Looking for some kind of 2 channel amp? For a set of outdoor speakers

[Tibornagy]

Looking for advice please. I have 2 pairs of outdoor speakers. One pair by my gazebo and one pair by my pool. Both are yahamas. The set of speakers by the pool I have hooked up a volume control knob. For the longest time I have just run both pairs of two separate receivers. But in trying to make space I hooked both pairs up to a older 4 channel onkyo interga tx85. But the issue I am having is when selecting both a and b. Speakers the pool speakers are too low. I can hear them and all but I would like them to be louder at times. The wiring to the pool area is a long run(75ft?) I did use heavy guage wire. But due to the long run I guess it's losing some power. So here is my question is there some sort of cheap 2 channel booster to hook up to the wire for the pool speakers? I don't think it needs alot just some help..
Thanks hopefully you got the the idea

By the way the onkyo says it's 80 watts a channel..

 

[lovinthehd]

What particular speaker models do you have? What kind of volume control did you insert? The Integra TX85 seems to be a two ch unit, probably runs out of juice trying to use it as a 4ch amp. Does the TX85 have pre-outs?

 

[Tibornagy]

No it is a 4 channel. The speakers are mounted so to be honest, I don't know the specs off hand just yahama out speakers. The volume control knob was something cheap for like 60 bucks. Just so I didn't have to run inside to turn the speakers up or down..

 

[lovinthehd]

No it is a 4 channel. The speakers are mounted so to be honest, I don't know the specs off hand just yahama out speakers. The volume control knob was something cheap for like 60 bucks. Just so I didn't have to run inside to turn the speakers up or down..

Having A & B speaker terminals does not make it a four channel amp. Many used as such suffer when trying to use A&B together, as they don't actually have four discrete amps inside, A&B terminals are more about using in two different rooms and not necessarily together....but depends on the impedance load of your speakers, so good to know what that is.

ps from what I can see there are no pre-outs to add a separate amp with, altho since you have a separate volume control you might be able to use the tape outs for such (tape out wouldn't be controlled by the volume knob on the Integra).

 

[Tibornagy]

No it is a 4 channel. The speakers are mounted so to be honest, I don't know the specs off hand just yahama out speakers. The volume control knob was something cheap for like 60 bucks. Just so I didn't have to run inside to turn the speakers up or down..

Having A & B speaker terminals does not make it a four channel amp. Many used as such suffer when trying to use A&B together, as they don't actually have four discrete amps inside, A&B terminals are more about using in two different rooms and not necessarily together....but depends on the impedance load of your speakers, so good to know what that is.

ps from what I can see there are no pre-outs to add a separate amp with, altho since you have a separate volume control you might be able to use the tape outs for such (tape out wouldn't be controlled by the volume knob on the Integra).

Yamaha ns aw350 for the a speakers and aw150 for pool speakerw

 

[Tibornagy]

Having A & B speaker terminals does not make it a four channel amp. Many used as such suffer when trying to use A&B together, as they don't actually have four discrete amps inside, A&B terminals are more about using in two different rooms and not necessarily together....but depends on the impedance load of your speakers, so good to know what that is.

ps from what I can see there are no pre-outs to add a separate amp with, altho since you have a separate volume control you might be able to use the tape outs for such (tape out wouldn't be controlled by the volume knob on the Integra).

Gotcha it was fine when I was using two separate receivers and I just split the source being played between the two. But I was hoping to free up some space. And it's just some speakers by the pool not looking to spend big bucks on it. Otherwise I'll just go back to the other setup

 

[2channel lover]

When using 2 AVRs I trust you were not using the wall volume control, or has the volume control always been in use? Either way, something tells me the volume control for the pool speakers is not getting enough juice, or it could be the culprit.

 

[lovinthehd]

Yeah the volume control maybe somewhat a culprit but might be a reasonable tradeoff for the convenience.....

Yamaha ns aw350 for the a speakers and aw150 for pool speakerw

The AW350s are nominally rated 6 ohm, 87dB sensitivity, the AW150s are also rated 6 ohm but only 85dB sensitive. Running them together is probably the primary issue. You could perhaps use the second receiver as an external amp since you already have it....

 

[Tibornagy]

Yeah the volume control maybe somewhat a culprit but might be a reasonable tradeoff for the convenience.....



