Israel's influence on US foreign policies

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Audioholic Samurai
I'm not sure what you mean by "very liberal", as the "liberal" spectrum is fairly broad, including conservative liberals and socialist liberals. Regardless, while there is a significant progessive/centre-left demographic in Israel, the government is very conservative.

Israel needs Netanyahu and his cabinet like a hole in the head. It was that government who helped Hamas gain power in Gaza, as a counter-balance to Fatah in the West Bank and to keep the Palestinian territories divided. While over the short term, that cynical policy may have worked to some degree, they should have known that helping Hamas was doing a deal with the devil. While Iran and Qatar may have loaded the Hamas magazine, Israel's own government facilitated the delivery of the bullets.
It was definitely a deal with the devil but it was a deal (deal upon deal) pressured by outside influence. I’m sure Israel would happily send them back to Jordan in a heartbeat. If you’re not aware, Jordan kicked them out after they attempted a civil war and exocuted the Jordanian president but they’re still legally Jordanian citizens with Jordanian passports, there is no Palestine and never has been.
 
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Audioholic Samurai
That's up to the Israeli leadership to determine isn't. They keep sabotaging the cease fire and attempted peace deals. Are you ok with this? Are you ok with the ongoing Palestinian genocide and now the attempted ethnic cleansing in Lebanon?
Weird that the ceasefire Iran is demanding Israel not attack Hezbollah in Lebanon when Lebanon asked Israel to take out Hezbollah. By the way Hezbollah was planning a Coupe in Lebanon which is why they asked Israel to take them out.
 
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Audioholic Samurai
Prove your statements about Muslim elected officials in Israel.

I'm so f'in tired of the fall back call to antisemitism. I have nothing against the Jews but I dam well condemn the Zionist fascists running Israel and performing ethnic cleansing first in the West Bank/Gaza and now in Lebanon. Even the Jewish people who live outside Israel are condemning the Israelis. Educate yourself as to what is really going on instead of gleaming headlines from Foxx news ffs!!
Current Muslims serving in elected seats in Israel, this does not include past.

Mansour Abbas
Walid Taha
Waleed Alhwashla
Iman Khatib-Yasin
Yasser Hujirat
Ayman Odeh
Ahmad Tibi

Furthermore about 20% of Israel’s population is Muslim with full citizenship and rights that go with it.

Palestine was a label created by the Romans after the name Phyllis Stein’s to insult Jews and try to diminish their heritage. Nobody has ever claimed to be Palestinian until Yasser Arafat came around in the 60s. It’s never been a people and it still isn’t as they all carry Jordanian passports and are legally Jordanian citizens..

The level of ignorance you’re showing is amazing. Please learn just a little bit about the history and the people and what’s going on.
 
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Audioholic Slumlord
Weird that the ceasefire Iran is demanding Israel not attack Hezbollah in Lebanon when Lebanon asked Israel to take out Hezbollah. By the way Hezbollah was planning a Coupe in Lebanon which is why they asked Israel to take them out.
Show me the proof that Lebanon asked Israel to take out Hezbollah .
 
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Audioholic Slumlord
Palestine was a label created by the Romans after the name Phyllis Stein’s to insult Jews and try to diminish their heritage. Nobody has ever claimed to be Palestinian until Yasser Arafat came around in the 60s. It’s never been a people and it still isn’t as they all carry Jordanian passports and are legally Jordanian citizens..

The level of ignorance you’re showing is amazing. Please learn just a little bit about the history and the people and what’s going on.
I'm not sure what right wing Christian school you're getting your facts from about Palestine...

The peoples
Palestinians are an Arab national group native to the historical region of Palestine, whose lineage traces back to the diverse populations that have inhabited the land for millennia. Their heritage is shaped by centuries of cultural, religious, and political evolution in the Middle East. [1, 2, 3]
The history of the Palestinian people and the region is defined by distinct eras: [1]
  • Ancient Roots: The region was historically known as Canaan. Over thousands of years, the local populations assimilated with successive waves of empires, including the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, and Romans. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • The Arab and Islamic Eras: Following the 7th-century Muslim conquests, the region's population gradually adopted the Arabic language and Islamic culture. It was ruled by various caliphates, followed by the Mamluks, and spent four centuries under the Ottoman Empire until World War I. [1, 2, 3]
  • British Mandate: After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, the region came under British administration (1922–1948). Tensions escalated during this time due to conflicting Zionist aspirations for a Jewish national home and the native Arab population's push for self-determination. [1, 2]
  • The Nakba (Catastrophe): The 1947–1949 war surrounding the creation of Israel resulted in the displacement of over half of the Palestinian population, who became refugees. Palestinians refer to this pivotal event as the Nakba. [1]
  • Modern Period: Following the 1967 Six-Day War, the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) and the Gaza Strip came under Israeli military occupation. Since then, the Palestinian people have pursued statehood, self-determination, and the right of return, with the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) leading diplomatic efforts and armed struggles.



