Let's Try This Again: How Can I Be Sure the 605 is Passing 1080p Straight Through?

[obscbyclouds]

The only way to really know is to try hooking the player up to the display directly and doing a simple A/B comparison....

 

[ClinicaTerra]

The only way to really know is to try hooking the player up to the display directly and doing a simple A/B comparison....

In the meantime, can you at least tell me if I'm connected correctly and answer some inquiries based on this: ?

A couple more things before I connect the player direct to the display...

--Isn't the 605 supposed to pass HDMI video as is to a display connected to its HDMI out port? Is there any "converting" of any kind taking place if going HDMI IN, HDMI OUT?

--Is this an "ideal" way to configure the system? That is -- HDMI carrying video and audio over one cable from the source deck? I want to be able to transfer 1080p video from the Blu-rays AND take advantage of the high res codecs, so don't I need HDMI for both?

I know my Panasonic can decode Dolby TrueHD and send that as multichannel PCM either over HDMI or via the multichannel analog outs, plus it can send uncompressed PCM over the HDMI/analog outs -- but I am looking to utilize the 605's internal TrueHD/Master Audio decoders down the road with a BD player which bitstreams these signals, so wouldn't I need HDMI to do that? Should I be separating the audio and video instead of letting it run over one HDMI cable?

--What is the deal with the HDMI MONITOR setting on this receiver? I can't get a straight answer on it -- some have told me it's just for seeing the onscreen menu over HDMI, while some suggest that by leaving it OFF, HDMI passes the way it should -- but I don't know what the best setting is for me. Right now, I have it set to YES so I can see the onscreen display for setup menu, but am I somehow "losing" resolution from the Blu-ray player doing this? Is 1080p video actually passing over HDMI and through the receiver with the MONITOR set to YES? Again...the way I have everything set up, I AM seeing video from the player, going through the Onkyo, and my TV's onscreen display IS reading "1080p" when I press the incoming resolution button...

Is everything correct then?

 

[MDS]

Again...the way I have everything set up, I AM seeing video from the player, going through the Onkyo, and my TV's onscreen display IS reading "1080p" when I press the incoming resolution button...

Is everything correct then?[/i]

Once again, YES. I don't understand what you are looking for. Everything is correct, you see the video, hear the audio, and yet still keep asking if it is correct.

 

[ClinicaTerra]

Once again, YES. I don't understand what you are looking for. Everything is correct, you see the video, hear the audio, and yet still keep asking if it is correct.

...because there are some suggesting that perhaps the audio and video should be run separate...

Plus, even though I'm HEARING the audio and SEEING the video, I'm not sure if the connection through the receiver is "degrading" the high def image somehow...

 

[MDS]

...because there are some suggesting that perhaps the audio and video should be run separate...

They've suggested you try it so that you can see if you notice any difference. After dozens of replies it appears that you haven't bothered to try the separate connections (which likely will NOT make a difference). As mikec said, we can theorize all day or you can take some of the suggestions and try to help yourself...but you seem unwilling to do so.

 

[bandphan]

 

[markw]

Dude, get a grip. It ain't that hard.

...because there are some suggesting that perhaps the audio and video should be run separate...

Plus, even though I'm HEARING the audio and SEEING the video, I'm not sure if the connection through the receiver is "degrading" the high def image somehow...

you've been told how to answer your questions but seem to refuse to do so.

Do that A/B test between direct and through the receiver. If you didn't, then go do it NOW!

Do you see a difference between a direct connection and one through the receiver?

If so, then go with which one "looks" better to you.

If you can't see any difference, then fugeddaboudit.

So, go see for yourself and live with what your OWN eyes and ears tell you.

As you can see, patience is wearing thin already. It almost seems that you're abusing their kindness and willingness to help.

 

[Rickster71]

connect your player directly to the TV.*

call us in the morning.

That would be my thought as well. I think you should try Mikes suggestion first before you do anything else.

I used own a 605. I can tell you from experience that the video processor in the unit is pretty poor. That's one of the reasons the unit is so inexpensive. I would suggest you go around its video processor whenever you can. I agree with Mike C. Just hook the video connection directly to the TV and send just the audio to the receiver.

