BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
1920x1080 in a 45 inch display, when compared to say a 50" display - you must be closer than SEVEN FEET to the screen to see a difference in picture quality. The only advantage may be if you are sending a computer source to the display, but really, the Sharp does not actually look better than a good 42 or 50 inch plasma. Go into a store and see for yourself.

Now, that's not to say I don't like LCD a LOT - it's just to pricey right now, though a trip through Best Buy tonite had the Westinghouse 30" LCD, which looks good when properly calibrated, for only $1500.00 which is not a bad price at all...

I think in the next few months the prices between LCD and plasma will begin to level off as LCD large screen production increases... But, we will also see a fall off in overall quality as manufacturers target the masses with cheaper products that have lower quality processors in them vs. high quality good processed LCD screens like the Sharp.

For roughly the same quality though, LCD is still a significant amount more expensive. I don't think it isn't still a good thing to look at, but I think it is all overpriced anyway.
 
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docferdie

Audioholic
Speaking of really cheap LCD TVs, have any of you guys seen the Syntax Olevia 27 inch and 30 inch HDTVs they have at microcenter. I can't believe these were sold on Black Friday for around 700-800, and 900-1100 respectively.
Claimed specs of 12ms response, 700:1 contrast, working DVI. I almost got the 30 inch for use as a computer monitor but I was overruled--low WAF.
 
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FLAGRANT

Audiophyte
Lcd tv picture

I recently bought a 42" samsung lcd tv and I have a question bout it..
at times there what looks like lil squares all over the picture and i'm having trouble figuring out why? Is it a weak signal? I f anyone has any info it would be helpful....
 
Buckeyefan 1

Buckeyefan 1

Audioholic Ninja
FLAGRANT said:
I recently bought a 42" samsung lcd tv and I have a question bout it..
at times there what looks like lil squares all over the picture and i'm having trouble figuring out why? Is it a weak signal? I f anyone has any info it would be helpful....
Do these squares occur during HD or digital cable feeds, and not dvd's or standard cable? If so, it's a weak signal. It probably happens more on some channels than others. Do you have satellite or cable (or OTA)?
 
Hi Ho

Hi Ho

Audioholic Samurai
I wish more stores would feed better signals to their displays. I see so many people in Best Buy saying things like "Wow that looks terrible... I'll keep my standard definition CRT...". Well, standard definition TV certainly looks best on a standard definition TV but true HD blows it away.

LCD can look very nice when fed the proper signal. The most stunning example of this that I have seen lately is HD-DVD. I saw it playing on a Westinghouse 1080p display and I must say that I have NEVER seen LCD, or any HD technology for that matter, look so good.

If there's one display technology that has never wowed me, it's plasma. I don't know what it is about it but I really don't like plasma displays. To start, they flicker like crazy! They're worse than a CRT running at 60hz. They have good color and decent blacks but I would rather have an LCD, DLP, or CRT.

I am looking forward to OLED and I hope it really takes off. The tiny 1-1/4" OLED screen on my Zen MicroPhoto looks better than any LCD I've seen, regardless of size.

Then there's SED, which I have not seen in person. If it halfway lives up to the hype, it would blow away LCD and DLP. That is, if they ever get it to market...
 
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Nick250

Audioholic Samurai
My Sony plasma looks great to me, very pleased with the picture. I would not change it for an LCD. YMMV.

Nick
 
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Cosmo Kramer

Enthusiast
BMXTRIX said:
A good Panasonic 42 inch 1365x768 plasma will run about $4,500.00 So, the equivalent LCD technology, right now, is considerably more expensive at the same size - or near the same size - as plasma technology.
July 2- Bestbuy.com...Panasonic 42" Plasma...1024 x 768 pixel resolution...10,000:1 contrast ratio...2 HDMI Inputs...3 S-Video/Composite Inputs...2 Component Inputs...is this a "good" plasma? The Price- $2,499.99

July 2- Bestbuy.com...Sony 40" LCD Flat Panel...1366 x 768 pixel resolution...contrast not available...1 HDMI Input...1 S-Video Input...3 Composite/Component Inputs...Media Card Input...this is a "good" LCD Flat Panel...The Price- $2,999.99

So while you are probably right in that btwn similar plasmas and LCD's, the LCD most likely will be more expensive, it isn't that big of a difference that you want us to believe. However, before you rush to say that a 42" Panasonic Plasma will cost you $4500, please do your research.
 
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Cosmo Kramer

Enthusiast
In my opinion- I don't think plasma or LCD is better than the other. It has been hit on many times so far in this thread- there are balances to every kind of technology. Personally, I own a 37" Philips LCD and I love it because I play a lot of Xbox 360. However, my buddy has a 50" Pioneer plasma, I would rather watch a sports game in HD on his TV rather than on mine.
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
Well, no OLED!:p So much for my crystal ball.:eek: I'd have to say LCDs have come quite a ways in the couple years since this thread started. I still haven't seen one I could live with as my only TV, but I'd love to have one in my 2nd system for gaming (an area where they seem to excel).

