Is this a good setup? Advice needed.

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bodine76

Audiophyte
My wife and I just purchased a new home and I was allowed a $5k budget to upgrade my A/V system. Been using Onkyo HTIB for 9 years and while it has served me well, it's time to move on.
I have 5k to purchase TV, 5.1 speakers and AVR.
Room is 15x20 with 11' ceilings. Slightly open to kitchen and foyer.
Use will be 70% music/30% movies.
I have been doing extensive research, but not much actual listening due to the lack of real stores in my area. I am not comfortable doing the ID thing.
We do have one highly respected A/V dealer in town and I spent about 4 hours there last week. This is what the recommended:
Onkyo 609 AVR
Def Tech BP8060 Towers
Def Tech Mythos 7 center (or 8060)
Def Tech In ceiling speakers for surrounds (D 6.5?)
Def Tech Prosub 1000
Sony 55NX720
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I have posted on AVS and have gotten negative input on the Prosub. Probably not going to get it. I have listed to Klipsch, but they are just too harsh for me. I have listened to B&W 683 and they were no competition for the Def Tech's. I have to admit that I love the sound of the 8060s. But, after spending hours on the net, they just seem awfully complicated. I am worried about placement as I will need them as close to the front wall as possible. I did email Def Tech and Chet wrote me back stating that this new line can be set as little as 6 inches from the wall.
I just want to know that I am making a good decision. I am getting an excellent deal of the speakers (< $650/each). I did find another dealer in the area, but I think he is really high end . These are the brands he carries:
Paradigm , Harpeth , Spendor ,Magnepan ,PSB ,System Audio, Focal, RBH ,
REL Subwoofers. Are any of those in my price range?

Anyway, sorry to ramble. Thanks for any advice
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
I would have to agree with AVS (ugh) that the sub is the weak point there. Get your sub from an online manufacturer. What you get is a lot more sub for the money. The sub absolutely does not need to be "matched" to your system; in other words, there's no benefit to sticking with the same manufacturer when there are excellent subs out there to be had, even if they were going to give you the sub for a good price.

That is a decent size room but I'd say a single Epik Legend would handle it easily, or an HSU VTF-2 or VTF-3, and depending on what you are looking to spend maybe a Rythmik F12.

http://rythmikaudio.com/F12.html

http://epiksubwoofers.com/legend.html

http://hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3-mk3.html
 
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bodine76

Audiophyte
Thats what I thought. Thanks. WIll probably hold off on the sub for now as some tell me it may not be necessary with the built-in sunbs in the tower

Other than that, am I making a good decision? I know a lot of it is subjective, but I don't know where else to turn.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Thats what I thought. Thanks. WIll probably hold off on the sub for now as some tell me it may not be necessary with the built-in sunbs in the tower

Other than that, am I making a good decision? I know a lot of it is subjective, but I don't know where else to turn.
If you've listened to the speakers and like the sound, then yes it is a good decision.
 
jliedeka

jliedeka

Audioholic General
I think in-ceiling surrounds are not the best choice. Of course SAF and decor goals play a part. Stand mounted monitor type speakers to the side of the listening position and slightly above will work best. In ceiling surrounds will be too high but better than no surrounds.

Jim
 
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bodine76

Audiophyte
I wish I didn't have to do in-ceiling, but I just don't have the proper setup for stands.
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Yes, I do love the sound of the Def Techs, but I find it odd that they are hardly ever recommended in the forums. Also, I am not sure about the bi-polar system and the built-in sub. But, again, I do enjoy the sound. I just don't want to regret my purchase down the road as this is going to be it (per the wife).
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
I have 5k to purchase TV, 5.1 speakers and AVR.
Room is 15x20 with 11' ceilings. Slightly open to kitchen and foyer.
Use will be 70% music/30% movies.
I have been doing extensive research, but not much actual listening due to the lack of real stores in my area.

I am not comfortable doing the ID thing.
AT LEAST do it for a pair of subs. Brick and mortar subs are a joke. Though honestly, "the ID thing" means you can audition the speaker one way or another before you go all out and buy it. Either a 30 day in home trial or trying it out at an owner's home. I think you should give it a chance.

We do have one highly respected A/V dealer in town and I spent about 4 hours there last week. This is what the recommended:

Onkyo 609 AVR
Def Tech BP8060 Towers
Def Tech Mythos 7 center (or 8060)
Def Tech In ceiling speakers for surrounds (D 6.5?)
Def Tech Prosub 1000
Sony 55NX720
I like Panasonic or Samsung plasmas, to be honest. I personally would add an amp to drive my front speakers... I would not trust the Onkyo. Have you considered a Yamaha or a refurb Marantz?

