Looking for 7.1 Speaker Setup

Warburg

Warburg

Audiophyte
I currently have a Pioneer VSX 1019AH-K 7.1 AVR with very old speakers, and I plan to start fresh, although I am looking for some advice/reviews on a nice set.

I plan on buying a set piece by piece, starting with the center channel speaker.


My price range is very open, as I plan to buy a piece or pair every month or so. I would say for reference I'm looking to spend roughly $150-$300 for the center channel speaker.


Any and all suggestions are most appreciated.
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
I currently have a Pioneer VSX 1019AH-K 7.1 AVR with very old speakers, and I plan to start fresh, although I am looking for some advice/reviews on a nice set.

I plan on buying a set piece by piece, starting with the center channel speaker.


My price range is very open, as I plan to buy a piece or pair every month or so. I would say for reference I'm looking to spend roughly $150-$300 for the center channel speaker.


Any and all suggestions are most appreciated.
I don't think your budget can afford one, at least a decent one anyways, but if you look to start with the center first, I presume you are looking for a horizontal speaker. If the case, the ideal would either be a WTMW design, a coaxial flanked by bass woofers, or perhaps some other design. If the listening positions are only on-axis, relatively, then it's not quite as much of a concern. But if you care for listeners that are approaching 20 degrees offaxis or so, or more, it's something to look into.

I bring it up because I presume center performance is paramount to you, as that's what you intend to start with. But, like I said, I don't have any ideas at the budget, though someone else might. Of course the best way is to use a vertical speaker as center speaker.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
I currently have a Pioneer VSX 1019AH-K 7.1 AVR with very old speakers, and I plan to start fresh, although I am looking for some advice/reviews on a nice set.

I plan on buying a set piece by piece, starting with the center channel speaker.


My price range is very open, as I plan to buy a piece or pair every month or so. I would say for reference I'm looking to spend roughly $150-$300 for the center channel speaker.


Any and all suggestions are most appreciated.
Is this strictky Home Theater or is there some music listening involved as well? If so, I would start off with replacing the old pair of speakers with a new pair of speakers instead of going the center channel route first.
:)
 
Warburg

Warburg

Audiophyte
Okay, I'll edit my first post.

Price range is roughly $250-$500 for the center channel alone.


The intended use is going to be Music/Movies/Gaming


Edit - Also, my current L/R speakers are of better quality than my center/surrounds, so that is why I'm going with the new center first. But I'm eventually getting the whole set, so it really doesn't matter anyway.
 
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sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
In that price range you could go with:
  • Ascend Acoustics CMT-340SE for the front three and HTM-200 for the surrounds. Saving some money by buying b-stock the center is $270 and the mains $500/pr, and surrounds $245/pr.
  • Ascend Acoustics CBM-170SE mains, A CBM-17SE-C center and HTM-200SE for surrounds. The CMB-170s are on sale for $300/pr right now.
  • Infinity Primus P162 bookshelves as mains for $85/ea, PC250 center for $150, and P152 as surrounds for $75ea. In stock at Crutchfield.
  • Depending on the room size I'd budget $400-600 for an eD or Hsu subwoofer.
If I were you I'd start with the mains if possible, or if you go Infinity then I'd go with the front 3 all at once ($320) since they are discontinued.
 
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Warburg

Warburg

Audiophyte
@Sholling

Would you choose the 1st setup you mentioned (Front 3 CMT-340SE) over either the Zero, Two, or Three NHT setups?
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Bla bla bla PSB bring a notepad:)


there I fixed it for you :)

@Sholling

Would you choose the 1st setup you mentioned (Front 3 CMT-340SE) over either the Zero, Two, or Three NHT setups?
Are all pretty much tonally neutral speakers. The issues of timbre matching don't exist in much noticible sense. You could get the Ascends as L/R mains, and the NHT as a center. The reason I recommend the NHT center is because of its WTMW design. Ascend uses the 340-SE on its side as a center.. which is unideal. any horizontal MTM design will not sound "right" to anyone sitting off axis... by nature an MTM speaker is designed to control vertical dispersion, but a horizontal MTM will instead control horizontal dispersion and let vertical dispersion go wild. The 340-SE is a great Left/Right speaker, and not a bad choice if used as a vertical center, but I don't like it as a horizontal center. It'll work, but not as well as a WTMW

Of course, getting two more of that NHT center to use as L/R mains won't hurt either.

What you don't want is a pair of mains with timbre issues paired with a neutral center. In that case you need to pair your mains with their MATCHING center.
 
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Warburg

Warburg

Audiophyte
Here is a crude representation of my setup for reference.


 
ahblaza

ahblaza

Audioholic Field Marshall
there I fixed it for you :)



Are all pretty much tonally neutral speakers. The issues of timbre matching don't exist in much noticible sense. You could get the Ascends as L/R mains, and the NHT as a center. The reason I recommend the NHT center is because of its WTMW design. Ascend uses the 340-SE on its side as a center.. which is unideal. any horizontal MTM design will not sound "right" to anyone sitting off axis... by nature an MTM center is designed to control vertical dispersion, but a horizontal MTM will instead control horizontal dispersion and let vertical dispersion go wild.

Of course, getting two more of that NHT center to use as L/R mains won't hurt either.

What you don't want is a pair of mains with timbre issues paired with a neutral center. In that case you need to pair your mains with their MATCHING center.

