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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Thanks for everybody's help. So far I have found a dealer willing to part with one for 6K. I'm gonna keep on looking.
Yeah, that's AVP price range. If the pricing were equal to both the Denon and Anthem, I'd pick the Denon. Might as well, JMO.

However, with this kind of budget, I might consider further researching what is really important to you. Seriously, and with all due respect.

Gennum vs Realta? Well, a standalone VP will offer you more. How important is VP to you?

Audyssey vs ARC? How important is RC to you? Cutoff freq choice + graphs versus multiple target curves + "pro capability"? Of course, the standalone SEQ is what, about $2k?

Connectivity? Well, I'd imagine the Denon wins here.

Importance of 2ch preamp SQ? Some people just add a 2ch pre/pro with HT bypass to an affordable HT prepro.

IOW, there are a lot of ways to skin a $10k cat. IMO, for best SQ, you are best served in first researching acoustics, treatments, speaker + listener positioning.

If you are set on a combo package, yeah, the Anthem and Denon are the two choices. But, with $10k, you can actually afford a separate video processor + separate RC device + separate pre/pro + separate amp + room treatments.
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
If you are set on a combo package, yeah, the Anthem and Denon are the two choices. But, with $10k, you can actually afford a separate video processor + separate RC device + separate pre/pro + separate amp + room treatments.
Very true, but how much of a pain in the butt do you want to make everything here, as well as multiple boxes to sync together rather then an all in one source/answer... Jostenmeat is certainly correct, a huge SQ boost will/should come in the form room treatments... it will probably have the biggest impact on your sound in conjunction with your nice equipment.

The Denon is a great choice, but doesn't include the Audyssey pro kit, which is also an additional $4-500 - possibly more... so one would have to factor that in for price matching to match that performance of ARC
Not sure how many connections on really needs, I'm a pretty simplistic user, so I have an external media unit for streaming movies and music... the streaming function on the AVP is piss poor IMO, bad enough that I would never use something as klunky as that. The AVP comes with ethernet connection, which would be nice on the D2v but I don't feel like I'm dying without it.. would be great for updating firmware though but I haven't had any issues.

just some other various tid bits I figured I would add in there...
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Very true, but how much of a pain in the butt do you want to make everything here, as well as multiple boxes to sync together rather then an all in one source/answer...
Obviously, my goal is not to make things more difficult just for the sake of it, but to show the OP that "there are many ways to skin a cat". Just in case the thought never occurred to him, perhaps with an assumption that a flagship all-in-one unit is the end-all.

That, in fact, if he DID want the VERY BEST, separate components are the wtg, and he can still afford to do so. Or IOW, if you gave me $10k, and told me I had to spend ALL of it on upstream electronics, my previous post would represent my initial train of thought. If I was allowed to spend on anything in the HT, I'd upgrade my PJ, and then maybe a second sub.

But, then, you're talking to someone using a refurbished Onkyo receiver as a pre/pro. The Anthem alone costs more than that, my refurbished 68 lb NAD amp, and superceded Cambridge A class switching integrated, combined. Heck, you could add a couple to few hundred lbs of my treatments to that budget, and the Anthem still is probably more.

Really, I just wanted to know what was really important to him. Was it everything? Perhaps not, maybe he's using some 27" CRT for a television, but I doubt it since he wants the new codec support. Is he using a projector? If so, the outboard VP might become much more desirable. If it's a 50" plasma, probably not, well, perhaps that is also dependent on the color accuracy as well.

Are either the Anthem or Denon good enough for 99.9999% of folks. I'd sure think so.

$400-500 for a Pro Audyssey setup is only 5% of the budget, but, well, it's a pro setup. My bigger fear here is not the price, but to actually find someone willing. I've picked the brain of a well known CI guy at AVS, and he just won't do it for you unless you've bought a significant amount from him, let alone having him do the whole install. I particularly remember the great importance he put on the placement of furniture. Regardless, 5% of the budget is not that bad when you consider that it will most likely benefit SQ disproportionately to the budget. And I mean that in the positive sense.

Don't get me wrong; I'd take either choice any day of the week, and I wouldn't complain. They are both great pre/pros, and like I said, I concur with these two choices.
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
Agreed... I'm just not a huge fan of having to co-ordinate video separate from the audio... and the D2v video processor is truly at the top of the pyle even compared to separate components (and bests the video processor in the AVP), so I guess I just don't see the point of having an external VP, if its not really that much of an increase in performance and hardly that much more configurable then D2v - its extremely configurable and customizable..... I think there was only 1 more adjustment that was available on a top of the line outboard VP, which uses the same chip as the D2v - Sigma Designs VXP


The D2v can be easily had at close to $1K less then when BMW already found....
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
the D2v video processor is truly at the top of the pyle even compared to separate components (and bests the video processor in the AVP), so I guess I just don't see the point of having an external VP, if its not really that much of an increase in performance and hardly that much more configurable then D2v - its extremely configurable and customizable..... I think there was only 1 more adjustment that was available on a top of the line outboard VP, which uses the same chip as the D2v - Sigma Designs VXP
You speak of the Radiance XD/XE? The 1 more adjustment being CMS? That one adjustment is probably the most important priority for getting this unit for videophiles. It's what separates itself from other VP's, and that includes Anthem's. Is it worth it? Meh. Will it give you the best video possible if your display is something like a JVC projector? Yes (unless, arguably, outside the RS20 specifically, and only after the very recent CMS correction, and perhaps even that is arguable).