I have posted on AVS and have gotten negative input on the Prosub. Probably not going to get it. I have listed to Klipsch, but they are just too harsh for me. I have listened to B&W 683 and they were no competition for the Def Tech's. I have to admit that I love the sound of the 8060s. But, after spending hours on the net, they just seem awfully complicated. I am worried about placement as I will need them as close to the front wall as possible. I did email Def Tech and Chet wrote me back stating that this new line can be set as little as 6 inches from the wall.
No speakers, no matter what marketing departments tell you, will sound their best 6 inches from the wall.
I just want to know that I am making a good decision. I am getting an excellent deal of the speakers (< $650/each).

Paradigm , Harpeth , Spendor ,Magnepan ,PSB ,System Audio, Focal, RBH ,
REL Subwoofers. Are any of those in my price range?
Definitely make an appointment to audition the Spendor, RBH, PSB, and Focal offerings. Harbeths, and Spendors might be out of your price range but I would consider it anyways. Magnepans might be a great choice for low level listening but if you want lots of dynamic output they might be limited.

I really would consider trying to obtain auditions of Aperion, Salk, Philharmonic, JTR, EMP Tek, Ascend, to be honest. Well, you can audition RBHs, which are the guys who make EMP Tek speakers, if you're interested.

And if possible, audition center channels too. Sometimes centers suck and it's not even worth buying and you're better off with 4.1 instead of 5.1.

And yeah, two internet direct subs, no questions asked.
 
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bodine76

Audiophyte
Thanks for all the input. I still can't seem to get an answer to one question: are the Def Techs good speakers? I am sure there are better choices, but in itself, are these decent? I have read some glowing reviews, but people on the forums, here and avs, don't mention them much.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Thanks for all the input. I still can't seem to get an answer to one question: are the Def Techs good speakers? I am sure there are better choices, but in itself, are these decent? I have read some glowing reviews, but people on the forums, here and avs, don't mention them much.
They would not be my first choice, but there are people who like them.
 
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cpp

Audioholic Ninja
Originally Posted by bodine76 View Post
Thanks for all the input. I still can't seem to get an answer to one question: are the Def Techs good speakers? I am sure there are better choices, but in itself, are these decent? I have read some glowing reviews, but people on the forums, here and avs, don't mention them much.
I've got some in my sunroom, the wife likes them so I bought them. They do a pretty decent job out there.
 
jliedeka

jliedeka

Audioholic General
Def Techs are fine speakers. No worries there. If you are comfortable with the price and like their sound, you shouldn't have a buyer's remorse problem.

I would also agree that ID is the best way to go for a sub short of building it yourself. I have a Hsu VTF 3.3 in my 12x16x8 living room. I get 16Hz extension at louder than reasonable levels and it's still not anywhere near breaking a sweat. You really can't go wrong with a Hsu sub although there are other choices that might be arguably better. I don't think there are many non-DIY subs that can touch Hsu for value and they all perform well.

You probably won't need gobs of power to run your speakers so I wouldn't worry too much about an amp for now. You probably won't be sending more than 50 or 60 watts to any speaker even for peaks in your room. Plus the sub will take care of the lower frequencies which need the most power so it's probably less than that.

Jim
 
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bodine76

Audiophyte
Thanks for all the input. I really appreciate it.

I did go today to the high-end audio store in my area. Everything was pretty much out of my price range. They cater to true audiophiles and sell mostly component systems and speakers I have never heard of. I did listed to a pair of System Audio speakers powered by a NAD receiver and it sounded fantastic, but north of my price range.

So, I am going to pull the trigger on the DT's. I will take the advice given and hold off on the sub and go the ID route when I am ready.

Thanks again.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Thanks for all the input. I really appreciate it.

I did go today to the high-end audio store in my area. Everything was pretty much out of my price range. They cater to true audiophiles and sell mostly component systems and speakers I have never heard of.
I'm confused. I'm positive that Focal, RBH, and PSB should have had stuff in your price range.
 
