Laying Out the Basement . . .

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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
I didn't bother to look up current prices on your speakers and sub, but I know that the difference between those and $2500-3000 is not much (if anything left at all?). If you just said so from the beginning you could have saved me from typing out thousands of words, haha. Anyway, you can easily cross out the following possibilities: anamorphic, tab tensioned, dual displays, SI BD.

Actually, this is easier than I thought. Just get the biggest Pana (or Samsung) plasma you can afford. If your budget does indeed "fluctuate" in the future but for the better, then adjust the plasma choice by PQ as second criterion. Done.

Now you have plenty of space to put the speakers. Pretty easy.

Of course if this was my room, that I had this newfound freedom to control my light, was not allowed to compromise the length of the room, then I would just sell my speakers, and get in walls so I could have my AT screen. Because I could make a pretty big one for not much (only $21 per linear foot), and I'm pretty sure DIY in walls should not be more expensive than most BW speakers even after eating a bit of a loss.

Because speakers are no longer possibly constrained by the width of a screen, and that you have 12' to play with theoretically, you can just play around, experiment, even measure. Honestly, there isn't much to think about. You CAN get some ghetto PJ, throw it up on a blank wall, but it won't be worth it. Even I would go for the plasma in such a case, without even half blinking.

Remember, if 2.5-3k is the full budget, then you're really not going to like how much the bulbs cost, and how quickly they die.
 
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bigman247

Enthusiast
Hmm . . . not sure how to get a Google doc shareable then. It's set to public, but I probably have a setting wrong somewhere.

Thanks for the perspective josten. I don't plan on being in this house forever, so am somewhat loathe to install permanent fixtures. I mainly want an area better than what I have right now (which is about 10' x 12' and forces me to have the direct-fire surrounds in *front* of my listening position), and am okay with it not being 100% ideal. Out of curiosity, do you have a link to examples of DIY in-wall speaker enclosures? That could be a great option due to the screen/TV being right where you walk in.

The bulbs are indeed another concern . . . rumors abound about the miraculous next gen projectors that will have lasers, but I won't be jumping on that bandwagon soon.
 
agarwalro

agarwalro

Audioholic Ninja
For that lighting scheme to work, you will need spotlights/recesses lights that can be swiveled and angled.
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Out of curiosity, do you have a link to examples of DIY in-wall speaker enclosures? That could be a great option due to the screen/TV being right where you walk in.
Well not really, outside of the name I already mentioned to you, Zaph. You can scroll down lower to see the in wall designs. Zaph has an excellent reputation, btw.

Zaph|Audio - ZA5 Speaker Designs with ZA14W08 woofer and Vifa DQ25SC16-04 tweeter

Google hits apparently point to a forum called HTGuide as having a handful of members that are expert with in wall design. I've never really spent any time there. You could possibly start a query in the DIY forum here, but I'm not sure how much feedback you'll get, depends I guess.
 
macddmac

macddmac

Audioholic General
+ 1 with jostemeat on the ZA-5's I built my room out with a built-in for the plasma, speakers, equipment, etc.. Then I realized that bookshelf speaker aren't meant to be put on bookshelf's :0 I finally got the zaphs (5.2 x2 & 5.3 for the center) with reduced BSC crossovers and I couldn't be happier now.
As far as lighting goes.. Put a lot more than you think you'll need and put dimmers on everything. I have 24 hard-wired fixtures in the 550 square foot common area in my basement and I can dial up any mood I want. They're relatively cheap and like horsepower , you can never have too much:)
Cheers, Mac
 
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bigman247

Enthusiast
Thanks guys - I'll have to do some more research, but it won't be tonight. We had a decent snow storm in the Midwest that knocked power out up until a couple of hours ago. I'd be sad to see the B&W's go, but that would give me some more options too. Or . . . I end up with 2 sets of speakers. :)

Side note - I plan on doing a suspended ceiling with recessed lighting, so that will at least make any lighting mistakes non-permanent. Are there any light fixtures you would recommend I look at mcddmac?
 
macddmac

macddmac

Audioholic General
Get remodel cans for the suspended ceiling for all flush-mounted stuff (7.00 a pop) they snap in and the Halos have push-in wire connections. Mono points that attach to ceiling boxes for any projector lights or track- type fixtures ( super easy to change the fixture type)
FWIW I recommend drywall over suspended type ceiling if you can swing it. Looks more like part of the house and not so basementy :)
Cheers, Mac
 
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bigman247

Enthusiast
I agree that the drywalled ceiling would look a little better, but I'm going to take the time to either find some colored ceiling tiles or paint these. I don't have a lot of confidence in the builder of my house, who's now gone bankrupt (and therefore there's no recourse if anything in the ceiling goes wrong), so I'd like to maintain my ability to pop up a ceiling tile to check on things. Last winter I had a "freeze-proof" faucet freeze because they're idiots and had the water lines angled downhill going back into the house and they hadn't installed a long enough stemmed valve, so the entirety of the valve was insulated from the interior heat of the house. I only caught it because of some discoloration I noticed on the floor . . . no long-term damage, luckily. Plus there will be a little less sound transferred into the ceiling (theoretically).
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Wow - only $400-$600 for parts to build an in-wall speaker solution. I'll definitely be doing more reading up on those Zaph ZA5's. There's a fairly interesting thread at ZAPH Audio ZA5.3 in wall theater build.
Hmm . . . on-wall would also be an option:
Atlantic Technology - FS-3200 LCR
EMP Tek EW30 On-wall Speakers

Slightly more appealing because I wouldn't be leaving speakers behind if I sell the house. Would require building a projector screen out a bit, but that's no real issue, and would make the speakers basically flush with a plasma/LCD if I went that route.
Thanks for the thread link. Atlantic has a very good reputation for HT on/in wall speaker values in an HT, but I have no idea which models would be the ones to choose.

Yes, $400-600, welcome to the world of DIY. You can build a world beater of a subwoofer for a similar budget (notwithstanding monstrous size and ugliness). For half that budget, you can build a screen using the same material that George Lucas chose for his own residence (Many enthusiasts have $4000 screens btw.) Or for a similar budget, there are a number of people here who built ER18 speakers, and the closest prebuilt cousin to that costs $4500 as bare bones, before options or shipping. :cool:
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Yes, off the top of my head, I know that there are at least several AHers who have gone this route including yours truly, and they often vary with design. Mine uses splines, not biscuits for example. There's one using metal here I think, another as scope setup, etc. If you want to see a bunch more, you can find some here:

The official SeymourAV center stage screen thread!
 
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