Is This the Dreaded HDMI OUT Failure on my TX-SR605...or Something Else?

Kaskade89052

Kaskade89052

Audioholic Samurai
We have been running an Onkyo TX-SR605 since it was released (so circa 2007/2008 or so) and it has powered two different systems, first in an apartment we had and then in a house we moved into. It actually does everything we need, save for the height formats of course (Dolby Atmos/DTS:X), as it decodes Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio, along with all legacy flavors of the codecs (this is important to us because 99-percent of our disc watching comes off of DVDs or regular Blu-rays that boast either a Dolby Digital, DTS, Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA soundtrack).

Originally, when we were set up for 1080p, we had our Oppo Blu-ray player at the time going through the 605, sending video off to our Sony SXRD rear projection display. but since getting a new 4K TV, we were forced to use our 4K players' (we had both a Cambridge Audio CXUHD and Panasonic UB9000 for disc playback duties; the 9000 is being used exclusively now) dual HDMI outputs so the old audio codecs could go direct to our old Onkyo amp and the 4K video could go direct to our display.

Now, in order to check my AVR settings from time to time on our 4K Samsung, I had to perform a workaround -- because, again, my old Onkyo can't pass 4K video -- by sending the HDMI output of the receiver into an empty HDMI socket on the TV JUST to check the settings menu of the receiver. I have noticed, however, over the past few months, the video output from the 605 has been degrading to the point that what started out as weird green "flashing lines" going across the screen are now very strange graphic distortions that sometimes cover the words on the setup menu selections. Just the other night, when I was checking receiver settings, the output acted up again, where the green flashing lines turned into weird distorted graphics, and then I even experienced freezes where the receiver's remote wouldn't let me scroll back a page or get to another section of the setup. I had to shut the receiver off three or four times during this process to be able to get back to the menu I was on because the whole thing froze.

Initially, I thought this may have been the HDMI cable I was using between the receiver and TV going bad, but then I thought....a bad HDMI cable wouldn't cause the setup menu to freeze or not allow me to go back to a previous page via the RETURN button on the remote. Then I thought maybe this has something to do with the fact that I connected the receiver's HDMI out to my Samsung display's HDMI port with the ARC -- like maybe it's not "compatible" with that socket...but then I figured that really shouldn't be...

Does what I am describing sound like the HDMI output of the Onkyo is finally failing after well over a decade of heavy use? As I said, I'm only using the receiver's output to check the settings from time to time, but I really do need to have a working HDMI out to do this (I don't want to rely on the AVR's front panel); does it seem like these distortions and freezes I'm talking about are indicating the HDMI out chip is just about done?

If this is the case, it's probably not worth trying to fix, is it? While the receiver is doing everything we need it to do, if it did come down to needing to replace it because of this problem, we'd have to just get a new one (at that point we'd obviously be upgrading to an Atmos and X-capable model so we're be future-proofed).

If this is something that would be better visualized through pictures, let me know and I'll snap images of what I'm seeing in the setup menu.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I think you need to narrow things down a bit. Did you try a different hdmi cable? Different hdmi ports? This avr pre-dates the well-known hdmi/network board issues Onkyo had (units from 2009-12), but could still well be an hdmi related issue.
 
Kaskade89052

Kaskade89052

Audioholic Samurai
I think you need to narrow things down a bit. Did you try a different hdmi cable? This avr pre-dates the well-known hdmi/network board issues Onkyo had (units from 2009-12), but could still well be an hdmi related issue.
I didn't try an HDMI cable, but as I said in the original post, I'm only using the HDMI out of this receiver to check settings on the screen (it doesn't pass 4K video), and, more importantly, I didn't think an HDMI cable problem would cause what I'm seeing -- that is, sometimes the menu I'm on actually freezes and the remote won't let me go forward or back, causing me to have to shut the unit off and turn it back on.

Would a bad HDMI cable actually do that? Seems like it's a hardware thing (i.e. inside the AVR).
 
Kaskade89052

Kaskade89052

Audioholic Samurai
I think you need to narrow things down a bit. Did you try a different hdmi cable? Different hdmi ports? This avr pre-dates the well-known hdmi/network board issues Onkyo had (units from 2009-12), but could still well be an hdmi related issue.
Also -- I know the 605 predates the widespread issues Onkyo was having with HDMI boards, but I figured maybe the heat of the unit or something else just aged the HDMI OUT port and it simply failed after over a decade of use...

The AVR is very well-ventilated, sitting in a side tower of an entertainment center with glass and wood doors, but there is nothing stacked on top of it and we leave the door open when using the unit (watching a film).
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Some of the things you mentioned have been attributed to hdmi cables so I'd check that and hdmi related settings (and I amended my post after you quoted it to add checking various hdmi ports (both avr and tv) to see if it makes a difference. Could be the avr and all you need to rationalize a new one but I'd narrow things down a bit with the process of elimination myself.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Hdmi ports/connections aren't the best designed things either....
 
