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PearlcorderS701

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Its all about personal preference like Gmichael says. If you enjoy them, thats all thats important.. and congrats!! :)
Thanks, dB, but I've had the RTi12's (if that's what you were congratulating me on) for awhile now...didn't just get 'em. ;)
 
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PearlcorderS701

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SVS MTS-01 should be considered.

If you want the best reference speaker near your budget unfortunately it's a bookshelf, but it's good enough to demolish most of the other speaker and is a huge step up from the Primus towers IMO.

http://www.studiogears.com/jbl_lsr6332l_three_way_mid_field_12_differential_drive_woofer_63411_prd1.htm
Thanks lsi; I wanted to include JBL in the mix, as I've owned their towers before, and have a setup in my car (stock "upgrade" JBL system), however, I definitely do not want monitors/bookshelves again.

I'll add the SVS to my list. :)
 
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PearlcorderS701

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The Primus don't have bad bass, you could use them without a sub, depending on what music you listening to. You would want a sub eventually, but you will still be able to enjoy whatever you listen to without it. It does pretty well down into the low 40 hertz range.
Thanks, J. :)
 
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PearlcorderS701

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You should think about considering some Monitor Audio speakers as well.
I have the BR1's in my room, the bottoms of the barrel in their line, and they sound excellent. I've spent some time listening to their other speakers as well and they all sound awesome, especially the new Silver line (RX's). They just recently released new models of there Bronze series too, the BX's, and while I havn't listened to them, if they are better than the BR's then they are worth the price for sure.
http://www.whathifi.com/Review/Monitor-Audio-BX2/

Also, I would keep a look out on audiogon for them :D
Thank you, Ito...I have added the Monitors (BR1, RX Series, BX Series) to my list. ;)
 
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PearlcorderS701

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Workout the budget, audition until the cows come home and then do more auditioning, and take notes and start to narrow down your choices. And have fun!! ;)
Per one of my earlier posts, I do not have access to any demo rooms save for a Best Buy and Frys -- the Best Buy location in particular I would absolutely buy nothing from, nor would I demo anything there. ;)
 
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PearlcorderS701

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If you are interested in hearing Salk Speakers, here is the link to owners that provide demos. IMHO the song bird @1299 and the song tower @1899 are good prices for the value you receive. Excellent bass and imagining. Here is a link to Rich's review with excellent detail. Here is another peer review by Dr. Mark on another of their products with Dennis Murphy (crossover designer) adding notes.
Thanks, 'Band. I have heard a lot about Salk since cruising the audiophile sites, but don't know too much about them beyond some surface stuff -- what kinds of sonic characteristics do the Salks have? How expensive are we talking?

BTW, wouldn't $1900 speakers be a bit "overkill" once integrated into my 2-channel system, based on the level of the rest of the electronics, or does this not really matter?
 
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sholling

sholling

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Thanks, 'Band. I have heard a lot about Salk since cruising the audiophile sites, but don't know too much about them beyond some surface stuff -- what kinds of sonic characteristics do the Salks have? How expensive are we talking?
I can help with that - I own a pair of Salk Song Tower - RTs. :D I think the best car metaphor for the difference between a pair of P362s and Salk Song Towers is going from a plain-Jane 68 Mustang with a 289 with a rattle here and there to a brand new 500hp BMW M5. Both will put a big smile on your face but the handcrafted Salk is a whole lot more refined than the mass produced Infinity. The downside is that the they aren't all that easy to drive. The entry level SongBird is 8ohm but the sensitivity is only 84db. The Song Tower (review) is a 4ohm speaker but is rated at 88db. If you can ever find the room and budget I highly recommend them but I think they might be a little bit of overkill for your intentions. Still if you can swing Song Towers and don't need to them to play super loud with your current receiver... holy cow! :D
 
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PearlcorderS701

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I can help with that - I own a pair of Salk Song Tower - RTs. :D I think the best car metaphor for the difference between a pair of P362s and Salk Song Towers is going from a plain-Jane 68 Mustang with a 289 with a rattle here and there to a brand new 500hp BMW M5. Both will put a big smile on your face but the handcrafted Salk is a whole lot more refined than the mass produced Infinity. The downside is that the they aren't all that easy to drive. The entry level SongBird is 8ohm but the sensitivity is only 84db. The Song Tower (review) is a 4ohm speaker but is rated at 88db. If you can ever find the room and budget I highly recommend them but I think they might be a little bit of overkill for your intentions. Still if you can swing Song Towers and don't need to them to play super loud with your current receiver... holy cow! :D
Thanks for your honest and thoughtful explanation here -- some things come to mind though. You mention "room" for these, which may be a problem, because I don't need/have a great deal of room in the 2-channel area. So these may indeed be a bit overkill for the situation -- however, you mentioned if I "don't need to play [them] super loud" with my current receiver, but this unit does support other ohm loads, not just 8...and as for efficiency, that's a good point that I didn't bring up. I would rather something that's not that difficult to drive, with a bit of a higher efficiency rating.

How about something Klipsch makes? I hear they're very forward and bright sounding due to the horn arrays and such, but how do they do with music?

UPDATE: Yeah, looking at the pictures of the Salks on their site, I think these monsters would be a bit too big for the area I'm talking about...I need a tower with a bit of a smaller footprint.
 
gmichael

gmichael

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Some find the Klipsch horns very appealing at first and then very fatiguing later on. Meaning, their highs make them sound very bright. Some people love all those highs, while others find that they hurt their ears.
 