I was at WalMart tonite and saw they were clearing out their Vizio LCDs at incredible prices: $1000 for a 37" and only $500 for the 32"!:eek: I've seen them in several setups and they always look pretty decent. Although I don't need one, at that price I'm sorely tempted to pick one up.
 
hemiram

hemiram

Full Audioholic
Rob Babcock said:
For me the need to avoid gaming is the deal-breaker.

That was just one of the reasons I went LCD. My friend's Panasonic plasma has a logo badly burned into the lower right corner, and there's a health or ammo counter from a FPS game his kids ran one weekend right after they bought it. And across the bottom of the screen is a ghostly stock ticker or news crawler thing. Does it do blacks better than my new 37" Sharp? Yes, slightly. Do I care? Nope. Between the burn in, heat, and buzzing, I'm very happy to pass on Plasma.
 
J

JAD2

I listen with my mouth open...
Hi Ho said:
I wish more stores would feed better signals to their displays. I see so many people in Best Buy saying things like "Wow that looks terrible... I'll keep my standard definition CRT...". Well, standard definition TV certainly looks best on a standard definition TV but true HD blows it away.

NOW THATS AGAINST THE NORMS.
Usually these stores will take the high end TV's, most costly and fed them very clear trailers through HDMI to get people to buy those particular sets. Then mid costing ones get fed near HD quality feeds and low ends get whatever.
The thing I've heard time and time again is my HDTV looks like sh*t. Thats because they never got to see what standard SD broadcasts are like, only near HD stuff.
Then you get the which one is better crap, when in reality at HD or upconverted level they could be all equal. The 3 main biggies in LCD's all begining with the letter S arent any better once calibrated then the lessor know brands, its just the factory defaults are set to saturate colors, colors are also set higher etc the same with any other newer HDTV made. I've seen and ISF tech calibrate and ILO TV that put a Sony to shame that was the same size, but $1000+ more. Thats one thing you might want to remember when buying such a TV. The cost savings at the beginning coupled with the cost of a ISF tech may be much cheaper still for a higher level of quality than that $1000+ moreTV!!

I got 2 LCD's and wouldnt go back nor go to a Plasma or Projection of any kind. Yeah SD isnt great, but each month signals are getting better. Plasma has too many daylight issues and suppose to have gotten out the burn in problems, but eat power up 2-3 times and more over a LCD of the same size. I'm not gonna change bulbs every few thousand hours and a CRT, well its all most dead so no point!!!
 
hemiram

hemiram

Full Audioholic
When I really started looking, I couldn't believe the crappy signals they had going to so many of the otherwise decent looking TVs. One place had the local cable piped in, but was using composite to send to a distrubution amp, and then using component from that to all the TV's. It took me an hour to get the owner of the place to swap the cables so it would have component all the way, and it made a huge difference, of course. Even he admitted it, after telling me several times it wouldn't. Other places were almost as bad, some had no distibution amps and the signal was too weak, etc.

Most places wouldn't do anything at all, and got upset when I started cranking the color level back to a sane level. I basically looked around until I saw sets I was seriously considering getting a decent signal, and then looking for the next on on my list at another place until I narrowed it down to two, then went and saw those two side by side with an over the air antenna hooked up to each and I spent a long time playing with them before deciding on the Sharp I did eventually buy. If the obnoxious saleswoman had left me alone, I would have bought it from her, but she kept bugging me. Nobody was in the store, I wasn't doing anything she needed to watch me do, and besides, she knows me slightly. She kept asking me what I was trying to do, and even though I explained it to her again and again, she didn't get it. Well, I didn't get "it" from her either. I made my decision though on the Sharp, and when Sears had it for the same price as BB's and CC, I got it there, no interest for 18 months!
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
Cosmo Kramer said:
July 2- Bestbuy.com...Panasonic 42" Plasma...1024 x 768 pixel resolution...10,000:1 contrast ratio...2 HDMI Inputs...3 S-Video/Composite Inputs...2 Component Inputs...is this a "good" plasma? The Price- $2,499.99

July 2- Bestbuy.com...Sony 40" LCD Flat Panel...1366 x 768 pixel resolution...contrast not available...1 HDMI Input...1 S-Video Input...3 Composite/Component Inputs...Media Card Input...this is a "good" LCD Flat Panel...The Price- $2,999.99

So while you are probably right in that btwn similar plasmas and LCD's, the LCD most likely will be more expensive, it isn't that big of a difference that you want us to believe. However, before you rush to say that a 42" Panasonic Plasma will cost you $4500, please do your research.
And before you quote me, look at the date of my post. I used MSRP numbers from the date of my post (December of last year). Plasma and LCD prices have been falling like crazy. LCD much moreso than plasma. They are now very similarly priced... except for that 65" Sharp LCD. :) I was specific in my post to say "As of right now" - somehow this post got brought up from the dead.
 
AVRat

AVRat

Audioholic Ninja
Wouldn't that Sharp 65" LCD be nice -- $20,000. :eek: Something for SLEESTACK to ponder.
 

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