Kaskade89052

Kaskade89052

Audioholic Samurai
Some of the things you mentioned have been attributed to hdmi cables so I'd check that and hdmi related settings (and I amended my post after you quoted it to add checking various hdmi ports (both avr and tv) to see if it makes a difference.
I actually never heard of that before; do you mean the weird colored glitches/flashing lines on the screen can be due to a bad cable, etc?

The AVR only has one HDMI OUT port, so I'm stuck using that one....if it went bad, it went bad. As for the TV's ports, why would the port I'm in (HDMI 4 on my Samsung) suddenly do this on a unit from 2018? And would the TV port cause the menu to lock up, not allowing me to move controls on the remote?
 
Kaskade89052

Kaskade89052

Audioholic Samurai
Hdmi ports/connections aren't the best designed things either....
That I know; over time and after being stuffed in tight installations that may stress the ports, they can become loose or damaged, I suppose. That MIGHT be what is going on here...
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
That I know; over time and after being stuffed in tight installations that may stress the ports, they can become loose or damaged, I suppose. That MIGHT be what is going on here...
That's one reason I'd try using other ports....
 
Kaskade89052

Kaskade89052

Audioholic Samurai
That's one reason I'd try using other ports....
But does it sound as if it could be the actual HDMI out of the AVR going bad (the green flashing lines through the screen, the odd distortions over the text of the menus, etc.)?
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
But does it sound as if it could be the actual HDMI out of the AVR going bad (the green flashing lines through the screen, the odd distortions over the text of the menus, etc.)?
I suppose. The green artifacts thing has been attributed to cabling before...could be for the other too, dunno. I'd think about trying resets too (or did you already?). If all the ports with a different cable do the same thing after the resets I'd be shopping avrs :)
 
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Trebdp83

Audioholic Spartan
Check the TV settings. Make sure Anynet+ is OFF and make sure UHD Color is OFF for the input connected to the Onkyo. Some older devices will not work well with it ON as it is for devices that support HDMI 2.0. The Onkyo is only HDMI 1.3a. After the change, unplug both of them briefly and fire them back up. If it still acts up, use a composite cable from the Onkyo to the TV. You did keep the break out cables for the TV, didn’t you?;)
 
Kaskade89052

Kaskade89052

Audioholic Samurai
Check the TV settings. Make sure Anynet+ is OFF and make sure UHD Color is OFF for the input connected to the Onkyo. Some older devices will not work well with it ON as it is for devices that support HDMI 2.0. The Onkyo is only HDMI 1.3a. After the change, unplug both of them briefly and fire them back up. If it still acts up, use a composite cable from the Onkyo to the TV. You did keep the break out cables for the TV, didn’t you?;)
Thanks.

Yep -- Anynet+ is off as well as the UHD Color for that port.

I would think, though, if it was either of the above it would have acted up from the beginning, no? This started happening about a year ago...
 
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Trebdp83

Audioholic Spartan
Yes, issues from those settings would usually be immediate. I'd try the composite connection if you are able to see if that is failing as well.
 
Kaskade89052

Kaskade89052

Audioholic Samurai
Yes, issues from those settings would usually be immediate. I'd try the composite connection if you are able to see if that is failing as well.
Composite connection of the RECEIVER? My TV has no composite connections, if I am not mistaken; only HDMI.

It's a Samsung NU8000.
 
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Trebdp83

Audioholic Spartan
Thought your model might have the breakout connectors. You could do composite or component connection. They would be mini connector ports with yellow and blue colored rings. You would connect the breakout cables to them but seems your TV lacks the ports.:confused:
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Kaskade89052

Kaskade89052

Audioholic Samurai
Thought your model might have the breakout connectors. You could do composite or component connection. They would be mini connector ports with yellow and blue colored rings. You would connect the breakout cables to them but seems your TV lacks the ports.:confused:
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Indeed; from what I understand (and from what I recall) these Samsungs don't have composite or component hookups any longer...

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Looks like just HDMI ports plus the cable/coax hookups (with some USB bullshit or something there for good measure).
 
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Trebdp83

Audioholic Spartan
Yeah, they should have kept them. Glad mine has them.;) Though, I’ve never used them.
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panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Warlord
This is the exact issue I had with my 809 when I bought it, and it's HDMI finally went out a few years ago.

However, I've had HDMI cables do some strange stuff over the years. Eliminate everything in the chain one thing at a time. Cable first, then try another display. If they have the same issue, your HDMI out is broke. Pretty much that simple.

EDIT: This is what it looked like.

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