The 605 is garbage in, garbage out. If you aren't satisfied and notice a video difference between connecting directly to the TV, then disable the monitor out (which kills all analogue upconversion to HDMI and reroutes it to component

actually, i asked the OP to connect directly to his TV just to check if the receiver really is messing with his pic. so the next step would depend on those results

hence: "call us in the morning"

i'm thinking the OP's display really doesn't show HD's advantages.

i suggested you connect the player directly to the display so we can eliminate (or not) the receiver as the cause of the "degradation" of picture quality.

if the picture improves, do the setting Clint suggested on the receiver.

if the picture doesn't improve, it might be the display or the player.

PLEASE connect your player directly to the display, and come back and tell us the result.

we can theorize what's wrong for a hundred years and get nowhere, or you can move this forward and physically try stuff.

you don't have to move your display 1 inch.

remove the HDMI from the receiver output, connect that to the player output.

also, pls take pics of your setup so we can help you troubleshoot - a pic of your audio rack and where your display is positioned.

how far are you sitting from the display?

Anyway, that isn't the problem here. To be honest, I don't think the 605 should really be altering the signal, it's simply passing the information on to the display. The only way to know is to connect the BR player directly to the display as mike recommended. If your still not happy with the picture, we've eliminated the reciever as a cause. You really need to try this and report back your results.

The only way to really know is to try hooking the player up to the display directly and doing a simple A/B comparison....

They've suggested you try it so that you can see if you notice any difference. After dozens of replies it appears that you haven't bothered to try the separate connections (which likely will NOT make a difference). As mikec said, we can theorize all day or you can take some of the suggestions and try to help yourself...but you seem unwilling to do so.

you've been told how to answer your questions but seem to refuse to do so.

Do that A/B test between direct and through the receiver. If you didn't, then go do it NOW!

Do you see a difference between a direct connection and one through the receiver?

If so, then go with which one "looks" better to you.

If you can't see any difference, then fugeddaboudit.

So, go see for yourself and live with what your OWN eyes and ears tell you.

As you can see, patience is wearing thin already. It almost seems that you're abusing their kindness and willingness to help.

If I'm to read between the lines here, are you somehow suggesting the OP "connect the player directly to the TV?"

 

[markw]

If I'm to read between the lines here, are you somehow suggesting the OP "connect the player directly to the TV?"

Gee, ya think?

 

[Midcow2]

Rtm

Thank you, Clouds...

Can you give me some more insights as to what you are referring to with the 605's HDMI MONITOR settings? Are you saying that since I have something connected to the HDMI OUT of the receiver, this must be set to YES so the receiver knows to pass the video out? Do I have this right? I know you were talking about YOUR model Onkyo, but would this apply to my 605 as well?

You also mention "you don't THINK" the 605 is altering the signal in any way -- does that mean it is actually possible that I don't have this configured properly for HDMI IN/HDMI OUT?

see page 24 of your manual
http://63.148.251.135/redirect_service.cfm?type=own_manuals&file=TXSR605_En_web_.pdf

When you set HDMI=Yes then your receiver upconverts : composite, S-video, and component to HDMI out. HDMI IN passes through to HDMI out. When set to HMDI monitor=NO ( page 25) then your receiver doesn't upconvert the composite, S-video and component to HDMI. Read the manual!

If you think your AVR is degrading the video, why not just connect directly as many ,many previous posters have suggested and see if the picture is better. If it is then your Onkyo 605 is defective! Simple as that!

 

[AVRat]

Just to clarify ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS:

1. YES, YOU HAVE THINGS CONNECTED PROPERLY!
2. THE HDMI MONITOR SETTING NEEDS TO BE SET TO “YES” TO GET ANY FEED TO THE TV!
3. THERE IS NO VIDEO PROCESSING BEING DONE BY THE 605 OTHER THAN TRANSCODING WHICH IN YOUR CASE DOESN’T APPLY!

 

[Midcow2]

According to the Onkyo 605 manual number 2 is incorrect!

Just to clarify ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS:

1. YES, YOU HAVE THINGS CONNECTED PROPERLY!
2. THE HDMI MONITOR SETTING NEEDS TO BE SET TO “YES” TO GET ANY FEED TO THE TV!
3. THERE IS NO VIDEO PROCESSING BEING DONE BY THE 605 OTHER THAN TRANSCODING WHICH IN YOUR CASE DOESN’T APPLY!