The AW350s are nominally rated 6 ohm, 87dB sensitivity, the AW150s are also rated 6 ohm but only 85dB sensitive. Running them together is probably the primary issue. You could perhaps use the second receiver as an external amp since you already have it....

I have the other amp which is a older pioneer 5.1 receiver. Any ideas maybe I could just use that somehow.

 

[lovinthehd]

I have the other amp which is a older pioneer 5.1 receiver. Any ideas maybe I could just use that somehow.

Model number of the Pioneer? More than likely it wouldn't be hard to use that way so you could keep your sources separate and use it just as an amp....

 

[Tibornagy]

Model number of the Pioneer? More than likely it wouldn't be hard to use that way so you could keep your sources separate and use it just as an amp....

Pioneer vsx d514 all I'm trying to do using play my Pandora to both sets of speakers. With out using two receivers. And btw I do have a real receiver and speakers.. and nice Denon paired with Klipsch rf 5s and macthing center and rears and a svs sub..lol

 

[one more time]

Simplest, cheapest and effective solution.

Pick one receiver to use as the control receiver. Connect that to one pair of speakers. This will be used to select the source to be played and control the volume of one pair of speakers.

Run an interconnect from a "tape out" of the control receiver to an aux input of the other receiver. Select the "Aux" input. Connect the second set of speakers to this receiver. This receiver will control the volume of the second set of speakers.

You'll have individual control of the volume for both speakers, one on each receiver.

 

[lovinthehd]

Simplest, cheapest and effective solution.

Pick one receiver to use as the control receiver. Connect that to one pair of speakers. This will be used to select the source to be played and control the volume of one pair of speakers.

Run an interconnect from a "tape out" of the control receiver to an aux input of the other receiver. Select the "Aux" input. Connect the second set of speakers to this receiver. This receiver will control the volume of the second set of speakers.

You'll have individual control of the volume for both speakers, one on each receiver.

I'd use the multi-ch inputs of the Pioneer receiver since it has them rather than aux unless he wants to use the dsp in the Pioneer. He wants to use the poolside volume control so should set the Pioneer to an appropriate level to use the external volume control with. Conceivably since the Pioneer does have discrete amps could also just use that alone, rather than both, and use a multich stereo mode and connect all four speakers to it.

 

[Tibornagy]

I'd use the multi-ch inputs of the Pioneer receiver since it has them rather than aux unless he wants to use the dsp in the Pioneer. He wants to use the poolside volume control so should set the Pioneer to an appropriate level to use the external volume control with. Conceivably since the Pioneer does have discrete amps could also just use that alone, rather than both, and use a multich stereo mode and connect all four speakers to it.

I'm thinking that's what I'm gonna do.. I just have to dig up the manual. And read about the settings. I'll get back to see what it allows me to do

 

[lovinthehd]

I'm thinking that's what I'm gonna do.. I just have to dig up the manual. And read about the settings. I'll get back to see what it allows me to do

Feel free to ask questions or even message me, glad to help. Online manuals are available for most gear.

 

[Tibornagy]

Well the 4 channel stereo mode didn't really work I had the same results the pool speakers were way to low. I even boosted the rear speakers up all the way for the channel levels. Although I don't really know if that takes affect for 4 channel stereo. Ok so I guess I'll go back to using a second receiver for the pool speakers. In the past I used to y RCA plugs and split the signal to each receiver. But using the tape out to the second receiver would be easier. My question is would there be a delay in sound? Using tape out to the other receiver.
Thanks again

 

[one more time]

No. Not unless you employ DSP on one or both of the receivers.

 

[Tibornagy]

Ok.. not sure what dsp is. But should be no delay thanks. Because you can hear both sets of speakers and a delay would sound weird. And upon further research turns out the pool speakers are 4 ohms..so between the long run and all I see what the problem is. I might also swap out the speakers too

 

[everettT]

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[one more time]

Ok.. not sure what dsp is. But should be no delay thanks. Because you can hear both sets of speakers and a delay would sound weird. And upon further research turns out the pool speakers are 4 ohms..so between the long run and all I see what the problem is. I might also swap out the speakers too

Depending on the distance between you and the speakers, the sound may leave both speakers at the same time but, if the distance between them is great enough, one might reach your ears a bit later than the other.

Sound travels through air much, much slower than through a wire. That's why you see the lightening before you hear the thunder.