Is there any AVR that let's you dial it in??!!

Gimpy Ric

Gimpy Ric

Moderator
I think the OP needs new gear. Somewhere there is a remote with bass and treble controls on it. My bottom of the line Emotiva PrePro lets you adjust the sub on the fly with the remote. That changes the bass and treble at the same time -> less sub, more treble -> more sub, less treble. Simple.

Ric
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
For what it's worth, I greatly prefer the sound of my EQ'd (by my Pioneer's auto setup) system versus the flat response that I had with my Yamaha. Greatly. Night and day. I absolutely love the auto EQ on today's receivers. Not everyone will (or even can) have a perfect room - mine sure isn't.

Besides, music is all about personal taste, right? Some like rock, some like classical - some like flat, some like EQ'd. :)
I use my PEQ as well. Preference choice is the auto set-up is FLAT. I don't touch my tone controls.
 
Gimpy Ric

Gimpy Ric

Moderator
Maybe the OP needs to go to a 12 step button pushers meeting :D BTW, I've grown to like the sound of my system flat, I can't push buttons on the fly, don't need to, don't want to.

Ric
 
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Gatsby191

Audioholic
Wow, everybody have a bad night??

The OP, me, never got the solution that he was origianlly looking for BACK THEN. He(me) just gave up on it after a while because he felt kind of foolish in asking the same thing too many times.(Some one on AH has a signature that refers to one of Einstein's quotes about expecting a different result after using the same exact procedure over and over again. I love that quote!) As for ZUMBO mentioning the reference I made about what happenned to me in the 80's when I used an EQ, if that is read and understood properly, it will be determined, that the reason I was given for the FRIED speakers, was total BS.(as it did say in that post) Again, you told me to get bent(Zumbo), which means FY. I even went so far as to inform you that when your nice FY message came into view, that I was just about to hit submit on a message that I had prepared in order to THANK YOU for the info on your YAMAHA AVR. The vents on those cars in the 60's(mentioned by someone else who replied), were replaced by something more efficient and less obvious, that wound up serving the same purpose for those cars. Thus making those vents obsolete. What I was looking for, was someone to show me, on an AVR offered today, that is meant for both HT use, and enjoying a quality music listening experience, where you can simply adjust the bass or treble while something is playing, without having to hit a couple of different menu functions. I have always been a firm supporter of advanced technology, and making older things obsolete because they're replacement has made it(the function that older thing performed)easier to do, and very often, eliminated a more clutterful(is that a word)appearence to the said piece of equipment. So, while those knobs were present in the "Old Days', I really can't see them appearing as a nuisance, or even better yet, an un-necessary set-of-knobs, that should be considered obsolete.(This is only my opinion as usual) One closing curiousity(to me anyway): If all that it took to adjust the Bass or Treble, was to turn one of those 2 little knobs to the right or to the left, then why is it considered better(or should I say, more convenient, or even, God Forbid, UN-necessary) to be rid of "them knobs" in favor of going through a set-up menu that then makes you choose 'speaker' levels(thats how my 875does it anyway)and then makes you set the levels with nothing playing? That is why I get a bit ruffled when I get bombarded with the words Obsolete, and un-necessary. Hey, I'm not that old either! :eek: (not yet anyway!)
BTW, I do have a Harmony One remote, and setting a MACRO for what I keep whining about, has proven to be impossible up until now.(I am hoping I can figure out a way to do it on my Harmony One some day soon)
No more cursing me out please. (well technically I wasn't actually cursed out, just told to "Get Bent")
Remember this is a friendly Place, and I never meant to give anyone a hard time. I gave that crap up a long time ago. Was never worth the effort it cost me... All the best. Joe B. :)
 
J

jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Dear Gatsby,

Would you please consider, for me, breaking up your posts into more paragraphs. Thank you. I've probably come to the point of reading 10% of what you type, because it takes more visual effort for me personally when you have several hundred words all strung together.

You don't have to of course, but I'd appreciate it.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Hey, Joe. If you read my posts, I think that you'll see that I wasn't bashing you.