The country

The history of Palestine spans thousands of years as a pivotal crossroads of religion, culture, and commerce. The region’s modern trajectory was shaped profoundly by the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, the subsequent British Mandate, and the enduring territorial and national conflict between Arab and Jewish populations. [1, 2, 3]

Ancient to Medieval Eras
  • Early Inhabitants: The region, historically encompassing Canaan, has been inhabited since prehistoric times. It saw rule by various empires, including the Egyptians, Assyrians, and Babylonians. [1, 2]
  • Hebrew Kingdoms: Ancient Hebrew/Jewish tribes arrived around 1200 BCE, later establishing the kingdoms of Israel and Judah. [1, 2]
    • Roman Era: Following Jewish revolts, the Roman Empire renamed the province Syria Palaestina. [1]
    • Islamic Rule: The region was conquered by the Muslim Rashidun Caliphate in the 7th century, bringing Arab culture and Islam to the area. It subsequently fell under various Islamic empires, with a brief interruption during the Crusades. [1, 2, 3]
    • Ottoman Empire: The region was part of the Ottoman Empire for roughly four hundred years, from 1516 until the end of World War I. [1, 2]


The 20th Century
  • British Mandate: Following World War I, the United Kingdom administered Palestine under a League of Nations mandate. This period was marked by the British Balfour Declaration supporting a national home for the Jewish people, rising Arab nationalism, and increasing Jewish immigration, particularly amid Nazi persecution in Europe. [1, 2]
  • 1947 UN Partition and 1948 War: Unable to resolve mounting violence between Arab and Jewish populations, the UK turned the region over to the United Nations. The UN proposed splitting the land into independent Arab and Jewish states. Following the end of the mandate, the State of Israel was established, leading to the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. The war resulted in the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians (a pivotal event known as the Nakba), with the remaining territories (the West Bank and Gaza Strip) falling under the control of Jordan and Egypt. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • 1967 Six-Day War: In a major turning point, Israel captured the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Gaza Strip, the Sinai Peninsula, and the Golan Heights. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • Rise of the PLO: The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) emerged in 1964 as the representative body of the Palestinian people. [1]

Modern Era (1993 - Present)
  • The Oslo Accords: In the 1990s, mutual recognition between Israel and the PLO led to the creation of the Palestinian Authority, which was granted limited governing functions in parts of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
  • Gaza Disengagement: Israel entirely withdrew its military and civilian presence from the Gaza Strip in 2005. Tensions escalated sharply, leading to Hamas seizing control of the territory in 2007.
  • Contemporary Status: Today, Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by a majority of the United Nations. The territory remains at the center of a continuing, multifaceted conflict over borders, statehood, security, and the status of Jerusalem

HAMAS

Former CIA analyst Larry Johnson has discussed the long-standing allegation that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu pursued an intentional strategy of empowering Hamas to weaken or prevent the establishment of the Palestinian Authority (PA) or a broader, unified Palestinian state. [1, 2]
Johnson has frequently echoed observations from political commentators, such as Thomas L. Friedman, who argue that Netanyahu actively sought to strengthen the militant faction of the Palestinian national movement to avoid diplomatic negotiations for a two-state solution. The core premise of this commentary is that by allowing Hamas to govern the Gaza Strip, Netanyahu maintained a divided Palestinian leadership—complicating efforts for a viable, internationally recognized Palestinian state. [1, 2, 3]
 
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Audioholic Warlord
It was definitely a deal with the devil but it was a deal (deal upon deal) pressured by outside influence. I’m sure Israel would happily send them back to Jordan in a heartbeat. If you’re not aware, Jordan kicked them out after they attempted a civil war and exocuted the Jordanian president but they’re still legally Jordanian citizens with Jordanian passports, there is no Palestine and never has been.
The "devil" I'm referring to is Hamas, not the entire Palestinian people. And, they didn't all come from Jordan. The large Palestinian population in Jordan resulted from refugees fleeing to that country as well as the annexation of the West Bank by Jordan.

And yes, I know that Jordan kicked them out as a result of the Black September conflict with the PLO.

While there was never a nation called Palestine, that doesn't mean there can never be such a thing. I think there can never be any real prospect of peace without a two-state solution. But, making a functional nation out of two separate territories can certainly be a huge stumbling block.
 
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Audioholic Slumlord
Current Muslims serving in elected seats in Israel, this does not include past.

Mansour Abbas
Walid Taha
Waleed Alhwashla
Iman Khatib-Yasin
Yasser Hujirat
Ayman Odeh
Ahmad Tibi

Furthermore about 20% of Israel’s population is Muslim with full citizenship and rights that go with it.
It appears that you are correct.
Israel’s population has surpassed 10.1 million residents. The demographic breakdown consists of approximately 76% Jewish, 21% Arab (including Muslim, Christian, and Druze communities), and 3% other groups (including non-Arab Christians, individuals of Jewish ancestry not recognized by religious law, and foreign nationals

Which makes the attempted genocide of the Palestinian people even more puzzling. Looks like Netanyahu doesn't want a Palestine which makes sense as he has plans for a "greater" Israel by invading other countries and taking over their lands.
 