According to the Onkyo 605 manual, page 24, your no. 2 answer is incorrect. It will still pass HDMI straight through but it will not up convert other sources composite, s-video, component.

From the Onkyo manual:
■ HDMI Monitor Setting Set to Yes
With the HDMI Monitor setting set to Yes (see
page 47), video input signals flow through the
AV receiver/AV amplifier as shown, with composite
video, S-Video, and component video
sources all being upconverted for the HDMI output.
Use this setting if you connect the AV
receiver/AV amplifier’s HDMI OUT to your TV.
The composite video, S-Video, and component
video outputs pass through their respective input
signals as they are.

■ HDMI Monitor Setting Set to No
With the HDMI Monitor setting set to No (see
page 47), video input signals flow through the
AV receiver/AV amplifier as shown, with composite
video and S-Video sources being upconverted
for the component video output. Use this
setting if you connect the AV receiver/AV amplifier’s
COMPONENT VIDEO OUT to your TV.
Composite video is upconverted to S-Video and
S-Video is downconverted to composite video.
Note that these conversions only apply to the
MONITOR OUT V and S outputs, not the
VCR/DVR OUT V and S outputs.
The composite video, S-Video, component
video, and HDMI outputs pass through their
respective input signals as they are.


So if you are correct , then the manual is wrong!

 

[markw]

Dunno about that....

Let's look at that manual, one step at a time.

The manual says: "HDMI Monitor Setting Set to Yes
With the HDMI Monitor setting set to Yes (see page 47), video input signals flow through the AV receiver/AV amplifier as shown, with composite video, S-Video, and component video sources all being upconverted for the HDMI output"

OK, what I read here is that the three lower inputs will be upconverted to HDMI when using the HDMI output.

Now, back to the "set to "YES" part...

The manual goes on: "Use this setting if you connect the AV receiver/AV amplifier’s HDMI OUT to your TV.

Well, that's simple enough.

The manual then goes on to explain what happens at the other (non-HDMI) outputs.

The manual continues: "The composite video, S-Video, and component video outputs pass through their respective input signals as they are.

These outputs simply pass through what they received. But, since we're not using the composite video, S-Video, and component video outputs, this is moot. We're using the HDMI output, which was described above.

I don't think we need to be concerned with the "set to NO" part, do you?

 

[Midcow2]

What you said is correct , but

Let's look at that manual, one step at a time.

OK, what I read here is that the three lower inputs will be upconverted to HDMI when using the HDMI output.

Now, back to the "set to "YES" part...

Well, that's simple enough.

The manual then goes on to explain what happens at the other (non-HDMI) outputs.

These outputs simply pass through what they received. But, since we're not using the composite video, S-Video, and component video outputs, this is moot. We're using the HDMI output, which was described above.

I don't think we need to be concerned with the "set to NO" part, do you?

If you are using HDMI in and HDMI out , then the HDMI monitor setting doesn't matter! That was my point, It does not need to be set to HMDI=Yes to obtain HDMI output

You can set HDMI monitor=Yes or HDMI monitor=No and as long as you are HDMI in and HDMI out it will work. AVRat's comment that HDMI monitor must be YES is incorrect.

Just to clarify ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS:

1. YES, YOU HAVE THINGS CONNECTED PROPERLY!
2. THE HDMI MONITOR SETTING NEEDS TO BE SET TO “YES” TO GET ANY FEED TO THE TV!
3. THERE IS NO VIDEO PROCESSING BEING DONE BY THE 605 OTHER THAN TRANSCODING WHICH IN YOUR CASE DOESN’T APPLY!

 

[markw]

Wanna play semantics, eh?

You can skate by on a technicality, but AVrat was NOT incorrect. He simply gave the better, more correct answer. And, in re-reading his answer, he was technically correct. Note the the "ANY" and how it was used.

By using his method ANY video input from ANY source will display on the monitor. Even the manual sides with him when it states : "Use this setting if you connect the AV receiver/AV amplifier’s HDMI OUT to your TV."

Your method limits him to only HDMI sources.

Heck, you can use a penny to balance a phono cartridge but that doesn't make it the preferred method, does it?

