Look Right?

[speakerman39]

Hello people-hope all is well. Be sure to have a great 2009! Now, back to business. I just today mounted my Ascend 170's up on my side walls. Here are a few pics. Did I do it correctly? Better yet, does it look okay? I must say, it was not as easy as I had anticipated. However, I am not Mr. Goodwrench either. As such, decided to get my older bro to give me a hand.

I noticed on the Ascend website that the stands for the 340's are 24" tall resulting in the tweeters being about 35" from the floor. Therefore, ear height of the listening position would be about 35". Once my bro arrived, I had him sit in my listening position and measured his ear height as well. Turns out, I measured about 37" which is very close to the 35" I calculated earlier. Keep in mind, however, that my bro is taller than I. In fact, I am just a tad over 5'5" tall.

Based upon my observations, I chose to put the 170's tweeters at a height of 59-60" or nearly 5'. With my 170's tilted down a bit and pointed to the center of the seating position, the tweeters are a bit under 5'. Anyways, just want some feedback from you guys. All input will be appreciated. Thanks!

Cheers,

Phil

 

[dronezero]

Looks good to me. You can try playing around with the aiming as well. I found I prefer my surrounds not to be pointing directly at the seating position. So in your case I would probably point them straight across at each other. Your preference may be different though.

 

[speakerman39]

Looks good to me. You can try playing around with the aiming as well. I found I prefer my surrounds not to be pointing directly at the seating position. So in your case I would probably point them straight across at each other. Your preference may be different though.

Thanks drone. In the past, I have always had my rears facing each other. This time, I thought why not do it differently. Before it is all said and done, I may do just that. Hope to get more done by next weekend. Keep in mind, that I have a 5.2 set-up as there is no room for a 7.2. Appreciate you kind words.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[jamie2112]

Looks great Phil. Nice job. The system continues to grow.......

 

[AVRat]

Looks good Phil. I too would try both those positionings to see which sounds best. HAPPY HOLIDAYS

 

[speakerman39]

Looks great Phil. Nice job. The system continues to grow.......

Thanks Jamie. Was hoping you would respond. Yeah, my set-up continues to grow which translates into more work. I am getting there slowly but surely. Good to hear from you my friend!

Cheers,

Phil

 

[jamie2112]

Sweet Phil I love it when the system grows.....it really looks good buddy.... Hope you had a great holiday Phil.


Jamie

 

[speakerman39]

Looks good Phil. I too would try both those positionings to see which sounds best. HAPPY HOLIDAYS

Thanks a bunch for your input. I do plan to try different positions as in the way they are now vs. the 170's facing each other. Most of the time, I have had my rears facing each other. Oh, I usually have them placed another foot or so higher as well. Appreciate your kind words. Happy holidays to you and your family as well.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[speakerman39]

Sweet Phil I love it when the system grows.....it really looks good buddy.... Hope you had a great holiday Phil.


Jamie

Thanks once again Jamie. Happy Holidays to you and the family as well. May 2009 be a very prosperous time for you.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[jamie2112]

Thanks once again Jamie. Happy Holidays to you and the family as well. May 2009 be a very prosperous time for you.

Cheers,

Phil

God I hope this year is a money year.....

 

[speakerman39]

God I hope this year is a money year.....

Me too my friend! Maybe an Ultra 13 year for me. Only time will tell.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[jostenmeat]

You already have dual decent subs in a modest room. I think you need boatloads of bass traps. Of course, that display upgrade I mentioned as well, heh.

 

[speakerman39]

You already have dual decent subs in a modest room. I think you need boatloads of bass traps. Of course, that display upgrade I mentioned as well, heh.

Hi Jost, hope all is well. Not sure why you don't care for my 42" LG, but I like it. When watching an HD DVD or BR, the picture is amazing! My cable even looks good on it. Some channels, look very good. Besides, it will not be paid off for a while yet. In other words, no display change for a good while for me.

You are right in that I will eventually have to treat my room with panels/traps. In due time, my hope is to address that as well. I also plan to totally re-do my cabling. My 170's are close to being paid off. Then, once they are I plan on selling my Pluses and going with some sort of a sub upgrade.