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Audioholic Slumlord
The "devil" I'm referring to is Hamas, not the entire Palestinian people. And, they didn't all come from Jordan. The large Palestinian population in Jordan resulted from refugees fleeing to that country as well as the annexation of the West Bank by Jordan.

And yes, I know that Jordan kicked them out as a result of the Black September conflict with the PLO.

While there was never a nation called Palestine, that doesn't mean there can never be such a thing. I think there can never be any real prospect of peace without a two-state solution. But, making a functional nation out of two separate territories can certainly be a huge stumbling block.
The two state solution can only work if its respected by both sides and not having settlers from one state being allowed to build settlements in the other's lands. The UN does recognize the state of Palestine.
 
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Audioholic Samurai
The "devil" I'm referring to is Hamas, not the entire Palestinian people. And, they didn't all come from Jordan. The large Palestinian population in Jordan resulted from refugees fleeing to that country as well as the annexation of the West Bank by Jordan.

And yes, I know that Jordan kicked them out as a result of the Black September conflict with the PLO.

While there was never a nation called Palestine, that doesn't mean there can never be such a thing. I think there can never be any real prospect of peace without a two-state solution. But, making a functional nation out of two separate territories can certainly be a huge stumbling block.
My point is that there never was a Palestinian people or nation, they were simply a nomadic tribe who identified simply as Muslim Arabs. They’ve been driven out of virtually every Muslim country. They reside in because everywhere they go. They start crap with that nation and eventually get kicked out. The Muslim world hates them and only wants them in Israel’s territory because they hate Israel as well. The idea of a two state solution sounds good on paper, but it’s just never gonna work out. The Palestinian official position is that Israel will never exist as a country and they will never recognize it.
 
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Audioholic Samurai
It appears that you are correct.
Israel’s population has surpassed 10.1 million residents. The demographic breakdown consists of approximately 76% Jewish, 21% Arab (including Muslim, Christian, and Druze communities), and 3% other groups (including non-Arab Christians, individuals of Jewish ancestry not recognized by religious law, and foreign nationals

Which makes the attempted genocide of the Palestinian people even more puzzling. Looks like Netanyahu doesn't want a Palestine which makes sense as he has plans for a "greater" Israel by invading other countries and taking over their lands.
If Israel wanted more territory then why did they give back 3x more territory than they currently hold after the six day war?

I’m not trying to be a jerk but you’re wrong on virtually everything you’ve believed about the conflict. I do appreciate your previous post about the history of the region but Jews have maintained a population there since Canaan but we’re talking almost 3,500 years. Aside from China and African nations there are no other people in the history of the world that can make such a claim. Anyone making a suggestion that Israel does not belong in their own homeland is either willfully, dishonest, or is ignorant of the history.

I am in no way suggesting that the Israeli government is always good, but they’re in a pretty tough situation being surrounded by 1 billion people that would love to wipe them off the face of the Earth. Shia Islam explicitly calls for the eradication of Jews, you can’t negotiate with religious ideology.
 
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Audioholic Samurai
They are currently in a war for more territory.
What are you talking about, seriously? If Israel wanted more territory they could just take it anytime they wanted and no regional power could stop them.

Tell me what territory they are taking, I’ll wait. Legally Gaza and the West Bank is Israeli territory and has been for decades, it’s already there’s so there’s no need to take anything.
 
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Audioholic Slumlord
My point is that there never was a Palestinian people or nation, they were simply a nomadic tribe who identified simply as Muslim Arabs. They’ve been driven out of virtually every Muslim country. They reside in because everywhere they go. They start crap with that nation and eventually get kicked out. The Muslim world hates them and only wants them in Israel’s territory because they hate Israel as well. The idea of a two state solution sounds good on paper, but it’s just never gonna work out. The Palestinian official position is that Israel will never exist as a country and they will never recognize it.
Please provide documentation ( links) that supports your assertion about them being a trouble maker society.

The problem with saying never is that it excludes all the changes in attitude that have already occurred. The Onslo accords was a step in the positive direction but I believe the allowances of Israeli settlers in the Palestinian lands caused the eventual collapse of those accords. I believe you have it backwards in that Israel will never recognize a Palestinian state, at least until the current Israeli fascists change their mind.
 
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Audioholic Slumlord
What are you talking about, seriously? If Israel wanted more territory they could just take it anytime they wanted and no regional power could stop them.

Tell me what territory they are taking, I’ll wait. Legally Gaza and the West Bank is Israeli territory and has been for decades, it’s already there’s so there’s no need to take anything.
No it’s not legally Israeli territory but Palestinian territory as seen by the UN.

Furthermore, the Israeli army is near collapse, very high suicide rated, piss poor leadership, running out of munitions. Hezbollah has been handing the IDF, their collective asses time and time again.
 

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