Looking for $200-$300 bookshelfs for 2.1 system

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seylermoon

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I am looking for the best bookshelf speakers in the $200-$300 range. $300 is a hard cutoff and I would prefer to limit myself to $250. I am new to the "audiophile" scene and have been doing quite a bit of research on subwoofers recently, as I already have a pair of Infinity Primus P153BKs that I managed to snag for $50 from a friend. Compared to the old Bose 301 Series IV that my roommate had hooked up previously, I can already notice a significant difference in clarity and detail. Although the Infinity speakers seem to be much more sensitive to listening position and speaker placement than the Bose speakers and the Bose speakers also seem to have reasonable LF extension, I am still planning on purchasing a sealed subwoofer for around $350-$500. Nevertheless, it seems like there are significantly better bookshelf pairs to be had for $200-$300 (I can easily relegate the Infinity pair to my livingroom).

Here is my setup so far:


  • Harmon/Kardan HK3490 receiver

  • Infinity Primus P153BKs

  • eD A3s-250 (assuming eD is still willing to fulfill my order after streamlining their product list.)

Uses:

I will use my system heavily for music, probably around 85%-90% of its use, while the rest would be for the occasional movie. I listen to everything, ranging from classic rock and hippie country, to metal and punk, to drum & bass and electro-house, to the occasional jazz or classical piece. I usually enjoy listening to music at a moderate level, but sometimes enjoy cranking up the volume and would prefer speakers that maintain their dynamics when pushed. While good looks could be nice, I am looking for best musical bang-for-the-buck, and so wouldn't care for one speaker over another based on looks.

Room requirements:

I have a small room, but will be moving to a larger apartment when I (hopefully) get in to graduate school for the fall. Currently, my room is about 11'x11', but the speakers may also be place in my open (no closing doors) living room, which is about 15'x21'.

What I've heard:

I've heard good things about the Behringer B2030Ps and can get them for $200 shipped (although I heard they used to be a steal around $110 some time back). I can also find the larger brother of my Infinitys, the P162, for about $160. The P163 seems to be overpriced compared to the Behringers... I have also looked at the SVS SBS-01 and -02; I have heard that the SBS-01 sounds a bit muddy compared to speakers in its price range, but have not heard the same things about the SBS-02. I can find the SBS-01 used for around $150 shipped and in decent used condition.

I have also looked at some options from PSB's Image series, as well as the Paradigm Atom v.6 for $280 shipped, or the v.5 (pretty used) for about $140 shipped. I have heard good things about all of these, but it seems like the PSBs are slightly out of my price range, unless someone knows where I can land a nice deal.

Conclusion:

I am content with my Primus P153s, but want a significant upgrade for under $300, closer to $250. I have no qualms with purchasing older model speakers if it saves significant money and has a tiny drop in performance. If someone has any experience or anecdotal evidence in being able to draw up a pretty ordered list in terms of performance, that'd be awesome!

Thanks!

seylermoon
 
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seylermoon

Enthusiast
I have seen these Ascend HTM-200s mentioned once or twice before, but I think I forgot about them because I haven't heard enough. Are they an upgrade compared to all of the speakers I listed? Of the speakers I listed, which ones come the closest? Also, how does the RC-10 compare to the HTM-200 as well. Is the V MINI better than the Infinity P153BK?

The reason I went with the eD sub is because of its "punchiness" and because of its compactness. I couldn't quite afford the Hsu VTK-2, the Rythmik FV12, or the Emotiva X-Ref 12, but still wanted something that could keep up with some of the electronic music I listen to. I understand that the $500 limit is what seems to be the "big step" when buying subwoofers, but as a student, I just can't afford the extra $150-$200... unless of course I decided to pair the Rythmik FV12 with the Infinity P153BK?
 
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j_garcia

j_garcia

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If you don't mind no having grilles, there's the Behringer 2030p which should be easy to find right at or under $200. I've seen them sell for as low as $140pr. on sale.

No problem recommending the Infinities, though I'd step up to the 163 as it will blend more easily with the sub and it has +2dB sensitivity, which will make them easier to drive.
 
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seylermoon

Enthusiast
Having no grills isn't a problem. The cheapest I can find the Behringer B2030Ps (pair) is $170 shipped, while I can't seem to find a pair of the P163s for under $300. On the other hand, I found a pair of the P162s for $160...
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
I don't think too much changed from the 162 to 163, and the praise for the Primus line has been there since before the 162s came out, so they should do just fine. If cost is the issue, go with the 152/153. Specs say they get to around 60Hz, which should pair OK with an 80Hz x-over.

The 2030p would be closer to the 152/153 with less bass, but will likely be a bit more accurate than the Infinities, though I'd say it might be hard to really tell. They're studio monitors so accuracy is what they were intended for. They are -3dB @ 75Hz though, so they'll like to be crossed higher, like 90-100Hz.
 