With that being said, everything will change if my daughter decides to move in. Thus, I will have to give up my dedicated ht room and move it all into my living-room. But there, I would have the room for a 7.2 set-up so I guess it would not be the end of the world. So Jost, how do my 170's look on my side-walls?

Cheers,

Phil

 

[jostenmeat]

Heya Phil, didn't know I was responded to. Hands in too many jars. I meant no disrespect to your display. I just think, that if you were really serious about that SVS, the money might be better spent elsewhere, JMO. I mean dual Outlaws would seem to be plenty already in that room?

Just was offering my opinion on the best places to spend. LG plasmas are decent, but I'd venture to guess your audio way outclasses your display at this point in time, outside of the lack of traps. But maybe it doesn't!

How far do you sit from the display?

Nice job mounting the 170s? Many people would be happy to have those as their mains, let alone surrounds...

I'm glad you're enjoying the hidef formats. There's no way I can watch DVD anymore in my setup. Haven't since last year. And in a few days, I'll be saying "two years ago"...

 

[speakerman39]

Heya Phil, didn't know I was responded to. Hands in too many jars. I meant no disrespect to your display. I just think, that if you were really serious about that SVS, the money might be better spent elsewhere, JMO. I mean dual Outlaws would seem to be plenty already in that room?

Just was offering my opinion on the best places to spend. LG plasmas are decent, but I'd venture to guess your audio way outclasses your display at this point in time, outside of the lack of traps. But maybe it doesn't!

How far do you sit from the display?

Nice job mounting the 170s? Many people would be happy to have those as their mains, let alone surrounds...

I'm glad you're enjoying the hidef formats. There's no way I can watch DVD anymore in my setup. Haven't since last year. And in a few days, I'll be saying "two years ago"...

Hi Jost and thanks for your reply. My older bro helped me mount the 170's. Appreciate your kind words on that one. My 42" LG is the best tv I have owned to date. Well, it will be paid off sometime in the near future. My seating position is about 6-7' from my LCD.

My dual Pluses are plenty for my small ht room. I do plan on treating my room w/some acoustic panels and some bass traps in the very near future. I just have been wanting an Ultra 13 for a long while now. I also have been looking into the DIY options out there. Lets just say that the Kappa Perfect design by Chris and Andrew has gotten my attention thanks to Jamie. Have any suggestions on what kinds or how many treatments are needed in my ht room? Never hurts to ask eh?

Cheers,

Phil

 

[Alex2507]

There's no way I can watch DVD anymore in my setup.

What a snob.
I look forward to that level of elitism.

The mounting looks just peachy. Somewhere along the line I read to aim the surrounds about 1' in front of the listening position, slightly ahead of the ear. I have no idea where I read that but it's what I do and I'm not convinced that I could hear the difference if they were aimed at each other.

 

[speakerman39]

What a snob.
I look forward to that level of elitism.

The mounting looks just peachy. Somewhere along the line I read to aim the surrounds about 1' in front of the listening position, slightly ahead of the ear. I have no idea where I read that but it's what I do and I'm not convinced that I could hear the difference if they were aimed at each other.

Hey Alex, good to hear from you! Thanks for your kind words regarding the mounting. I plan to do some experimenting with respect to optimal positioning of my 170's. I will know soon enough I suppose. Like you, I am not really sure if it will really make any significant difference no matter how the 170's are positioned. Appreciate your input my friend. Have a great 2009!

Cheers,

Phil

 

[jostenmeat]

Hi Jost and thanks for your reply. My older bro helped me mount the 170's. Appreciate your kind words on that one. My 42" LG is the best tv I have owned to date. Well, it will be paid off sometime in the near future. My seating position is about 6-7' from my LCD.

THX's recommendation of 36 degrees (and that's at 16:9 viewing, let alone smaller ARs), at 6.7 ft viewing distance, would mean a 60" display. FWIW. I prefer an even more immersive angle, however I am not watching TV on it, and most watching is with smaller AR's. If your room was mine, I would be aiming for a 60". Perhaps a 58" Pana. I know it sounds crazy to a lot of folks, but it is what it is. A couple of the more involved BD PQ reviewers at AVS do exactly that: 60" Kuro from 6 ft.

My dual Pluses are plenty for my small ht room.