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bodine76

Audiophyte
I'm confused. I'm positive that Focal, RBH, and PSB should have had stuff in your price range.
Well, they had actualy stopped carrying PSB and RBH. The only Focal they carried were high end.
 
timoteo

timoteo

Audioholic General
I disagree that the DTs sound better than the 683s but that is nothing more than personal preference. I do agree however that DT makes a good product worth the money if you enjoy their sound.
If you plan on having the towers close to the front wall ( i think you said that) then the subs built in them will be muddy & bloated. Even pulled out off the wall they wont hold a candle to the power, flexability & dynamics of an ID brand. It seems clear you have been convinced of this already & just want to +1 the choice.
Decide on sealed or ported, come up with a budget. If you can swing dual identical subs DO IT!! if you cant get 2 at once then get the best you can affort & start saving for another. Once you go dual you'll never look back! You'll get more even bass resonce throughout the room, more headroom & less distortion. Something that really makes listening special.
If you like the DTs now then you'll like them 10 years from now if you take care of them.
Happy Listening!
 
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bikdav

Senior Audioholic
Imho

For a room and system like that, I'd probably go BIG on the subwoofer. Audioholics checked out the Rhythmik FV15HP and the HSU VTF-15H in the subwoofer section. I bet that one of those two would do the job very nicely.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
$5000 is one of those "deceptive" budgets. It's big enough that you start to picture some really nice gear, but it's also small enough that you can VERY quickly and easily go over budget!

What I really, really want to stress to the OP though is that you've got all these ideas for some pretty nice gear (it would be tough to make a downright "bad" choice with the options you're considering), but the gear is only half of the sound you will hear.

The other half is the room itself, and I haven't seen a single mention yet about room acoustics and room treatments.

Get the best speakers you can afford, but stick them in a poor acoustic environment and they're going to sound bad :( On the other hand, buy some inexpensive, good, high bang-for-buck speakers and put them in a really good acoustic environment and they'll sound better than ANY speaker in a "bad" room - no matter how much you spend!

So please, please, please give some thought and set aside some money for acoustic treatments! To start, head on over to auralex.com and take advantage of their FREE Room Analysis service! All that's asked of you is some of your time and some careful attention as you fill out the Auralex forms. It's FREE. There is absolutely no reason on Earth NOT to do this! You don't have to buy anything from Auralex. If you wind up deciding that you just don't want to spend a penny on room treatments, no one is forcing you. But this is an absolute "no brainer" step to take. Did I mention that it's FREE?

What you'll get back from Auralex are some basic notes about where you will most likely benefit from placing acoustic treatments and Auralex' recommendations for what type of treatment will likely work best where. Given that the free version on the service is only based on diagrams and your descriptions, this isn't a scientific recommendation based on measurements, but it's still a good "rule of thumb" guideline that will give you some basic ideas about acoustic problems that you will likely face in your room and some of the most likely ways that you can address those problems.

Perhaps most valuable of all though, it will get you to sit down and really plan and think about your room's layout and where you are going to position everything. This is a vital step and far too many people skip.

It's a free service. It's great just to get you to do some planning. It'll give you a bit of an acoustics education and some basic, fundamental tips about room acoustics. There's just no good reason not to do this!

Once you have the reply from Auralex, look for three main types of treatments that Auralex will recommend. Naturally, Auralex will recommend their own products (duh :p ), but there are cheaper and more effective products of the same type from other brands. You're going to see:

1) Bass traps - almost certainly the first and most important room treatment to add. The wall-wall-ceiling corners of the room are pretty much always the first place to put bass traps, with all corners and edges being the secondary locations as well as potentially the rear wall behind the listening position.

2) Absorption panels. It is technically possible to "solve" all acoustic issues with bass traps and absorption. The only thing is that an overly "damped" room will sound "dead" and "lifeless". But if you want clarity of sound and maximum resolution, absorption at the first reflection points is almost certainly a good idea.

Whereever the sound is going to bounce off of the wall, ceiling or floor from the speaker to your ears is a likely candidate for absorption. I'm also a fan of using quite a bit of absorption on the front wall so that the sound coming from the front three speakers is as direct and free of early reflections as possible.

3) Diffusion panels. Diffusion is often the "last piece" of the acoustic treatment puzzle. While all problems can technically be solved with absorption alone, diffusion allows you to keep the "sound energy" present in the room, but still eliminates the echoes and reverberations that "muddy" the resolution of your music and movies.

What a lot of people will do is use absorption on the walls, but use diffusion on the ceiling in order to keep that "live" and "energetic" sound in the room. Personally, I'm a fan of using absorption at the front of the room (front wall, side walls and ceiling), and then diffusion at the back of the room so that I get a super-clean sound coming from the front speakers, but a "livelier" sound in the listening position.