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avnetguy

avnetguy

Audioholic Chief
Might want to consider a set of Energy RC-10s, new for just under $300 at Vanns.
There are a number of reviews on the web and some here on those speakers.

Steve
 
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seylermoon

Enthusiast
Thanks everyone for the awesome input. I just want to restate that I already have a pair of Infinity P153BKs that I like very much, but do want a bit more composure at higher volumes. I've been using them without a sub and with their rather high -3dB drop, they can definitely use some bottom-end, but that won't be a problem once my eD A3s-250 arrives (assuming it does...). Here is the info I've amassed so far:

$300/pr:
Energy RC-10
Ascend HTM-200

$260/pr:
PSB Alpha B1

$160-170/pr:
Infinity P162
Behringer B2030P


I don't know much about the B&W speakers and the PSB Image speakers are a bit out of my price range... I suppose I'd be willing to wait for another couple of paychecks to come in if the Image B5s or B6s are worth the price jump from what I listed above.
 
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seylermoon

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bandit

Audioholic
I would suggest HSU's HB1-MK2. They normally go for $149/ea, and are occasionally on sale for $129/ea. I own these and really enjoy them. The satin black finsish on them looks like it belongs on a much more expensive speaker. If you tried them and didn't like them they can be returned for 30 days.
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
How do the PSB Image B5s compare to the all of the speakers listed? Do their 5 1/4" drivers do fine, or is it common knowledge that you generally need a 6 1/4" driver to be able to handle the LF transition and higher volumes?
In general, a well designed speaker with a bigger woofer will do
better. However, I own or have owned speakers, with a 5 1/4"
and 6 1/2" woofer, that has better bass control than the Bose
301. If I remember correctly, the Bose 301 and 201 have a spike
at 200hz that is toying with the frequency response. The 301 is
boomy and mushy sounding, and does not go real low. The B5
has nice bass for the woofer size, with a nice midrange and treble
and good imaging. I prefer the PSB over both the Infinity speakers,
and the Alpha - the B5 will overall perform better, than the Bose.
I will not tell you what to buy - you have a unique list. In the future
when you buy your sub, you can have a real nice system. Remember,
till you get your sub - when you crank your speaker up, turn it down
when you hear distortion.
 
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zieglj01

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seylermoon

Enthusiast
So I feel like I've narrowed-down my choices a bit...

It seems like the Behringers are good, but are probably not the upgrade I'm looking for from the P153s. The P162s seem like a good deal and would be easy to use together with my P153s in a 4.1 or 5.1 system in the future, but it seems like the upgrade may not be as significant as going with the Energys, PSBs or Ascends.

Here is what I can find:

Ascend HTM-200 - $320/pr shipped
Energy RC-10 - $300/pr shipped
PSB Image B5 - ~$350/pr shipped (b-stock)
HSU HB1-MK2 - $340/pr shipped

Although the above-$300 options are extremely enticing, the Energy RC-10s can be shipped to my door right within my budget in only a couple of days. How do the four above compare?
 
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mjcmt

Audioholic
So I feel like I've narrowed-down my choices a bit...

It seems like the Behringers are good, but are probably not the upgrade I'm looking for from the P153s. The P162s seem like a good deal and would be easy to use together with my P153s in a 4.1 or 5.1 system in the future, but it seems like the upgrade may not be as significant as going with the Energys, PSBs or Ascends.

Here is what I can find:

Ascend HTM-200 - $320/pr shipped
Energy RC-10 - $300/pr shipped
PSB Image B5 - ~$350/pr shipped (b-stock)
HSU HB1-MK2 - $340/pr shipped

Although the above-$300 options are extremely enticing, the Energy RC-10s can be shipped to my door right within my budget in only a couple of days. How do the four above compare?
You are at a place where you need to start listening to speakers at audio retailers. You can get only so much info from recommendations. If you can't audition, read the professional reviews as they have more experience with hearing a vast array of products, and then make an educated guess.

Buying used will ease the pain if you don't like what you end up with, as you could probably sell them for your purchase price, or buy from an on line retailer w/ a 30 day return.

Good luck!
 
STRONGBADF1

STRONGBADF1

Audioholic Spartan
I am looking for the best bookshelf speakers in the $200-$300 range. $300 is a hard cutoff and I would prefer to limit myself to $250. I am new to the "audiophile" scene and have been doing quite a bit of research on subwoofers recently, as I already have a pair of Infinity Primus P153BKs that I managed to snag for $50 from a friend. Compared to the old Bose 301 Series IV that my roommate had hooked up previously, I can already notice a significant difference in clarity and detail. Although the Infinity speakers seem to be much more sensitive to listening position and speaker placement than the Bose speakers and the Bose speakers also seem to have reasonable LF extension, I am still planning on purchasing a sealed subwoofer for around $350-$500. Nevertheless, it seems like there are significantly better bookshelf pairs to be had for $200-$300 (I can easily relegate the Infinity pair to my livingroom).