Again, my posts have been with the idea of "best" in mind. I'd never buy the Anthem or the Denon, at least not until I make waaaaaay more money. The point was that even this Radiance XD and the Anthem fits into budget, along with a mch amp. Ok, maybe not in fact, but this with a different pre/pro + amp, will. Now, he might not care for the XD's CMS, but then there are other goodies he could fit in for 10k. Just sayin'.

otherwise, well said Warp, heard loud and clear. 11 point gamma correction?
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
You speak of the Radiance XD/XE? The 1 more adjustment being CMS? That one adjustment is probably the most important priority for getting this unit for videophiles. It's what separates itself from other VP's, and that includes Anthem's. Is it worth it? Meh. Will it give you the best video possible if your display is something like a JVC projector? Yes (unless, arguably, outside the RS20 specifically, and only after the very recent CMS correction, and perhaps even that is arguable).

Again, my posts have been with the idea of "best" in mind. I'd never buy the Anthem or the Denon, at least not until I make waaaaaay more money. The point was that even this Radiance XD and the Anthem fits into budget, along with a mch amp. Ok, maybe not in fact, but this with a different pre/pro + amp, will. Now, he might not care for the XD's CMS, but then there are other goodies he could fit in for 10k. Just sayin'.

otherwise, well said Warp, heard loud and clear. 11 point gamma correction?
Whoa.... hehehh way over my head on all that tweaking abilities for sure.... I guess I'm that guy that doesn't worry about going to the N'th degree in video, just wasn't as important to me as SQ from the audio end of things. Appreciate you having the forums back on that part.....

I'm pretty sure the Anthem does have the 11 point gamma (correct me if I'm wrong)... I'd have to recheck... Once I got my stuff dialed in, I haven't been back into the Video portion of it for a while...

BMW said:
Thanks for all of your interest! I am looking for the all in one solution. I have a wife and kids, so it needs to work and I always desire quality. I am not totally up to date on all the latest stuff, and while Denon and the Anthem are both rated highly, I must say ,I wasn't sure which to pick. Just not educated enough. Over the years I have read some great reviews on the D1 and D2. Now we have the D2V. I already own my front Pmc speakers soon to be followed by the in wall rears. Do you think 7 channels is worth it? Display wise, I have a 70" Sony XBR2 running thru a dvdo edge. How does that stackup to the Anthem processing? I am waiting for the next great line of large displays. Keep it coming, I appreciate your help. Any regrets, no denon? BMW
I hardly think you would be disappointed with the Denon, I would look like an @$$ if I would suggest otherwise, SQ is right there and flexibility is as good as it gets... Look at the foot print of both units, that was important to me, may not be for you. The Denon is a huge unit, where the Anthem is more compact.

Hopefully josten can fill you in on the differences in processors of either the Anthem and the dvdo Edge, he's far more experienced on that end of the game.....

As far as going to 7.1, it made a huge difference in my room for me, there may not be a huge amount of material out there that contains it, but I really really like the audio processing the Anthem offers.... Anthem Logic Cinema, Movie, Music - and of coarse the PLXII stuff is excellent as well.... I set up my unit to always take the incoming signal of 5.1 up to 7.1... the extra expansive room filling is spectacular for me and my setup.... personal preference, but very important to me for filling in the dead zone behind me seating... I have an awkward setup, and placement of my side surrounds is not the best in the world, so the added fill is fantastic.
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
oh the Anthem should be quite superior to the Edge. The DVDO is pretty much just a scaler, with EE and NR adjustments that could be used with SD sources. Nothing like the gamma adjustments of the Anthem.
 
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thrang

Audioholic Intern
I've been using the Denon AVP-A1 for several months now, and am thrilled with it - first time in, well, ever, that I'm satisfied to looking no further.

The D2V was my other choice, and I don't think you will go wrong with either.

In my case, I recently purchased a Wyred4Sound amp and that was a noticeable improvement over the previous Earthquake Cinenova Grande 7 I had, which was superb in its own right. But the A1/W4S is really eminently enjoyable for me - great soundstage, stressless highs, detailed low-end, great thrust and force when called upon, nuanced when necessary..
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
I've been using the Denon AVP-A1 for several months now, and am thrilled with it - first time in, well, ever, that I'm satisfied to looking no further.

The D2V was my other choice, and I don't think you will go wrong with either.

In my case, I recently purchased a Wyred4Sound amp and that was a noticeable improvement over the previous Earthquake Cinenova Grande 7 I had, which was superb in its own right. But the A1/W4S is really eminently enjoyable for me - great soundstage, stressless highs, detailed low-end, great thrust and force when called upon, nuanced when necessary..

Nice thrang.... +1, the Wyred Amps are very clean, cool running and effortless - I have a 7 channel mated with my D2v powering my Studio's... I'll be looking to upgrade the speakers if/when the Paradigm Sigs .v3 are announced....
 

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