lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Actually, Captain Christopher Pike was.

I should be getting some serious geek groupie action right now. :eek:
If only the show wasn't written so poorly.

The Dominian War was worth enduring all the cheese. TNG had a lot of cheese and very little meat.
The series was basically a rip off of B5 though. I loved both and DS9 was the my favorite Star Trek, but no way we'd get a B5 again. They just don't give shows a couple years to warm up the plot lines.

TNG was deep with the Borg line, they just closed it way too fast IMO. They should have made it a long drawn out war.
 
Steve81

Steve81

Audioholics Five-0
They just don't give shows a couple years to warm up the plot lines.
Now now, Jersey Shore has had several seasons to develop.

TNG was deep with the Borg line, they just closed it way too fast IMO.
There were a lot of good potential enemies that were introduced that never amounted to much. The Ferengi come to mind in this regard.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Now now, Jersey Shore has had several seasons to develop.
There were a lot of good potential enemies that were introduced that never amounted to much. The Ferengi come to mind in this regard.
GTL everyday bro. (Worth the entire series which I never watched.)

I love the Ferengi episodes in DS9.
 
Steve81

Steve81

Audioholics Five-0
I love the Ferengi episodes in DS9.
From what I recall (which isn't much given that I've slept since then), they got kind of a bum rap. There was one piece mentioned on them in a brain bug essay I found interesting:

Star Wars vs Star Trek Essays: Brain Bugs

Greedy, Cowardly Ferengi

In "The Last Outpost", we were introduced to the Ferengi. Gene Roddenberry originally envisioned the Ferengi as the Federation's primary foe, to take the place of the Klingons and Romulans. This was part of the sea change in Star Trek's underlying theme, which was being revised from the 1960's Cold War to a left-wing liberal tirade against consumerism and capitalism. But the Ferengi were not simply greedy; they were powerful, mysterious, and dangerous. The very first Ferengi warship we ever saw was powerful enough to dice with the Federation's biggest, most powerful battleship, and its crew was highly aggressive. Despite their small stature, they were able to surprise and defeat a Federation landing party on the ground. Their appearance may have been odd, but these were clearly not people to be trifled with.

When they reappeared in "Peak Performance", they were similarly threatening. They dropped out of warp at point blank range, opened fire on the USS Enterprise, and promptly disabled most of its combat systems. They demanded the surrender of the derelict USS Hathaway, and when Picard (seemingly) destroyed it rather than surrender it, the Ferengi captain grudgingly complimented him by saying that "I did not think the Federation had such iron!" A rather warrior-like sentiment, is it not? Similarly, Picard once recounted the story of how he lost his previous command, after his ship was reduced to a flaming wreck by a Ferengi warship. This is a far cry from the cowardly Ferengi of DS9, isn't it? But in every appearance, the Ferengi made reference to a profit motive, and that was more than enough to plant the brain bug.

By the time the Ferengi showed up on DS9, their interest in profit had grown to encompass their entire culture. They were suddenly interested in nothing but the accumulation of wealth, and the writers' desire to simplify every alien society into a one-note joke meant that any non-financial elements of their society (including the strong martial tradition that was obvious from their initial appearance in TNG) vanished without a trace. Now, they were a laughingstock in combat, and they made frequent disparaging references to their own combat ineptitude. When Nog elected to join the Federation military, the decision was treated with shock, contempt, and derision by his relatives because Ferengi are businessmen, not soldiers. When Quark went on a mission to rescue his mother, they found a single Ferengi mercenary who was good with weapons, and the others acted as if he was some kind of freakish anomaly. What happened to the heavily armed Ferengi warships we saw in TNG? Did the writers suffer a massive collective amnesia attack?

As time went by, this brain bug continued to grow. Not only was greed now the only defining characteristic of Ferengi society, but the writers figured they were on a roll, so they even made it the Ferengi religion! Instead of the Ten Commandments, the Ferengi had the "Rules of Acquisition", with which the viewers were bludgeoned with constant reminders of Ferengi greed. Instead of "astral plane" or "holy ghost", they had the "Great Material Continuum". We were told that the Ferengi had no loyalty to anything but money; not to friends, not to family, not to king and country. No one ever managed to explain how a society could possibly function along these lines, but no matter; the writers obviously had no interest in constructing an interesting or multi-faceted alien society for the Ferengi. Far from it; instead, they seemed to be interested in reducing it to a single element, just as they had done for the Klingons. By the time they were done, another society had been transformed into a farcical one-note caricature by the unfettered growth of a brain bug. Planted in TNG, and grown to the proportions of Jack's famous beanstalk in DS9.
 
Steve81

Steve81

Audioholics Five-0
Qark was a great character though and one could argue it was a different caste though.
Certainly we didn't get anything other than a limited view of Ferengi society in DS9. Still, it seems an interesting choice to, practically speaking, reduce an entire species from "dangerous threat" to "big joke". Quark certainly had some dimension to him (from time to time).
 
darien87

darien87

Audioholic Spartan
Kirk.

Now on to more important subjects...

Tasha Yar vs 7of9 vs Kes.:D
I'll go with Kirk too.

I was never into Kes, but geez the years have not been kind to Jennifer Lien. Her pic on IMDB doesn't even look like the same person.

But I always had a thing for Ro Laren.

 
Steve81

Steve81

Audioholics Five-0
Poor Captain Picard...no love.

It's like a comparison of wise old Yoda (+ loves Earl Grey tea, - a lot of the cool factor) versus notorious space pimp Han Solo...
 
majorloser

majorloser

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Jadzia Dax

I always had the urge to see where those markings went. :rolleyes:



And she liked the ladies, too.

 

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