Here is my setup so far:


  • Harmon/Kardan HK3490 receiver

  • Infinity Primus P153BKs

  • eD A3s-250 (assuming eD is still willing to fulfill my order after streamlining their product list.)

Uses:

I will use my system heavily for music, probably around 85%-90% of its use, while the rest would be for the occasional movie. I listen to everything, ranging from classic rock and hippie country, to metal and punk, to drum & bass and electro-house, to the occasional jazz or classical piece. I usually enjoy listening to music at a moderate level, but sometimes enjoy cranking up the volume and would prefer speakers that maintain their dynamics when pushed. While good looks could be nice, I am looking for best musical bang-for-the-buck, and so wouldn't care for one speaker over another based on looks.

Room requirements:

I have a small room, but will be moving to a larger apartment when I (hopefully) get in to graduate school for the fall. Currently, my room is about 11'x11', but the speakers may also be place in my open (no closing doors) living room, which is about 15'x21'.

What I've heard:

I've heard good things about the Behringer B2030Ps and can get them for $200 shipped (although I heard they used to be a steal around $110 some time back). I can also find the larger brother of my Infinitys, the P162, for about $160. The P163 seems to be overpriced compared to the Behringers... I have also looked at the SVS SBS-01 and -02; I have heard that the SBS-01 sounds a bit muddy compared to speakers in its price range, but have not heard the same things about the SBS-02. I can find the SBS-01 used for around $150 shipped and in decent used condition.

I have also looked at some options from PSB's Image series, as well as the Paradigm Atom v.6 for $280 shipped, or the v.5 (pretty used) for about $140 shipped. I have heard good things about all of these, but it seems like the PSBs are slightly out of my price range, unless someone knows where I can land a nice deal.

Conclusion:

I am content with my Primus P153s, but want a significant upgrade for under $300, closer to $250. I have no qualms with purchasing older model speakers if it saves significant money and has a tiny drop in performance. If someone has any experience or anecdotal evidence in being able to draw up a pretty ordered list in terms of performance, that'd be awesome!

Thanks!

seylermoon
I would get a sub first and see if the 152's with the sub get the job done. I don't see where upgrading to the 162's will make a difference while using a sub. From memory the 152's have a flatter frequency response anyway. (check me on that...) A sub will take a lot of stress off those smallish speakers and the sound will get much cleaner without having to produce bass. My suggestion for a $500 sub in a small/medium sized room would be the Epik Legend.

I'm not sure you can get a true upgrade for under $300 unless you do not like the sound of your Infinities. I feel most speakers in that price range will be a down grade in quality or a lateral move that just sound more or less forward / laid back.

For speakers try calling Ascend Acoustics and see if they have any B-stock CBM-170 SE's. I have a pair and I couldn't find a mark on them. I think they sell b-stock for just under $300.

Please let us know what you decide and how it worked out for you. Good luck!:)
 
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seylermoon

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I would get a sub first and see if the 152's with the sub get the job done. I don't see where upgrading to the 162's will make a difference while using a sub. From memory the 152's have a flatter frequency response anyway. (check me on that...) A sub will take a lot of stress off those smallish speakers and the sound will get much cleaner without having to produce bass. My suggestion for a $500 sub in a small/medium sized room would be the Epik Legend.

I'm not sure you can get a true upgrade for under $300 unless you do not like the sound of your Infinities. I feel most speakers in that price range will be a down grade in quality or a lateral move that just sound more or less forward / laid back.

For speakers try calling Ascend Acoustics and see if they have any B-stock CBM-170 SE's. I have a pair and I couldn't find a mark on them. I think they sell b-stock for just under $300.

Please let us know what you decide and how it worked out for you. Good luck!:)
I think this makes a lot of sense. I recently spoke with customer service at eD and they said it may be a couple of months before they can fulfill my order... I think in this case, I might have to take a look at other sub options.

Since I'm in the market for a sealed sub due to space limitations and primarily music use, I am willing to take a look at subs in the $500-$600 range. So far, the only two I can find that seem to fit the bill are the Emotiva X-Ref 10 and the SVSound PS12-NSD. I haven't been able to find any discounts on them or used ones for a while now, so I may be out of luck there. The Hsu, Epik, and Rythmik models in this price range all are too big for my space requirements, but boy would I really love the Rythmik F12 :p.

I guess I might try to find a new subwoofer now and then keep these bookshelf options in mind?
 

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