Wow, everybody have a bad night??
The OP, me, never got the solution that he was origianlly looking for BACK THEN. He(me) just gave up on it after a while because he felt kind of foolish in asking the same thing too many times.(Some one on AH has a signature that refers to one of Einstein's quotes about expecting a different result after using the same exact procedure over and over again. I love that quote!) As for ZUMBO mentioning the reference I made about what happenned to me in the 80's when I used an EQ, if that is read and understood properly, it will be determined, that the reason I was given for the FRIED speakers, was total BS.(as it did say in that post) Again, you told me to get bent(Zumbo), which means FY. I even went so far as to inform you that when your nice FY message came into view, that I was just about to hit submit on a message that I had prepared in order to THANK YOU for the info on your YAMAHA AVR. The vents on those cars in the 60's(mentioned by someone else who replied), were replaced by something more efficient and less obvious, that wound up serving the same purpose for those cars. Thus making those vents obsolete. What I was looking for, was someone to show me, on an AVR offered today, that is meant for both HT use, and enjoying a quality music listening experience, where you can simply adjust the bass or treble while something is playing, without having to hit a couple of different menu functions. I have always been a firm supporter of advanced technology, and making older things obsolete because they're replacement has made it(the function that older thing performed)easier to do, and very often, eliminated a more clutterful(is that a word)appearence to the said piece of equipment. So, while those knobs were present in the "Old Days', I really can't see them appearing as a nuisance, or even better yet, an un-necessary set-of-knobs, that should be considered obsolete.(This is only my opinion as usual) One closing curiousity(to me anyway): If all that it took to adjust the Bass or Treble, was to turn one of those 2 little knobs to the right or to the left, then why is it considered better(or should I say, more convenient, or even, God Forbid, UN-necessary) to be rid of "them knobs" in favor of going through a set-up menu that then makes you choose 'speaker' levels(thats how my 875does it anyway)and then makes you set the levels with nothing playing? That is why I get a bit ruffled when I get bombarded with the words Obsolete, and un-necessary. Hey, I'm not that old either!

(not yet anyway!)
BTW, I do have a Harmony One remote, and setting a MACRO for what I keep whining about, has proven to be impossible up until now.(I am hoping I can figure out a way to do it on my Harmony One some day soon)
No more cursing me out please. (well technically I wasn't actually cursed out, just told to "Get Bent")
Remember this is a friendly Place, and I never meant to give anyone a hard time. I gave that crap up a long time ago. Was never worth the effort it cost me... All the best. Joe B.
