Marantz Capable of living up to it WPC specs?

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Seriously, I have no life.
because fool i mentioned earlier it was a sine wave generator, you need to pay attention more.



sensitive in the frequency range, the drivers had a claimed15 - 42khz freq, response.



first off the dimming is not that extreme, they very slightly dim when the volume is at -15 on kick-drum kicks

secondly i have the receiver hooked into a dedicated outlet capable of being under a 2000w load.
You need to do a few things before you get your answer.

1) Stop calling people fool and ***.

2) Understand that humans DON'T hear up to 30KHz and very few experience any sensation up to that frequency, let alone actually what is called 'hearing'. The most sensitive range is between 800Hz and 6KHz and sensitivity drops off rapidly below and above that. Audiologists don't even bother to test past 8KHz unless it's just to find the absolute limits because it's not needed for speech intelligibility and that's their main concern. There's no musical information at 30K, only harmonics and since people can't hear that high, there's nothing put there, intentionally. Digital recordings CAN'T produce source material above 20KHz. Period. If you hear anything when playing a CD, DVD or MP3 that's in that range, it's distortion or alias tones from the digital filters.

3) Headphones are often rated for frequencies they can't produce well. If the frequency response showed something like "25Hz-42KHZ" but didn't include ±3dB or some other number, it's a useless spec. It may produce 42KHz but it doesn't matter if that frequency is -20dB below flat response. You even used 'claimed' in your last post- claiming something and actually doing it are two completely different things.

4) Learn that a dedicated outlet that's on a circuit used by other devices doesn't mean the circuit isn't close to its maximum load. If the outlet was installed specifically for the stereo and there's nothing else on the circuit but the lights still dim, you have electrical problems in your house. If this is happening, it means the current draw is causing voltage drop at the breaker panel. An outlet may be able to handle 2KW but that has absolutely nothing to do with what the circuit can handle.

5) Sine wave generators aren't equal. How do you know that yours isn't the cause of a sub-harmonic? How do you know that its output level isn't too high and causing this sub-harmonic? If you haven't used a frequency analyzer to determine what frequencies are coming out of the headphones, there's no way to verify what you're hearing.

You posted "i honestly am not sure what this means but the specs for it say it has "7 discrete amplifiers" in it." That just means there's one amplifier for each channel. Gene mentioned that it may have discreet output devices, but there's a difference between that and saying that it has discreet amplifiers. If you look inside and see rows of smaller transistors instead of large rectangular devices with a long row of pins, you have discreet output devices.

If you can actually hear 30KHz, you are unique. Have your hearing tested in a scientifically legitimate way and you may become famous. Otherwise, it doesn't really matter.
 
jeffsg4mac

jeffsg4mac

Republican Poster Boy
It is hard to take seriously anyone who throws around phrases like "Clean sounding"
 
krzywica

krzywica

Audioholic Samurai
Hey guys I know exactly whats wrong.

Doc Brown is getting tired and in turn is opening and closing the loop for his clock tower....or I mean electrical system.

Its hard to drive a receiver when you need 2.1 jigowatts.

 
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yepimonfire

Audioholic Samurai
fine, let me change my terminology, this word seems to fit better. it sounds "bright"
 
krzywica

krzywica

Audioholic Samurai
whats wrong with saying it sounds clean?
Because if it doesn't sound clean then there is something majorly wrong. It should always sound clean no matter what your setup is. :)

I think thats the issue some have taken....I just like giving people crap for no reason.....I'm half troll.
 
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yepimonfire

Audioholic Samurai
lol, no dude i have two different receivers and the SQ from the marantz is much brighter even with using the same speakers. to get this straight, the marantz amp makes my speakers sound brighter then my kenwood.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
lol, no dude i have two different receivers and the SQ from the marantz is much brighter even with using the same speakers. to get this straight, the marantz amp makes my speakers sound brighter then my kenwood.
The DACs and processing in the Marantz make it sound different, not the amps. Marantz has a neutral to warm sound to me and has never made my speakers sound bright. Amps can make a slight difference in sound, but not to the point where I would say an amp alone could make a speaker bright.
 
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yepimonfire

Audioholic Samurai
well im not exactly sure if the analog sound runs through proccessing from my ipod (well it does wheni use PLIIx MS) but on a normal, no-dsp setting, it sounds a bit better then my kenwood, the kenwood sounds very very warm and seems to have a strong midrange where-as the marantz sounds brighter with much more pronounced bass and highs.keep in mind this is just my personal opinion though. im not sure if this makes a difference or not, but the marantz claims it has a flat response of like 5hz-50khz (i know you can;t hear that high) the kenwood is like 20hz-20khz or something like that. the marantz can also put out twice the power per channel.
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
i never said 35khz, i can't hear a 35khz tone, i can BARELY hear 30khz as it is.
My apologies: I meant to type "30khz". My comment is otherwise the same.

i actually top off at the same volume level ( meaning the same volume for every tone in order to be heard) at around 24khz, i doubt i have a, for lack of better word(s), same volume hearing range for the 30khz, as i have stated before, i had to really crank up the vol. to hear it. doesent matter, im not going to continuously argue with you for no reason to prove my point, no matter how much of an *** you are, if i can hear i can hear it, i dont need your "approval".
No, but in all liklyhood you are not hearing 30khz. More likely you are hearing 15khz, or some other sub-harmonic being produced by the headphones.

and just so you know, i said i dont need a sub because i am satisfied with the bass output of my towers.
I guessed that much.

lol, no dude i have two different receivers and the SQ from the marantz is much brighter even with using the same speakers. to get this straight, the marantz amp makes my speakers sound brighter then my kenwood.
It's unlikely that the amp section is the issue. EQ would be my first guess (most quasi-modern Marantz have calibration EQs), and the afore-mentioned DAC is another possability.

A mainstream Amp putting out a non-flat response would generate a lot of community chatter: and I don't see any.

well im not exactly sure if the analog sound runs through proccessing from my ipod (well it does wheni use PLIIx MS) but on a normal, no-dsp setting, it sounds a bit better then my kenwood, the kenwood sounds very very warm and seems to have a strong midrange where-as the marantz sounds brighter with much more pronounced bass and highs.keep in mind this is just my personal opinion though.
There are two possabilities. Either you are imagining it (*very* common, why testing is double-blind), or it is really there. See above for the latter.
 
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yepimonfire

Audioholic Samurai
It's unlikely that the amp section is the issue. EQ would be my first guess (most quasi-modern Marantz have calibration EQs), and the afore-mentioned DAC is another possability.
what in the world is that?

There are two possabilities. Either you are imagining it (*very* common, why testing is double-blind), or it is really there. See above for the latter.
i don't think i am, i was given both the receivers and used the kenwood for a very long time for a stereo setup and was quite happy with the sound, one day i wanted to mess with the marantz and came to the conclusion it sounded much better, it may be the EQ thing your talking about or whatever, the marantz has all kinds of digital processing stuff in it, the kenwood is totally analog. the only way to see if it was the amplifiers themselves would be a double blind test with the direct button enabled on the marantz (bypasses all the processing). either way i really don't care why the marantz sounds better, im just glad it does. :cool:
 
jeffsg4mac

jeffsg4mac

Republican Poster Boy
And what type of speakers are you making these amp comparisons with?
 
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yepimonfire

Audioholic Samurai
i've used three different sets, the original speakers i used to test it with were a set of KEF sattelites.
 
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