the original series) from a local store that was dropping MA- seems that MA and B&W are bitter rivals, and the dealer agreement with the latter stipulated they couldn't carry the former. Since B&W is better known, they were forced to drop Monitor. At any rate, I simply couldn't believe the sound I got from that medium 2-way bookshelf. In fact I loved them so much I took them back! But only to exchange them for the floorstanding Bronze 3's (which I still have, btw, tucked away in my bedroom- although they haven't been powered up in quite awhile). All the Bronze's sounded basically identical except that as they got bigger they had more bass. The Bronze 3's have amazing bass for their size, and are mass loadable. Adding 20 lbs of lead shot to each really improved their focus and "slam."

From there I upgraded the Silver 7i's. I was a bit reluctant to buy them; they're basically the same form factor and size as the Bronze 3's but cost 3X as much. And I had to order them online as the local dealer only had the 5i's (which are also remarkable at the price). When they arrived and I hooked them up next to the Bronze's I was stunned- the Silvers made them sound like they had an old army blanket over them! They weren't brighter at all; but it was like my reciever had a dial marked "detail" and I'd just turned it up a few notches! I want to be clear: all the way up and down the line MA speakers have a "house sound" that I'd describe as very detailed, extremely transparent in the midrange, superb treble extension and smoothness that's perhaps a tiny smidge "polite" as opposed to hot. The 7i's reminded me of that line in Cassablanca when the woman asks the inspector what Rick is like, and he responds, "like any other man, but more so." The 7's just added a lot of detail, along with bass that just doesn't make sense from a speaker that size. BTW, they're also mass loadable, but I never loaded 'em as I have a pair of sub.

Next I bought a pair of 8i's. That was another soul searching decision- how much better could they be? Ultimately I was shocked how good they were. Adding all those drivers increased the sense of ease while playing loud or comlex parts. The dynamics were better, but so was low level detail. I ended up selling the 7i's on Agon a week later.

Every since 2000 or so I'd lusted for the Golds. Finally a pair fell into my lap. I bought a pair of Gold Ref 20's, and they completely altered my notions of what a speaker could do. I've heard some speaker up to 5x their price that couldn't touch them. They have a similar house sound but open the window to the performance so wide that I sometimes feel I can walk thru! They elevate speed and air to a level I haven't heard in other dynamic speakers, in a way that reminds me of Martin Logans. The treble is superbly detailed and smooth but never etched. They retain that civility that some may dislike, but I love. Again, even though I'd moved up the chain before and been thrilled, I worried that the Golds couldn't be that much better than the 8i's I had...But I was very wrong! I figured at a certain point the improvements would be only incremental, but the Golds made my Silvers sound BROKEN!

The only problem I have is that they're revealing enough that poor discs sound extra poor. It's the old audiophile cliche, but it's based on truth: each upgrade seems to make your CD collection smaller. It's unfortunate- you read about how overcompression is ruining the sound of CDs but you say to yourself "I've never noticed that." Then you finally have enough resolution to hear all the flaws.

I'm sure there's better out there, but I'm pretty happy with my Golds, and I've yet to hear anything that bested them in enough areas to make a switch. I would like to eventually try some Salk Veracity HT-3's or Onix LS-6's, though. And of course guys like Sleestack would put my MA's in the toilet as bathroom speakers!:p But to me $3000 is a lot to spend on a pair of speakers, much less $10,000.

In summary, as you move up the line you get more and more detail and better bass, and the improvement is usually clear enough to surprise you. Likewise, as you descend the line, you get the same focus and coherency, that same natural-ness, you just give up a bit or air and resolution.

Hope my ramblings help you.:D
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
KrisJ said:
I have always been a fan of MA's speakers, and I have owned and listened to the gold and silver lines. You should be able to get the Bronze's at a steep discount because they are being replaced with a new Bronze Refrence line.

Ive also owned Polks which served me well for the 5+ years I owned them.

The Bronze 4's are actually Bronze B4's I suspect. That's the newest model. They use a 1" Gold tweeter and 2 x 6.5" MMP mids/woofs. Is that the one you mean, dannox02?


 
B

BMO

Junior Audioholic
Rob Babcock said:
The only problem I have is that they're revealing enough that poor discs sound extra poor. It's the old audiophile cliche, but it's based on truth: each upgrade seems to make your CD collection smaller. It's unfortunate- you read about how overcompression is ruining the sound of CDs but you say to yourself "I've never noticed that." Then you finally have enough resolution to hear all the flaws.

I'm sure there's better out there, but I'm pretty happy with my Golds, and I've yet to hear anything that bested them in enough areas to make a switch. I would like to eventually try some Salk Veracity HT-3's or Onix LS-6's, though. And of course guys like Sleestack would put my MA's in the toilet as bathroom speakers!:p But to me $3000 is a lot to spend on a pair of speakers, much less $10,000.

In summary, as you move up the line you get more and more detail and better bass, and the improvement is usually clear enough to surprise you. Likewise, as you descend the line, you get the same focus and coherency, that same natural-ness, you just give up a bit or air and resolution.

Hope my ramblings help you.:D
Very true. I have CD's that I refuse to play that just a few years back were my favorites.The most enjoyable aspect of the golds are, you here things on recordings you never knew were there before.
 
