Is there any AVR that let's you dial it in??!!

[Gatsby191]

I have(had) always been a music listener(movies and concert videos too), that likes to dial things in(adjust the bass and treble) so they sound(to me)just the way I like it. And, I am not talking about running back and fourth to my subwoofer to adjust it everytime a different song comes on. Dialing in the treble, and the bass(seperately), while a song is playing, is very essential to me, and with all the advanced technology that we now have in all of the AVRs out there today, it just seems so ridiculous that one cannot do a simple "on the Fly" adjustment to whatever he or she is listening to at the time they are listening to it. Yes, you can get yourself an EQ, but that just seems crazy to me, and it's just another piece of gear that you'd have to invest in when all you wanted was to be able to adjust the bass or treble on only your AVR whenever you felt like it. I think it would just make total common sense that all of the different sound modes and surround formats on the top AVRs today would be able to have the bass and treble dialed in at will while something is playing, instead of having to do it as a permanant setting in a different set-up menu, and then only being able to change the bass or treble if you exit out of whatever you are listening to at the time and play "guess your best" in that different set up menu before you return to whatever it was that you were playing so you can hear what it sounds like after you made your changes instead of WHILE YOU WERE MAKING THEM!(that's nuts!!). I remember when I ended up frying a pair of Pioneer Studio monitors(speakers obviously) back in the 80's because I had hooked up and ADC Sound Shaper Plus(EQ that was suppose to be the best one on the market at the time) to my Onkyo Amp.(think it was a "567' or "8067"-4 channel amp at 85 WPC) I put a CD on, and slid the slide controls up on a few of the signals a bit, and everything sounded much cleaner on alot of songs.(I didn't like cleaning up every song, it was always a matter of personal preference on what ever was playimg) Anyway, after playing CDs and albums, and cassettes for a few days, I started smelling a sort of burning plastic type of a smell that was coming from my speakers one day, and I had had these speakers for a few years with no issues at all.(even after the heavy pounding they took a couple dozen times before, which always ended up making my mother just about knock my door down to get me to lower the music) Anyway, that's the day my speakers fried, and the "music died".(temporarily!) I was later told by an expert(you know, one of the guys at "Crazy Eddies" ) that my speakers fried because I was trying to boost one of the levels on CD, and when you do that, it heats up the speakers, and burns out the crossovers, and fries the woofers too. I never forgot that BS story he fed me, to this day.
Sorry I got a bit of track there. I just want an AVR(just like the one I have now) that will let me dial it in(bass or treble) whenever I want to. No display screen changes please...
Any help? Joe B

 

[bandphan]

Id re-think the eq route-multiple presets on a unit like the behringer dcx2496 and a little more than bass and treble

 

[zumbo]

My Yamaha has bass and treble (on the fly) adjustments. It also offers an adjustable EQ. I don't use them.

In modern system that have been properly calibrated with proper power, quality speakers, and adequate room treatments, a flat setting yields the best performance.

 

[zumbo]

Page 82 in the Onkyo 875 manual shows how to adjust bass and treble.

Your receiver also offers the adjustable EQ function as well. Page 91.

 

[Gatsby191]

My Yamaha has bass and treble (on the fly) adjustments. It also offers an adjustable EQ. I don't use them.

In modern system that have been properly calibrated with proper power, quality speakers, and adequate room treatments, a flat setting yields the best performance.