It's one thing to answer one question, but it's still more to give a complete, more useful, answer.

Remember, the goal here is to help and with this OP. the simpler the better, and AVrat wins hands down. There's no need to obfuscate the issue by playing word games. Heck, the OP can't even keep up with the simple stuff, and now you want to start this crap just to show that you found a picayune sentence in the manual that you think justifies calling AVrat out?

Face it, while yours might work in one case, he gave the better answer because it works in all cases.

But, if you want to claim victory, have at it.

Now, what say we concentrate more on helping the posters solve their problems rather than trying to dump on our brothers, shall we?

 

[ClinicaTerra]

which likely will NOT make a difference

...which is precisely what I have been suspecting and thus why I don't want to implement a giant inconvenience at the moment of getting to the rear of the setup because it's bordering on impossible...

As mikec said, we can theorize all day or you can take some of the suggestions and try to help yourself...but you seem unwilling to do so.

Okay...this is completely untrue (the last portion of your statement) so I'm not going to continue defending the position, and I am not going to bother replying to the other members like Mark who insist that I am wearing everyone's patience and that I am completely and utterly unthankful for the help I have been getting -- that is totally, wholeheartedly and absolutely untrue by any means, whether it's believed or not.

I suppose I will jump down now to the last reply which seems to have gotten a tad bit closer to what I am trying to investigate.

 

[ClinicaTerra]

The manual does not make things as clear as you claim...

When you set HDMI=Yes then your receiver upconverts : composite, S-video, and component to HDMI out. HDMI IN passes through to HDMI out. When set to HMDI monitor=NO ( page 25) then your receiver doesn't upconvert the composite, S-video and component to HDMI. Read the manual!

So, with HDMI IN-OUT, what role does the MONITOR play?

If you think your AVR is degrading the video, why not just connect directly as many ,many previous posters have suggested and see if the picture is better. If it is then your Onkyo 605 is defective! Simple as that!

No, it's not that simple: why is it not possible that the unit may not be "defective" if it's degrading the signal somehow, just that perhaps the circuitry inside this receiver sucks as someone else said, and the HDMI repeaters are NOT passing the signal out untouched? Couldn't this be possible? I just read a feature length article about new receivers in Home Theater in which they evaluated receivers' abilities to "clip" brighter than white and blacker than black signals, etc. even over HDMI sources...they claimed it's not always reality that you think HDMI should transmit HDMI untouched...

 

[ClinicaTerra]

Just to clarify ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS:

1. YES, YOU HAVE THINGS CONNECTED PROPERLY!
2. THE HDMI MONITOR SETTING NEEDS TO BE SET TO “YES” TO GET ANY FEED TO THE TV!
3. THERE IS NO VIDEO PROCESSING BEING DONE BY THE 605 OTHER THAN TRANSCODING WHICH IN YOUR CASE DOESN’T APPLY!

Thank You, Rat...

I suppose this is what I wanted to know, but there are still others who are arguing that the "video processing inside the 605 is terrible and video should be sent direct to the display; hence, why the receiver is priced so cheap..." I didn't think this had anything to do with anything, especially since I'm not really using the receiver's "video processing" if I'm going HDMI IN/HDMI OUT, but...

 

[ClinicaTerra]

Remember, the goal here is to help and with this OP. the simpler the better

Mark,

This statement is completely and utterly unnecessary; I don't need that simple of a breakdown -- I am knowledgeable in a bit more technical aspects of HT than that.

Heck, the OP can't even keep up with the simple stuff

Again...come on, man...this just isn't cool...I am keeping up but it's difficult with the constant opinion shifting and comments like "The video processing in the 605 sucks and that's why the receiver is so cheap..." leading me to believe that I should now upgrade to a $5000 receiver just to pass HDMI video through...

 

[mike c]

humor me

why I don't want to implement a giant inconvenience at the moment of getting to the rear of the setup because it's bordering on impossible...

please tell us why it is a GIANT inconvenience:

1) you have an open rack
2) i told you that you didn't need to go to the rear of the display because all you need to do is move the HDMI cable from the receiver to the player.

i was asking for pics of your setup, and you completely ignored that request. the reason i was asking for pics is that i wanted proof of your genuineness and you're not just yanking these people's chains.