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PearlcorderS701

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Some find the Klipsch horns very appealing at first and then very fatiguing later on. Meaning, their highs make them sound very bright. Some people love all those highs, while others find that they hurt their ears.
Good to know, thanks michael.

Is there no way to essentially "tame" the highs of the Klipschs? Perhaps via lowering the treble control on the receiver/preamp?
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
Thanks for your honest and thoughtful explanation here -- some things come to mind though. You mention "room" for these, which may be a problem, because I don't need/have a great deal of room in the 2-channel area. So these may indeed be a bit overkill for the situation -- however, you mentioned if I "don't need to play [them] super loud" with my current receiver, but this unit does support other ohm loads, not just 8...and as for efficiency, that's a good point that I didn't bring up. I would rather something that's not that difficult to drive, with a bit of a higher efficiency rating. ?
Salks are all handmade to order so you can get them anyway you want them and mine were custom made with front ports to work better in my small space. The more that I think about it the more I like the idea if you can afford them. I think of mine as a 20 year investment. Over the years you'll be upgrading amps or receivers etc. 2009 $2K Shootout

Klipsch are a love'em or hate'em proposition because some find them too bright and others find them fatiguing and still others dearly love them. Personally I find them fatiguing. I had a roommate years ago with Klipsch LaScalas. Mighty fine at jet fighter taking off sound pressure levels.

2010 $1K Shootout


My custom front ported Song Tower RTs​
 
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PearlcorderS701

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Salks are all handmade to order so you can get them anyway you want them and mine were custom made with front ports to work better in my small space. The more that I think about it the more I like the idea if you can afford them. I think of mine as a 20 year investment. Over the years you'll be upgrading amps or receivers etc. 2009 $2K Shootout

Klipsch are a love'em or hate'em proposition because some find them too bright and others find them fatiguing and still others dearly love them. Personally I find them fatiguing. I had a roommate years ago with Klipsch LaScalas. Mighty fine at jet fighter taking off sound pressure levels.

2010 $1K Shootout


My custom front ported Song Tower RTs​
Thanks for sharing the pic, sholl. ;)
 
bandphan

bandphan

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I just have to say that Klispch get WAY to much negative feedback, and most do not have experience with them. I truly believe that if most spent time with non mass market versions of their speakers they could find many positive things to say. The term bright and Klipsch is misleading as many good speakers are revealing(bright) and when its Klispch, they are just called bright and ear bleeding.
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

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Uh-oh......:eek:
I meant that to be funny but in all seriousness the guy who sold me my Infinities upgraded to Polk bookshelves. I later bought the Polks off him and did not agree with his assessment but it just goes to show ya that we don't all see eye to eye. Dkane loves his Klipsch. You can figure on about 3/4 of us agreeing on what sounds good and with the rest it's a crap shoot.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

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I just have to say that Klispch get WAY to much negative feedback, and most do not have experience with them. I truly believe that if most spent time with non mass market versions of their speakers they could find many positive things to say. The term bright and Klipsch is misleading as many good speakers are revealing(bright) and when its Klispch, they are just called bright and ear bleeding.
I am not a big fan of Klipsch speakers, but I basically agree with you. Their speakers are much better than some would have you believe, particularly their high end models (like the Klipschorns; there is a reason why they have been in production since the 1940's). And their lessor models tend to be comparable in quality with other speakers that are in their price range. One may prefer other speakers, but honestly they are not generally dramatically bad for their price points. (I know of none that are dramatically bad for their price points, and I have heard many and even owned a few, but I have not heard them all and so I cannot say for sure about all of them.)

Very often, someone judges a whole line by one model, heard under less than ideal circumstances. Polk is another maligned brand among some people, but I think they tend to be decent at their price points as well (with usually the bottom model that has real wood veneer being a particularly good value at real world prices, though I have not heard the latest).

Of course, if one is comparing a $100 Polk or Klipsch with one's favorite brand of speaker at the $1000 price point, we can expect that the more expensive one ought to be much better.


I personally particularly like ribbon/planar speakers, like Apogee and Magnepan, but to each his or her own.
 
gmichael

gmichael

Audioholic Spartan
I just have to say that Klispch get WAY to much negative feedback, and most do not have experience with them. I truly believe that if most spent time with non mass market versions of their speakers they could find many positive things to say. The term bright and Klipsch is misleading as many good speakers are revealing(bright) and when its Klispch, they are just called bright and ear bleeding.
I don't have a problem with Klispch. Just saying that some like horns and all the detail they bring while others don't. IMO they are worth spending some time with to find out how your (or his) ears feel about them. Back in the day (the late 70's) I was in awe over how much bass they put out and still managed to sound clear.
 
gmichael

gmichael

Audioholic Spartan
I personally particularly like ribbon/planar speakers, like Apogee and Magnepan, but to each his or her own.
Me too, but I doubt that many receivers can get much more than a few gurgles out of an Apogee before it went up in smoke. Magnepans are nice. The ones in the same price range of the Infinity’s would need a sub though. I ended up getting planner hybrids. They give me a taste of those sweet mids while still deliverying the lower punch that makes rock so enjoyable.
 
bandphan

bandphan

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I don't have a problem with Klispch. Just saying that some like horns and all the detail they bring while others don't. IMO they are worth spending some time with to find out how your (or his) ears feel about them. Back in the day (the late 70's) I was in awe over how much bass they put out and still managed to sound clear.
I wasn't commenting on any one quote but in general. But know that you brought up horns, there are some absolute classic horn loaded speakers (single drive) like the Lowther that if many would get a chance to hear should. Albeit the concept that most akin horns to is klispch horn loaded tweeters, the term horn gets localized with klipsch
 
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