I have everything that you mentioned, in my home theater room. That whole FLAT concept is null and void in alot of instances.("yields the best performance". Says who?)and "best" is really an opinion too. There are no 2 RECORDINGS(DVD, DVD-A, Tape, etc...) that sound exactly the same, or should I say, exactly as pleasing, to ones ears, as the other. (EX: Beatles, Eagles, Arista label music, Columbia lable music, Joe Smoe in this recording studio,Mike Smoe in that recording studio, etc..) I have heard the whole "Flat across the spectrum",sound debate many times over. And, it will always remain a constant, even with the very best of the best audiophiles in the world, that it is not a matter of "FLAT" being what is best when one listens to music or movie soundtracks, it is and always will be a matter of what SOUNDS best to WHO EVER it is that is listening to that type of media at the time. The term FLAT in the music(media) world is necessary when it comes to reviewing the levels of something(Speakers,Media, etc..)from a totally non-biased point of view so one can give a refferable(is that a word)type of a review. And, even when a room is properly accousitically treated, and all levels are set to flat, there is no way to be positively sure that it is perfectly FLAT in that would be room. That is because a room can only SEEM TO BE Properly Accoustically treated, and the system can only SEEM to be perfectly FLAT. (Ex: Someone else comes into the room and sits beside you to listen to music with you. You move to a different spot of the room and block or add accoustic quality. etc..) Yes, I am nit picking, but the "FLAT" term, seems to get thrown around like it's no big deal on AH sometimes. IMHO Hey,I just want to be able to get IT to sound the way I like IT, whenever something is playing, and before IT is done playing too!
All the best. Joe B.

 

[zumbo]

I don't quiet understand your rant.

You asked about available receivers being able to give you bass and treble adjustments. I pointed-out that mine has this feature, along with a GEQ option.

I stated my preference for these features, which has nothing to do with your question.

Then I pointed-out that your receiver has all of the features you are claiming receivers don't have. I read your manual, and posted how you can perform these options.

And then you have the nerve to go off about my preference.

Get bent dude.

 

[Gatsby191]

No screen changes please

Page 82 in the Onkyo 875 manual shows how to adjust bass and treble.

Your receiver also offers the adjustable EQ function as well. Page 91.

Yes, you can change the bass and treble. and even have the option of an on screen EQ on my AVR. BUT, not on the fly. If you are listening to something, you are automatically taken away from it and into a different display screen, while it is playing, and as you adjust the Bass or treble, there is nothing playing out of your speakers. Once you are done making adjustments to the B&T, you then must return to the apropriate imput you were using before, and whatever it was that you had been listening to, will be playing through your speakers once again, and all the adjustments will only then be evident. Kind of defeats the purpose.
Joe B.

 

[Gatsby191]

I don't quiet understand your rant.

You asked about available receivers being able to give you bass and treble adjustments. I pointed-out that mine has this feature, along with a GEQ option.

I stated my preference for these features, which has nothing to do with your question.

Then I pointed-out that your receiver has all of the features you are claiming receivers don't have. I read your manual, and posted how you can perform these options.

And then you have the nerve to go off about my preference.

Get bent dude.

HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY. Everyone knows what "Get Bent" really refers to DUDE. And you had no reason to make that sort of gesture towards me. And I was not ranting, really. It's just seems that everytime the whole FLAT thing is mentioned on AH, it's almost as if one is looked at as a novice or a very uneducated AV enthusiast if they prefer music that is played at a listening level that is other than FLAT. I agree that one must start off at FLAT in order to determine what suits them best before they start going + or - on the different levels, or to determine how a speaker may perform when it pertains to "brightness" or "depth". And, when I said I wanted to be able to adjust those B&T levels, I did specify that I wanted to be able to it "On The Fly" more than once.
Also, your nasty "Get Bent" message came in just as I was about to hit enter on my other post that said: BTW, I forgot to say thanks for the info on the Yammy! Joe B.

 

[Adam]

I could swear that this question has been asked and answered on here before, because I answered it. I don't remember when or by whom, though, but it was likely within the past year, and I'm pretty sure that it involved an Onkyo receiver. My answer might have been the same solution as Zumbo gave for the 875, but I can't remember.

Try doing a search on this forum. With the way this thread is going, it'll probably get closed pretty soon.

 

[markw]

Let's all step back a bit.

"on the fly" can be thought of as having different meanings.

Yes, you can make bass/treble adjustments "on the fly" by getting used to the menu systems. It takes a little getting used to, but it can be done. Old Fashioned twisty analog bass/treble controls have been made obsolete by these multi-channel digital receivers, where all tone control takes place in the digital realm.