One reason to move from analog tone dials to digital controls is that AVRs now run several speakers and not just two. The EQing of speakers around the room is more complex, and it's likely that you'll want a different setting for the rears versus the front speakers. That could be accomplished on the front panel of an AVR, but people probably also like being able to do it with a remote control because they can sit in their listening position and adjust the levels. I don't know why you can't adjust the levels while listening to your music, though. I understand why you would want to do that.
 
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Gatsby191

Audioholic
Dear Gatsby,

Would you please consider, for me, breaking up your posts into more paragraphs. Thank you. I've probably come to the point of reading 10% of what you type, because it takes more visual effort for me personally when you have several hundred words all strung together.

You don't have to of course, but I'd appreciate it.
Noted. Sorry about that.
Joe B.
 
Hi Ho

Hi Ho

Audioholic Samurai
I admit that I have not invested the time and energy to read every post in this thread so my response here may be redundant but here it goes.

The fact that the Onkyo shuts off the sound when adjusting the tone controls seems very convoluted to me. I never use the tone controls on my Yamaha but I have messed with them and while they are in the OSD and there is no dedicated button or dial they are easy to access and the source continues to play while the adjustment is being made.

To answer Gatsby's original question; yes, their are AVRs that allow on the fly adjustments but nearly all of them require one to enter a menu.
 
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fmw

Audioholic Ninja
It makes little sense to argue about EQ, in my opinion. It is a subjective thing. The recording engineer used it to make the recording sound like he wanted on whatever equipment he used to monitor the mix.

If you don't like the way the engineer equalized it, then go right ahead and change it. I can't imagine why this would be controversial at all. I can promise you that whatever you hear on a commercial recording will sound different than the original performance or performances did - even if it was a live performance. Virtually every mix involves adjustments to the tracks of some sort or another.

All "flat" means is that, if you were listening to the original mix on the recording engineer's monitoring system, it would sound just like he mixed it. Beyond that, there is no right or wrong. Just bias and preference.
 
MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
It makes little sense to argue about EQ, in my opinion. It is a subjective thing. The recording engineer used it to make the recording sound like he wanted on whatever equipment he used to monitor the mix.

If you don't like the way the engineer equalized it, then go right ahead and change it. I can't imagine why this would be controversial at all. I can promise you that whatever you hear on a commercial recording will sound different than the original performance or performances did - even if it was a live performance. Virtually every mix involves adjustments to the tracks of some sort or another.

All "flat" means is that, if you were listening to the original mix on the recording engineer's monitoring system, it would sound just like he mixed it. Beyond that, there is no right or wrong. Just bias and preference.
This is so correct. I produce and basically every single channel has filters and effects on it. EQ, chorus, reverb, delay, overdrive, and on and on. I'm a big fan of TUBE filtering (love bass through warmed valves sound). Nuetral speakers are nice because they are predictable and easy to EQ to get the sound you like.

I'm not even against people using exciter processors on their home stereos if they like that.

Don't make Joe feel guilty about enjoy his music the way he wants to!
 
M

markw

Audioholic Overlord
I guess it's all a preference issue, isn't it?

The vents on those cars in the 60's(mentioned by someone else who replied), were replaced by something more efficient and less obvious, that wound up serving the same purpose for those cars. Thus making those vents obsolete.
One could say exactly the same thing about modern tone controls. After all, if I wanted just a little air, a mere twist of one window crank solved my predicament. :D

What I was looking for, was someone to show me, on an AVR offered today, that is meant for both HT use, and enjoying a quality music listening experience,...
so far, not a problem.

...where you can simply adjust the bass or treble while something is playing, without having to hit a couple of different menu functions.
Now that may be a problem. Welcome to the digital age.

I have always been a firm supporter of advanced technology, and making older things obsolete because they're replacement has made it(the function that older thing performed)easier to do, and very often, eliminated a more clutterful(is that a word)appearence to the said piece of equipment. So, while those knobs were present in the "Old Days', I really can't see them appearing as a nuisance, or even better yet, an un-necessary set-of-knobs, that should be considered obsolete
Ah, now I see. In "the olde days" there were only two channels and a ganged two-element potentiometer was all that was needed for those two channels. Can you imagine what those analog tone controls would look like today, with up to seven channels to control? ...or even if they were each individual knobs? That would be up to fourteen (14) knobs! :eek:
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
I know Emotiva has tone controls that can be adjusted at the front panel and from the remote. (as Gimpy Ric mentioned)

Depending on each listener's hearing ability, one man's 'Flat' is another's 'Not so Flat.'
We all have different hearing. Some people don't hear highs well, and need to boost that frequency, and so on it goes with bass too.