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dannox02

Enthusiast
Rob Babcock said:
The Bronze 4's are actually Bronze B4's I suspect. That's the newest model. They use a 1" Gold tweeter and 2 x 6.5" MMP mids/woofs. Is that the one you mean, dannox02?


Yes, I believe so.

Thanks for help, I see what you mean about upgrading. Unfortunately I have a pretty strict budget :( so I need the best bang for the buck. I also don't plan to upgrade any time soon, other than to add more speakers for surround.

I'm hearing a lot of praise for the MAs, so I have to go back and have another listen. I had listened to the Paradigm Monitor 7s and 9s several times before and had gone to the store intending to choose between the two. The sales guy then told me that if I listen to a lot of music I should check out the MAs. That threw me a bit, so I'm back to research! I'm going back today with some different types of music to do another comparison.
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
dannox02 said:
Yes, I believe so.

Thanks for help, I see what you mean about upgrading. Unfortunately I have a pretty strict budget :( so I need the best bang for the buck. I also don't plan to upgrade any time soon, other than to add more speakers for surround.
Don't get me wrong- they don't sound "budget" at all. The only way they suffer is vs a direct comparison. The Bronze's don't really have any glaring flaws, and if for some reason I had to go back to a system with all Bronze's I'd miss my Golds, but I wouldn't be devastated. They Bronze's are very balanced & musical speakers!:D
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
thank you very very much Rob for that very detailed review of the MA lines. as much as you have saved me the money from purchasing the BR line, you might have also made me want to spend more from the GS10 to the GS20 :) guess, I'll have to save some more :)

I agree that MA and B&W's are UK rivals ... but have you compared them during the time you were choosing? are the MA golds a match to the B&W 800 series or is it between the 800 and 700? (cause I heard the golds best the 700 series)

one more thing: up and down the line, the tweeters are ALL 1" gold C-CAMs ... are they the same tweeter? if they are, why would there be an improvement in SQ up high in the frequency?
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
All of their tweeters are cosmetically similar but they are not the same units. The Golds have a different tweeter.

Yes, I compared MA head to head with B&W on several occasions. While I prefer MA overall the B&W's are very good speakers, and many of the comparisons were very close. Ultimately I could live with either, but I felt the Monitor's gave more value for the money. That of course would depend on the price you paid.

The one area the MA's consistently trumped B&W for me was in "smoothness," for lack of a better word. The Monitors were never harsh where occasionally the B&W's were. Perhaps that means the MA's are rolled off, but I can't stand a speaker that even flirts with brightness or hardness.
 
Z

zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
mike c said:
thank you very very much Rob for that very detailed review of the MA lines. as much as you have saved me the money from purchasing the BR line, you might have also made me want to spend more from the GS10 to the GS20 :) guess, I'll have to save some more :)

I agree that MA and B&W's are UK rivals ... but have you compared them during the time you were choosing? are the MA golds a match to the B&W 800 series or is it between the 800 and 700? (cause I heard the golds best the 700 series)

one more thing: up and down the line, the tweeters are ALL 1" gold C-CAMs ... are they the same tweeter? if they are, why would there be an improvement in SQ up high in the frequency?
I compared MA gold/silver floorstanders with B&W 704's and B&W 805's using Musical Fidelity seperates. The MA's are smoother, with more bass. However, I prefer the B&W sound. B&W, to me, have the perfect mids and tweets. The MA's loose their mid detail due to movement, hence the bass response. And, the tweeters are not as good as B&W's(IMO).

It's a close race. It comes down to preference.;) After all of my listening, I had my choices in order. There may be better speakers out there, but these were the best available to me within my budget.
MB Quart (QLS-830)
B&W (704S)
Monitor Audio (RS6)

If I had the money, I would've chosen B&W 805's or higher. Even though they are bookshelf, they still best the 704's and RS6. I even liked them better than the MA gold GS20 version at the time. I don't think they were called GS20 then. They were the same size, and had the same amount of drivers as the RS6.

Paradigm was on my list in the beginning. As soon as I heard B&W and MA, they were no longer a part of the plan.:D
 
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ChrisJam

ChrisJam

Full Audioholic
Rob Babcock said:
Yes, I compared MA head to head with B&W on several occasions. While I prefer MA overall the B&W's are very good speakers, and many of the comparisons were very close. Ultimately I could live with either, but I felt the Monitor's gave more value for the money. That of course would depend on the price you paid.
Rob, which B&W line or lines did you compare to? I auditioned the B&W 705s a couple months ago and hated them. They were too bright in my opinion--ear-splittingly so. I haven't heard the 800 series yet.

Is it fair to compare the MA Bronzes to the B&W 600s, the Silvers to the 700s, etc.?

Thanks,
Chris
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
ChrisJam said:
Rob, which B&W line or lines did you compare to? I auditioned the B&W 705s a couple months ago and hated them. They were too bright in my opinion--ear-splittingly so. I haven't heard the 800 series yet.

Is it fair to compare the MA Bronzes to the B&W 600s, the Silvers to the 700s, etc.?

Thanks,
Chris
I agree about the 705's. Boxy sounding to me. It's amazing how much better the 805's sound.
 
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