Is There Anything?

[speakerman39]

Folks, as some of you know I made the move to get away from TWC. As such, I bought a Roku Premiere Plus device that I primarily use for Sling TV. But, my 43" TV is somewhat a 4K set. However, my AVR can NOT pass a 4K signal and is NOT HDCP 2.2 compliant.

So my question is if I run the Roku directly to a 4K input on my TV (instead of through my AVR) how will I get sound to my setup? I am aware that the sound would play through my TV, but not through my setup. Thus, my TV does have Optical out and I am aware that I can connect that to my AVR. But, am I really missing out since the sound is not coming via the 4K HDMI? In other words, am I missing out by not being able to fully use the 4K HDMI along w/a 4K signal routed through my AVR? Or, will the Optical out still work quite well?

Have been looking at some 4K HDMI splitters. But, all pass audio AND video. Are there any out there that will have at least one output that only passes audio? Would like to get a better picture w/my Roku, but don't want to lose too much on the audio side of things doing so. Not even sure something like this is even made. Please help. Thanks!

Cheers,

Phil

 

[mtrycrafts]

Well, the optical will pass, or should pass DD and DTS but not the hi-def audios. Try it and see.
Does the TV have an HDMI out that may work with the receiver for audio but you have to activate the audio in the TV but I forgot what that is called.
This has been posted here before and I don't use it so is not on the hard drive.
Plus this hard drive is not brand new

 

[shadyJ]

I like the title question better "is there anything?" as a broader philosophical query. It's actually a difficult proposition to prove. Even Descartes wasn't really able to tackle it correctly with his declaration 'I think therefore I am', since he assumes his own premise in that he presumes it was he who thinks rather than something else.

 

[lovinthehd]

I also expected something more Phil-osophical on this first day of the year.

I'd also try the optical and see if lossy 5.1 floats your boat sufficiently....

 

[speakerman39]

Well, the optical will pass, or should pass DD and DTS but not the hi-def audios. Try it and see.
Does the TV have an HDMI out that may work with the receiver for audio but you have to activate the audio in the TV but I forgot what that is called.
This has been posted here before and I don't use it so is not on the hard drive.
Plus this hard drive is not brand new

No HDMI out only HDMI in. It does have an Optical out. Was hoping to fins something that would work similar to the Samsung 4K BR player. Here is a link:

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_305BDK8500/Samsung-UBD-K8500.html?tp=171#&gid=1&pid=2

Notice that the Samsung has dual HDMI outs w/one labeled "sub"/audio only. That is an audio out only via HDMI. So, I was hoping to find a 4K HDMI splitter that has at least dual outs- one of which is audio only. Not sure if there is such a device made or not? So far, have NOT found any. Maybe Optical out is not so bad, no? Thanks!

Cheers,

Phil

 

[speakerman39]

I also expected something more Phil-osophical on this first day of the year.

I'd also try the optical and see if lossy 5.1 floats your boat sufficiently....

Yeah I will. Who knows it may not be so bad. Worse things have happenned. Just wished there was a 4K HDMI splitter that had (2) outputs one of which passed audio ONLY over HDMI. Not finding anything. But, I can not afford to buy a new AVR that is HDCP 2.2 compliant. So, I am stuck with what I got. Thanks!

Cheers,

Phil

 

[lovinthehd]

Yeah I will. Who knows it may not be so bad. Worse things have happenned. Just wished there was a 4K HDMI splitter that had (2) outputs one of which passed audio ONLY over HDMI. Not finding anything. But, I can not afford to buy a new AVR that is HDCP 2.2 compliant. So, I am stuck with what I got. Thanks!

Cheers,

Phil

I'm not a Roku (or splitter) guy but they eliminated all other audio interfaces but hdmi?

 

[lovinthehd]

Well, the optical will pass, or should pass DD and DTS but not the hi-def audios. Try it and see.
Does the TV have an HDMI out that may work with the receiver for audio but you have to activate the audio in the TV but I forgot what that is called.
This has been posted here before and I don't use it so is not on the hard drive.
Plus this hard drive is not brand new

You mean a tv with an HDMI ARC port? Might be a thought if his avr supports ARC but then ARC doesn't pass any better audio than optical anyways....

 

[speakerman39]

I'm not a Roku (or splitter) guy but they eliminated all other audio interfaces but hdmi?

You know Chris I never even looked to see if there is an Optical and/or Digital Coax out on the Roku.....LOL!!!!! Guess, I need to do that eh? If nothing else, my 4K TV does have Optical. So, either way I am covered. Guess it would not make any difference anyways using Optical from either the Roku or my 4K TV right?