Hearing loss is a cumulative thing, so depending how many fireworks you set off as a kid, or how many loud concerts you've attended. It call comes back around to haunt you, after you turn forty or so.:D

As for vent windows. Insurance companies spearheaded their demise.
They were very popular with thieves, as an easy way to break into a car.
Insurance companies... the tail that wags the dog.
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
If you really want 'on the fly' adjustments that are fast/easy, only a dedicated DSP Equalizer is going to give this ability to you. The Behringer units suggested for example, can be programmed with multiple presets and you can just press the preset recall button, turn the dial on the front panel to select the one you desire and press a button to select/use it. Also, a powerful professional DSP EQ is going to offer far more adjustment precision/versatility as compared to the simplified filter bands included in a receiver.

-Chris
 
gmichael

gmichael

Audioholic Spartan
I am not sure about other models, but on my Yamaha RX-V2500, I can change settings on the tone control while listening to music. You can even make the adjustments without a display, but you'll have to get up and walk over to it to do that manually.
 
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Gatsby191

Audioholic
That was Great!

:D
I know Emotiva has tone controls that can be adjusted at the front panel and from the remote. (as Gimpy Ric mentioned)

Depending on each listener's hearing ability, one man's 'Flat' is another's 'Not so Flat.'
We all have different hearing. Some people don't hear highs well, and need to boost that frequency, and so on it goes with bass too.

Hearing loss is a cumulative thing, so depending how many fireworks you set off as a kid, or how many loud concerts you've attended. It call comes back around to haunt you, after you turn forty or so.:D

As for vent windows. Insurance companies spearheaded their demise.
They were very popular with thieves, as an easy way to break into a car.
Insurance companies... the tail that wags the dog.
I'm 44 going on 25(so I claim!:eek:). So while my hearing has been getting a bit "duller" for the last 4 years,(are you sure that it doesn't start at 45?:confused:) my music tastes and decision making, are still all over the place! :D Joe B.
 
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Gatsby191

Audioholic
We have a Winner!!!!!

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I am not sure about other models, but on my Yamaha RX-V2500, I can change settings on the tone control while listening to music. You can even make the adjustments without a display, but you'll have to get up and walk over to it to do that manually.
Give That Man a CIGAR!!!!!!! I really wish I could do the same exact thing on my Onkyo.:(
I may have to part with my beautiful 875, and become a Yammy man now. I guess worse things have happenned. Well, I will most likely be taking bids on an EXTREMELY well cared for TX-SR875 that's been "pushed" very rarely. I've had it since last September(pretty sure), and it sat in it's box for 2 months while we finished my Home Theater.
Next question: What Yammy AVR(with the tone controls you mentioned) will do what my 875 can do, and have the same WPC or close to it?(the 875 is 140 WPC X 7 channels)
Thanks everyone! :) Joe B.
 
Nomo

Nomo

Audioholic Samurai
I'm not sure how happy you'll be messing with the tone controls on an HT receiver.
The Parametric EQ does a pretty good job of equalizing a room. Conversely the tone controls do a equally good job of counteracting what the PEQ did. Not in a good way.
 
Nomo

Nomo

Audioholic Samurai
One altrnative:
The Yamaha 1800/3800/1900/3900 have memory presets that can be retreived with the push of a couple of buttons.

These memories hold info on EQ settings as well as just about everything else.
It would be possible to set up 4 "on the fly" settings, and another 4 which are further into the menu, that could accomidate your various tastes.

Just a thought.

As Markw said: Welcome to the digital age. Change is not always for the better.;)
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
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Give That Man a CIGAR!!!!!!! I really wish I could do the same exact thing on my Onkyo.:(Joe B.
I told you the same thing in post #3 in this thread. I would assume this would make my frustration understandable, seeing as how it took 35 posts for you to figure it out.

My Yamaha has bass and treble (on the fly) adjustments.:confused: It also offers an adjustable EQ. I don't use them.
 

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