Then why blow your hard earned dough on a new sub, when much more impactful improvements could be found elsewhere?

I do plan on treating my room w/some acoustic panels and some bass traps in the very near future. I just have been wanting an Ultra 13 for a long while now. I also have been looking into the DIY options out there. Lets just say that the Kappa Perfect design by Chris and Andrew has gotten my attention thanks to Jamie. Have any suggestions on what kinds or how many treatments are needed in my ht room? Never hurts to ask eh?

While you will get more rumble 'n shake with a bigger and stronger sub, I'd DEFINITELY vote to spend on treatments first. Broadband bass traps everywhere would be my instinct. It'll also help out your midbass, and things should be clearer, smoother, more natural. I personally find that higher volumes can be reached because that threshold of bad SQ due to room's influence is not reached 'til much later (well, treatments do also just deaden a room some as well). Think boundaries, corners, but in a room that small (guessing, I don't know the dimensions) it could really use a bunch. The smaller the room, the greater the need for bass traps. I would contact Mr. Pape of GIK and Mr. Winer of Real Traps to get started perhaps. Post in the Room Acoustics subforum, and eventually some experts should hopefully chime in. Oh yeah, seeing how close your mains are to the sidewalls, I know that I would put at least one beefy panel at their first sidewall reflection.

What a snob.
I look forward to that level of elitism.

Try a 42 deg viewing angle, and you won't be liking DVD too much either, at least if you have BD on hand. Or, bring a DVD and DVD player to your local theater, and see if they will put it on for you.

The mounting looks just peachy. Somewhere along the line I read to aim the surrounds about 1' in front of the listening position, slightly ahead of the ear. I have no idea where I read that but it's what I do and I'm not convinced that I could hear the difference if they were aimed at each other.

Interesting. Hm. Anyhoo, the recommended angle to listener for 5.1 side surrounds is 110-150 degrees. The photo looks pretty good to me. Just don't run em too hot Phil. What did Audyssey get you for the levels there?

 

[speakerman39]

THX's recommendation of 36 degrees (and that's at 16:9 viewing, let alone smaller ARs), at 6.7 ft viewing distance, would mean a 60" display. FWIW. I prefer an even more immersive angle, however I am not watching TV on it, and most watching is with smaller AR's. If your room was mine, I would be aiming for a 60". Perhaps a 58" Pana. I know it sounds crazy to a lot of folks, but it is what it is. A couple of the more involved BD PQ reviewers at AVS do exactly that: 60" Kuro from 6 ft.



Then why blow your hard earned dough on a new sub, when much more impactful improvements could be found elsewhere?



While you will get more rumble 'n shake with a bigger and stronger sub, I'd DEFINITELY vote to spend on treatments first. Broadband bass traps everywhere would be my instinct. It'll also help out your midbass, and things should be clearer, smoother, more natural. I personally find that higher volumes can be reached because that threshold of bad SQ due to room's influence is not reached 'til much later (well, treatments do also just deaden a room some as well). Think boundaries, corners, but in a room that small (guessing, I don't know the dimensions) it could really use a bunch. The smaller the room, the greater the need for bass traps. I would contact Mr. Pape of GIK and Mr. Winer of Real Traps to get started perhaps. Post in the Room Acoustics subforum, and eventually some experts should hopefully chime in. Oh yeah, seeing how close your mains are to the sidewalls, I know that I would put at least one beefy panel at their first sidewall reflection.



Try a 42 deg viewing angle, and you won't be liking DVD too much either, at least if you have BD on hand. Or, bring a DVD and DVD player to your local theater, and see if they will put it on for you.



Interesting. Hm. Anyhoo, the recommended angle to listener for 5.1 side surrounds is 110-150 degrees. The photo looks pretty good to me. Just don't run em too hot Phil. What did Audyssey get you for the levels there?

Thanks once again Jost. You do point out some things that has me thinking. This, of course, could be a scary thing..........LOL!!!!!! To be honest, I have not ran the speaker-wire just yet. There just is not enough time in a day for me right now. In other words, things are just hectic and my back is flaring up. I will get back to you once I re-run Audyssey my friend. Appreciate all of your input.

Cheers,

Phil