They do exist on some two-channel units if they are that important to your musical enjoyment.

While we're at it, I still miss the vent windows they had on the cars in the 60's but I've forced myself to adjust to modern times.

 

[Adam]

I could swear that this question has been asked and answered on here before, because I answered it. I don't remember when or by whom, though, but it was likely within the past year, and I'm pretty sure that it involved an Onkyo receiver. My answer might have been the same solution as Zumbo gave for the 875, but I can't remember.

Found it. It was asked by you, and I did give the same answer as Zumbo.

So, that's not going to help you. Sorry.

 

[zumbo]

Found it. It was asked by you, and I did give the same answer as Zumbo.

So, that's not going to help you. Sorry.

Best laugh I have had all day!

So two threads started about the same thing?

 

[Adam]

I took it a different way. The first thread seemed to be asking if he could adjust bass and treble, and now I think Joe is asking if he can do it while sound is still coming out of the speakers. There was almost three months between those threads, so I'd say that he tried out the first suggestion and now is looking for something that better fits his desires. I don't know if that's possible with his receiver.

 

[zumbo]

I took it a different way. The first thread seemed to be asking if he could adjust bass and treble, and now I think Joe is asking if he can do it while sound is still coming out of the speakers. There was almost three months between those threads, so I'd say that he tried out the first suggestion and now is looking for something that better fits his desires. I don't know if that's possible with his receiver.

Is there any AVR that let's you dial it in??!!

Well, judging by the title of this thread, I assumed the OP was looking for a replacement AVR due to lacking features in his own. Upon investigation, I found that the OP's receiver had the features the OP was wanting. So, as you did, I posted the pages with the information.

As anyone can tell, it turned into bashing my opinion of the use of these features.

 

[zumbo]

And while this seems to only be the second thread started about the same thing by the same person, the other thread linked in post #11 starts off as such;

I submitted a similar post a few months back, but the responses pretty much left me still wondering. So here I am again.

 

[zumbo]

It is also apparent that the OP should be aware of why many of these features are not to be implemented during playback. But yet, the OP wants to blame the equipment.

I remember when I ended up frying a pair of Pioneer Studio monitors(speakers obviously) back in the 80's because I had hooked up and ADC Sound Shaper Plus(EQ that was suppose to be the best one on the market at the time) to my Onkyo Amp.(think it was a "567' or "8067"-4 channel amp at 85 WPC) I put a CD on, and slid the slide controls up on a few of the signals a bit, and everything sounded much cleaner on alot of songs

 

[Adam]

And while this seems to only be the second thread started about the same thing by the same person, the other thread linked in post #11 starts off as such;

Yeah, I saw that. I even did a quick search for the other thread. Either way, though, I think that it's just a progression.

"Can I adjust the bass and treble on an AVR?"

"Yes. You can even do it with yours."

"Great, I'll try that. Oh, it turns out that I can't hear anything while I'm adjusting. Is there an AVR that will let me adjust bass and treble while listening to the material so that I can fine tune it?"​

Nothing against you at all, Zumbo. I see your viewpoint, but I just think that it's a logical series of questions.

 

[zumbo]

I would recommend this thread not be closed, as it offers a good look at another reason why a FLAT setting is preferred by so many here. And, why the features discussed are designed to be used the way they are.

 

[Adam]

For what it's worth, I greatly prefer the sound of my EQ'd (by my Pioneer's auto setup) system versus the flat response that I had with my Yamaha. Greatly. Night and day. I absolutely love the auto EQ on today's receivers. Not everyone will (or even can) have a perfect room - mine sure isn't.

Besides, music is all about personal taste, right? Some like rock, some like classical - some like flat, some like EQ'd.

 

[zumbo]

Nothing against you at all, Zumbo. I see your viewpoint, but I just think that it's a logical series of questions.

If there was a new question, it could be posted in the original thread.