Then again, I'm mostly a movie fan, and having diffusion at the back and absorption at the front really works well for movies because it "spreads" the sound of the surround channels, but "focuses" the sound of the front soundstage. For a mostly music system like yours, you might prefer the absorption on the walls, diffusion on the ceiling setup more ;)

So you'll see those three main types of acoustic treatments recommended in Auralex' recommendations. What's really nice about the Auralex service is that they will prioritize for you. They'll point out the most vital treatments, then the treatments that are important, but not vital right away, and finally the treatments that are "nice to have" but not totally necessary. You can thus budget accordingly :)

Take those Auralex recommendations and check out gikacoustics.com and acoustimac.com. When it comes to highly effective and very affordable acoustic products, no one, not even Auralex, is going to beat those two companies.

If you're worried about looks, both Gik and Acoustimac offer "Art" panels. You can literally have them print ANY image you like on the panels. When it comes to WAF, this is a HUGE selling point. The wife usually wants to put art up on the walls anyway. So why not kill two birds with one stone? She can get any artwork that she wants. And you can get your acoustic treatments! Definitely go with Acoustimac for the Art panels. They offer lower prices and far more sizes to choose from than Gik.

What Acoustimac does not offer are diffusion panels. Gik's got you covered there. Auralex also has some good diffusion options - especially if you need to save space. The thin Auralex diffusors will only work at high frequencies, so the Gik diffusion panels are better in function. But the large size can be a problem for placement and the Auralex products will still help while being easier to place.

For bass traps, I really like Gik's offerings, but Acoustimac has some good options too.

Finally, Auralex should definitely get at least $50 from you. Not just because you'll be using their free analysis service, but because a SubDude, GRAMMA or Great GRAMMA subwoofer isolation riser is an absolute "must have" IMO. There's been a lot of recommendations already for some great subs. But what good is a great subwoofer (or a pair or quad subwoofers ;) ) if the wife is always complaining that the thumping is bothering her in other rooms? Or worse yet, you get angry neighbor complaints?!

Decoupling your subwoofer is vital and a no-brainer IMO. It's super simple. The Auralex SubDude/GRAMMA are affordable and very effective. You stop the structure-borne sound transmission that happens whenever you put a subwoofer directly on the floor and you dramatically cut down on the annoying "thump, thump, thump" in other rooms or your neighbor's house! It's not a panacea for bass problems, but it's a great help and ought to just be included with EVERY subwoofer purchase in the world IMO!

So I hope this post will help encourage you to give room acoustics some thought. It might take away some funds from your gear budget, but it's WELL worth it. $5000 can be tricky, because spending something like $1000 of that on room acoustics can seem like a tough pill to swallow! But $1000 speakers in an acoustically treated room will beat $2000 speakers in a non-treated room every time! So it's VALUE for your money. And those room treatments will stay with you forever. And continue to improve the sound of ALL the gear that you buy for the rest of your life :D
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
So I've done my super-long rant about room treatments...now let's talk about your gear choices!

One of the reasons why Def Tech's bi-polar speakers are not often recommended by audio enthusiasts is because they just don't jibe with the "normal" ways of placing room treatments. They depend on reflections off of the front wall and the side walls to give them their signature "big" sound. In a room like mine where the front wall is covered in absorptive panels, the corners are bass trapped and the side walls and ceiling have absorption panels at the reflection points, that bi-pole design just isn't going to work!

So the problem with Def Tech's speakers is that they are unpredictable. They might sound great in one room, but terrible in another. It's all going to depend on how all those early (intentional) reflections sum together and reach your ear. Personally, I'm just not a fan of having it be such a crap-shoot. And if clarity and resolution are your goals, the bi-pole design just isn't going to deliver in the long run.

There's also the issue of those built-in subs. Bass is a really difficult thing to handle in any room. Bass frequencies have long wavelengths and considerably more energy than higher frequencies. Thus, they interact much more with the room and the end result is that the best position for your bass is often not the same as the best positioning for your higher frequencies in order to get the best imaging, clarity and focus.

Again, in some rooms, it'll work very well. Many people fantasize about having "full range" speakers all around. But, in reality, it makes much more sense to have a pair (or quad) subwoofers handle all of the bass frequencies while speakers positioned for best imaging and clarity handle everything from 80Hz on up.

So are Def Tech speakers a good idea for you? The only answer I can give is - maybe. You might like how they sound in your room. Then again, you very well might not. You might like how they sound before you add any room treatments, but then not like them after you add even just the minimum of some bass traps in the upper corners of your room. You almost certainly won't like them if you treat the front wall and first reflection points with absorption. But if you DON'T treat those positions, you almost certainly won't get the highest resolution and clarity in the size of room that you have.