Cheers,

Phil

 

[lovinthehd]

You know Chris I never even looked to see if there is an Optical and/or Digital Coax out on the Roku.....LOL!!!!! Guess, I need to do that eh? If nothing else, my 4K TV does have Optical. So, either way I am covered. Guess it would not make any difference anyways using Optical from either the Roku or my 4K TV right?

Cheers,

Phil

I looked at a pic of the available ports (saw hdmi, ethernet & the dc power port) but if there is an optical port there yes you could use that directly to the avr. Only issues perhaps are lipsync related as a guess...

 

[speakerman39]

I looked at a pic of the available ports (saw hdmi, ethernet & the dc power port) but if there is an optical port there yes you could use that directly to the avr. Only issues perhaps are lipsync related as a guess...

Man I can not stand lyp sync issues. Hope it is not too bad of an issue. Guess, I will know soon enough. Thanks!

Cheers,

Phil

 

[mtrycrafts]

One more idea though.
Does Roku send the hi def audio? By the same token, who sends it with a program for Roku to pass on?

My other thought is the BD player. Does yours have two HDMI out like the Oppo? You could send the HDMI from Roku to the BD player and if it has the two hdmi outs, one to TV the other to the receiver for audio.
But then, you have an extra component on just to watch your programs from Roku.
Another experiment.

 

[mtrycrafts]

You mean a tv with an HDMI ARC port? Might be a thought if his avr supports ARC but then ARC doesn't pass any better audio than optical anyways....

Yes, that is what I was thinking about. Still, only in ram memory.

 

[speakerman39]

One more idea though.
Does Roku send the hi def audio? By the same token, who sends it with a program for Roku to pass on?

My other thought is the BD player. Does yours have two HDMI out like the Oppo? You could send the HDMI from Roku to the BD player and if it has the two hdmi outs, one to TV the other to the receiver for audio.
But then, you have an extra component on just to watch your programs from Roku.
Another experiment.

Yes, it says Dolby Audio pass through. So, I assume it does. No, there is ONLY (1) HDMI out which I ran to my AVR. However, if I select 4K in the menu it says my device does not support HDCP 2.2 protocol. I can run the Roku directly to the 4K inputs on my 4K TV. But, then there is only the sound from my TV. However, I can run an Optical out of my TV into my AVR. Just was hoping to do that via HDMI and not Optical out. Of course, it could always be worse right?

Cheers,

Phil

 

[BMXTRIX]

You can get something like this if you want to ensure 5.1 audio:
https://www.amazon.com/AV-Access-Extractor-Converter-Amplifier/dp/B01IHBG458

It will give you the digital audio connection you need.

No, without HDCP 2.2 supported through all the connected devices, you won't get anything by using splitters or anything else. All equipment must be authenticated at that protection level.

You could always just get the Roku Pro which has digital optical output to go along with it.

I would probably sell/return/give away the Premiere + and get the Pro and just use the optical output, or start saving for a new receiver.

HDCP sucks.

 

[Mark of Cenla]

I now have almost all the sources in my living room going directly into the TV rather than to the AVR. I did this so that others could use the system more effectively. Our Sony TV has an optical digital audio out that goes to the AVR, and this arrangement works just as well as when everything was going into the AVR first. DVD, CD, and Blu-ray discs still sound great. Peace and goodwill.

 

[KEW]

I like the title question better "is there anything?" as a broader philosophical query. It's actually a difficult proposition to prove. Even Descartes wasn't really able to tackle it correctly with his declaration 'I think therefore I am', since he assumes his own premise in that he presumes it was he who thinks rather than something else.

How about "I think I think, therefore something is"?​

 

[shadyJ]

How about "I think I think, therefore something is"?​

A more defensible proposition, but I would restate it to say "thinking is occurring, therefore something is". After all, it would be difficult to have this discussion if nothing existed, however the nature of what does exist is a more ambiguous ontological matter.

 

[speakerman39]

You can get something like this if you want to ensure 5.1 audio:
https://www.amazon.com/AV-Access-Extractor-Converter-Amplifier/dp/B01IHBG458

It will give you the digital audio connection you need.

No, without HDCP 2.2 supported through all the connected devices, you won't get anything by using splitters or anything else. All equipment must be authenticated at that protection level.

You could always just get the Roku Pro which has digital optical output to go along with it.

I would probably sell/return/give away the Premiere + and get the Pro and just use the optical output, or start saving for a new receiver.

HDCP sucks.

There is no need to buy this. The reason being is that my 4K TV already has an Optical out. As such, when watching TV via my Roku my TV will send the audio to my AVR. Hopefully, it will sound okay that way. Guess, I will find out soon enough. I also agree that HDCP sucks!

Cheers,

Phil

 

[lovinthehd]

Hopefully your tv doesn't change it to 2.0 for output, some do....