Grant, I'm considering three 340 SE's for the front stage, Dave of AA said he can configure the center for any orientation I plan on using it with, which of course would be vertical. The center is identical to the mains except it has something called EXBAC in the xover circuitry which is supposedly optimized to reduce diffraction losses created by the front baffle when oriented in a horizontal position. I don't understand this circuitry nor do I care to, so Dave told me three identical 340SE's with the center in vertical position would yield optimal results. I also do not particularly endorse MTM horizontal center placement, I've noticed at even 20 degree off axis it doesn't sound right. Dave even states on site that horizontal MTM designed centers that lower frequencies in the midrange response are 6dB down from the higher freq's that beam forward, these lower frequency losses occur on the front baffle of the horizontal MTM placement, EXBAC is designed to compensate for these losses, but I will stick to three vertical MTM 340SE's. Just for the lack of something else I use a primus 162 as a center for now, no it is not timbre matched to mains but sounds to my ears a lot better than the previous MTM horizontal designed centers that I used. Just my 2 cents.
Jeff
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
When you quote someone and then write an entire paragraph response, you're not supposed to agree with them. You totally threw me off.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Here is a crude representation of my setup for reference.


After you buy mains, get a pair of good subs and place them opposite each other in the center of the side walls. Corner loading subs is meh
 
ahblaza

ahblaza

Audioholic Field Marshall
When you quote someone and then write an entire paragraph response, you're not supposed to agree with them. You totally threw me off.
I am really sorry, was not my intention to do so. I apologize to the OP also.
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
@Sholling

Would you choose the 1st setup you mentioned (Front 3 CMT-340SE) over either the Zero, Two, or Three NHT setups?
The choice of Ascend or NHT is personal taste and only you will know what sounds best to you. What I would NOT do is mix brands on the front three. That's a no-no. You can mix in different surrounds if you like but the front three should be as close to a perfect match as possible. I happen to like the CMT-340 because they are a very capable good sounding speaker that's very easy to drive. That's my taste and what I would buy if I had a $1000 budget for 5 speakers. Your taste may be different. Just bare in mind that few bookshelf speakers are going to make you totally happy until you add a properly sized subwoofer. That's why I'd buy the mains, then the sub, then the center, then the sides, in that order. And only then worry about the rears.
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
Is that possible with a 7.1 receiver?
It's very doable as long as you buy vented subs (sealed like corners) and a powerful enough sub for the room. You use corners like a megaphone to boast output.

As for the .1 -> .2 you just use a Y splitter ($3-5). The balance the output with a radio shack SPL meter. It's easy.
 
Z

zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
I have an entire MB Quart theater, and I have had it since 2003. I purchased all of them from Yawaonline. Yawa is an actual store, and located in Chino California. There is truly no comparison in build quality, or sound quality for the $.

http://www.yawaonline.com/speakers.html
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
there I fixed it for you :)



Are all pretty much tonally neutral speakers. The issues of timbre matching don't exist in much noticible sense. You could get the Ascends as L/R mains, and the NHT as a center. The reason I recommend the NHT center is because of its WTMW design. Ascend uses the 340-SE on its side as a center.. which is unideal. any horizontal MTM design will not sound "right" to anyone sitting off axis... by nature an MTM speaker is designed to control vertical dispersion, but a horizontal MTM will instead control horizontal dispersion and let vertical dispersion go wild. The 340-SE is a great Left/Right speaker, and not a bad choice if used as a vertical center, but I don't like it as a horizontal center. It'll work, but not as well as a WTMW

Of course, getting two more of that NHT center to use as L/R mains won't hurt either.

What you don't want is a pair of mains with timbre issues paired with a neutral center. In that case you need to pair your mains with their MATCHING center.
Bad advice mixing manufacturers for your left/right and center channels. Everyone knows this. Its better to go without a center and rely on a phantom center and save up to get one from the same line as your left /right mains then it is to mix one into the fray of a different manufacturer.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Okay, I'll edit my first post.

Price range is roughly $250-$500 for the center channel alone.


The intended use is going to be Music/Movies/Gaming


Edit - Also, my current L/R speakers are of better quality than my center/surrounds, so that is why I'm going with the new center first. But I'm eventually getting the whole set, so it really doesn't matter anyway.
In making deals one is far better off buying an entire package than to piece meal like you are attempting to do. I would save until I have the money for at least the mains and the centre channel before going out in negotiating for one channel at a time.

Before taking on people's recommnedations, you need to go out and audition as many speakers as you can to get an idea of what you like and dislike in a speaker. As GrantEEv sarcastically eluded to,

What I would do is to take a pad of paper with you, write down the make and
model of each speaker you audition and what you liked and disliked about the
speakers you were auditioning. Was the bass tight and deep or was it boomy and loose sounding? Were the mids life like or were they hollow or just too pronounced? Was the treble irritating and harsh or were they dark and not revealing or were they smooththat made you want to listen for more? How was the imaging?

Bring music with you that you are very familiar with and know quite well. To
make it easier to audition HT speaker systems, listen to the main speakers in 2
channel mode with music. Music is much harder to reproduce accurately then a movie soundtrack so if the speakers do well with music, then they will do well with HT. Speakers that do HT well may not do well with music. When auditioning the center channel of the same brand and series as the main speakers, pick a difficult source like an announcer that mumbles alot. If you can understand what the mumbling announcer is saying, then you have a good center channel.

I would go to speciality stores first and start auditioning speakers first
instead of going to the internet first. Once your likes are determined, you can
mention them here and fellow members can make internet brand recommendations based on your likes/dislikes. The specality stores are better setup acousticaly then the big box stores which will make auditioning a little easier. It will give you an idea of what you like in a speaker.

Keep track of what amp or receiver is powering the speakers you're auditioning. Try to get a receiver/amp that closest resembles what you have or want to get. It just reduces another variable when audtioning speakers.


One thing to keep note off. When auditioning speakers, make sure the volume
levels are matched between the diiferent speaker pairs because the louder
speaker pair will always sound better. Listen to levels that you think you
would listen to most of the time because thats how you are going to be using
them most of the time.
 
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