When you read about Def Tech speakers needing lots of space and working best in large rooms, it's because of all of these acoustic issues. With lots of space, those early reflections take longer to bounce off of the walls and reach your ears. That massive processor in your head that we call a brain is able to separate direct sound from reflected sound and compensate for what is technically distortion. But in a medium sized room like yours, you're going to get early reflections that are too close to the direct sound for your brain to separate. The result is "muddy" sound. And my guess is that you're not going to like the Def Tech speakers as they sound in your home the way you like them in the store.

Again, I can't say for sure. But this is the reason why you don't often see a ton of love for Def Tech except from fans who either haven't really heard anything else, or who just happen to have a room that works well with the Def Tech bi-poles rather than against them, which is just as likely an outcome.

If you like the Def Tech sound in the store, what you're probably responding to is their "big" "open" sound and their slightly mid-range/mid-bass heavy presentation of most material. The Def Tech tweeters are not resolution kings. You said yourself that you couldn't get into the Klipsch horn tweeter sound, which is pretty much the opposite of the Def Tech tweeter sound.

So RBH is probably going to tickle your fancy in an acoustically treated room. They're higher resolution than the Def Techs, but really focus on pristine mid-range. They work extremely well in a nicely treated room and predictably so.

So my vote would go to RBH in your case. The good news is that you should be able to give them a try through the local dealer that you mentioned. My guess is that, in your home, you'll like them better than the Def Techs ;)

To power those lovely RBH speakers, Onkyo is certainly not a bad choice. When it comes to bang-for-buck and features-for-the-price, it's really hard to beat Onkyo in the less-than-$1000 AVR range. That said, I almost always prefer Denon's offerings - if only because Onkyo occassionally has issues with some of their bleeding-edge features and are known to run on the hot side with occassional issues stemming from that. Onkyo's customer service is also - well - horrible. If everything in your AVR works, Onkyo's going to have the lowest price. But if something goes wrong, dealing with Onkyo tech support is a nightmare. Denon might cost you a little bit more, but their reliability is higher and it's rare to have a problem with one of their receivers. Again, I still really like Onkyo - I have an Onkyo receiver myself! But I'd certainly recommend Denon as well in that price range.

RBH's speakers aren't exactly cheap. So if budget is a problem, certainly consider their "budget" brand - EMP Tek. Again, if you liked the Def Tech sound in the store and did NOT like the Klipsch sound, I think you'd really like the EMP Tek sound - and they'll work in a mid-sized, acoustically treated room better, IMO, than the bi-pole, built-in subwoofer design. RBH offers some good in-wall and in-ceiling options too, so that plan can still work for you with the RBH/EMP brands.

For the subwoofers, in that price range and with music being a primary focus, either Rythmik or HSU is going to be your best options, IMO. Bang-for-buck, it's really hard to beat HSU's VTF-2 or VTF-3, so those likely jump to the top of my recommendation list for you.

For the TV, I'm a fan of sticking with the SMPTE recommendation, which is a 30 degree field of view. That results in a much bigger screen size than most people expect or plan for. For example, if you have a span of 10 feet from eyes to screen, a 30 degree field of view translates into a 73.8" 16:9 diagonal screen size! Your 55" consideration would translate into a shockingly short 7.45 feet from eyes to screen if you follow SMPTE guidelines!

But reality probably dictates that a 70"+ screen size isn't in the cards :p

The best TVs right now really are Panasonic's plasmas. Samsung's plasmas are getting good reviews and scores, but I'm still seeing their trademark issues of phosphor lag whenever I view them. It shows itself as a very quick and faint "ghost" image whenever there's a sudden transistion from a bright scene to a black screen. It's a fairly minor issue, but it bugs me enough that I prefer to just avoid any annoyance by watching a Panasonic instead ;)

Where a Panasonic plasma will not look better than any other display is in a well-lit room. Despite improvements, plasmas still use a glass screen, which causes reflections. But worse than that, they still wash out, turning those lovely Panasonic blacks to a dull grey. The newest Panny plasmas are better in retaining black in a lit room than older models, but it's still an issue IMO. If your room is always dim or dark when you watch, a Panny plasma is DEFINITELY the way you should go! But if you mostly watch with lights on or during the day, I think you'll eventually be bugged by the slightly "washed out" look of the Panny and you'll miss out on the truly impressive, deep black levels that turn grey under lights.

So if you have more than dim or dark viewing in mind, go with the only good option - a local-dimming, LED backlit LCD with a MATTE screen. Unfortunately, all current LCD models use these terrible super-glossy screens these days! The glossy screens render all current LCD's useless IMO. You have to be in pitch blackness to avoid seeing your own reflection staring back at you! And if you're going to be in pitch blackness, you might as well spend less and get a way better picture from a Panasonic plasma!!!

So what to do? Well, you reach back in time and get yourself a Vizio XVT553SV. Now, I know what you might be thinking, "Vizio?! Is this guy serious?"

Yes! Yes I am. The Vizio XVT553SV remains the best LCD available today. Every other LCD is rendered useless by its super-glossy screen. I hate the trend. I hate the fact that all of Vizio's newest XVT3D models use glossy screens too! But the XVT553SV is still out there. And if you have a lit room, it's absolutely your best choice. Go Panny plasma if your room is dim or dark. But go Vizio XVT553SV if it's lit. Simple as that ;)

Don't go Sony. Glossy screens, blacks that are tinged blue, ridiculous user controls that make it impossible to dial in an accurate picture, and over-priced.

So I hope this helps! Remember:

1) Auralex FREE room analysis
2) Auralex, GikAcoustics, Acoustimac for room treatments.
3) Auralex SubDude/GRAMMA for your subwoofer(s)
4) Panny plasma if your room is dim or dark when you watch.
5) Vizio XVT553SV if your room is lit.
6) Nothing wrong with Onkyo - great features-for-price, but some slight worries about potential issues and crappy, crappy customer service :p
7) Denon's a touch more expensive, but better service and reliability.
8) Probably an HSU subwoofer (or better yet, two :p )
9) I think you'll really like RBH or EMP speakers - especially in an acoustically treated room over Def Tech.
10) Enjoy the heck out of your new, awesome system! :D
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Figured I'd break down some pricing for everyone :)

Likely acoustic treatments:

4x Acoustimac 4' x 2' x 4" DMD bass traps = $280
2x Acoustimac 4' x 2' x 2" ArtPanels = $458
4x Acoustimac 4' x 2' x 2" DMD 422 Panels = $200
4x Gik 2' x 2' GridFusor Diffusors = $200
+ shipping

Totals up to about $1300 for a nicely treated room that looks great and sounds better!

I'm going to bet that you watch with lights on and that the Vizio XVT553SV is going to wind up as the better display for you:

Vizio XVT553SV = $1200 refurbished via Walmart or Tigerdirect, $1500 new via Walmart ($1600 new at Amazon)

Call it $2800 for TV + room treatments.

Onkyo TX-NR709 receiver (I'm a fan of having pre-outs so that you can add a separate amplifier in the future if you want to. The 700 series has historically been Onkyo's most reliable model line, other than the 1000, 3000 and 5000 series. Price varies, but expect about $650 (current price on Amazon and 6th Ave Electronics).

Sub-Total = $3450

Auralex GRAMMA isolation riser = $50 (Amazon)
HSU Research VTF-2 MK3 = $570 shipped

Add a 2nd VTF-2 MK3 and Auralex GRAMMA when budget allows ;)

Sub-Total = $4070

1x EMP Tek E5Ci Center speaker = $220
2x EMP Tek E5Bi Bookshelf speakers (for surrounds) = $250
2x EMP Tek E55Ti Large Tower Speakers = $795

Grand Total = $5335

Okay, so my suggested system went a little over budget :p But it includes shipping, which is often overlooked! And there are ways to drop the price a bit:

1) If you can live with the solid colors rather than the ArtPanels, the price for the room treatments drops by $350!

2) You could get a less expensive receiver, although the Onkyo 709 hits a super nice sweet spot in features, IMO ;)

3) You could opt for the smaller EMP Tek E5Ti towers for the front, although with a primarily music system and you room size, the larger E55Ti towers are the way to go IMO.

4) You could drop the Gik Diffusion panels - add them later or use a less expensive (but also less effective) diffusion option from Auralex.

5) You could look for a better price on the TV - especially if you're willing to buy a refurbished one, which drops the price by $300 and puts you pretty much right on budget!

6) If you've got a dim or dark room, the Panny plasma prices will vary depending on model and size.

Bottom line though is that you can get a pretty killer system that INCLUDES a good amount of important room treatments for very close to your $5000 budget!

I worked it out because I'm sure there are several other people in this same price bracket looking for something very similar ;)
 

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