Is Monster Cable worth it?

Timmy245

Timmy245

Audioholic
WOW ive done a fair bit of research and reveiwed over so many forums and i have come to realise that monster is just a total ripoff (in the sense that yes monster is a great cord but a $20 cable is just as great)
any advice for what cables i should buy then im looking for 2 HDMI a coaxial cable and a sub cable
also i live in Aus so obviously i cant buy cords internationally (i could but lots of messing around) so if anyone knows any cheaper brand cords listed above ^^ could ya let me know
cheers again
 
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MatthewB.

Audioholic General
Just go to Bluejeancable.com or Monoprice.com or Partsexpress.com you can easily buy a six foot HDMI cable for around 10.00 that is just as good as Monsters 250.00 cable in fact you should buy all your cables and speaker wires via companies like Blue Jean Cables, they are at times superior than store bought , cheaper than store bought, no taxes you have to pay like store bought and arrive in 2-3 days. I'd rather save hundreds and wait 2-3 days for delivery, then wasting my money on inflated cable prices.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
You seem to be well on your way, but I'll chime in with my thoughts :)

1) Monster Cable products are most definitely NOT worth their insanely high asking prices.

2) I will actually go further than most people here and tell you that aside from being over-priced, they are also not good. Monster Cable seems very fond of making cables with TIGHT connections. All plugs and connections (RCA, HDMI, optical, etc.) are standardized in terms of size. These are all "friction held" connections - ie. there are no clips or screws holding the cable connector on the plug, only the friction between the cable connector and the socket. So it is very important that the cable connector be the correct size to properly interface with the socket. Monster Cable makes their RCA connectors too tight and their HDMI and optical plugs ever-so-slightly too large. They claim this as an advantage, giving you a "more secure" connection. In reality, you just wind up damaging your socket. When you go to pull out the cable, you might just find that your entire RCA socket comes with it!

3) After the inflated prices and the "extra secure" plugs that damage your gear, you can add to that their disgusting business practices. "Offices" outside of the USA that don't actually exist in a physical location so that they can evade taxes. Threatening small businesses with frivolous lawsuits just for having the word "Monster" in their name. Threatening to sue small cable manufacturers for making cables with a color-coded stripe on them which supposedly infringes on Monster Cable's "trade dress" rights. It's all non-sense. It's all disgusting. And even if their products were reasonably priced and of good quality, these practices would be reason enough to avoid Monster Cable products!

4) Enough about Monster Cable. They are not worth any more time ;)

5) Others have already mentioned Monoprice.com and Bluejeanscable.com. You can add Bluejeans' subsidiary company, TartanCable.com to that list.

You mentioned you are in Australia? I'm not sure what shipping costs from monoprice et al. will be like, but even with shipping, I expect their prices will be lower than what you can find in local stores. That said, if you need a cable quickly and can't wait for shipping, you local hardware store is often a good place to look. Home Depot and the like typically carry generic brand (often RCA or Philips) cables for decent prices and they are certainly fine for hooking up your home theater system :)

6) For speaker cable, you don't have to be concerned with anything other than getting two leads of copper of a decent gauge. The lower the gauge, the thicker the wire (the gauge is just the diameter of each copper lead in fractions of an inch - so 12 gauge is 1/12th of an inch, which is thicker than 16 gauge = 1/16th of an inch, of course ;) ). In a bedroom, 16 gauge will likely be just fine. If some of your runs are upwards of 30 - 40 feet or so (could be the case with your surround speakers), then use some 14 gauge for those.

Speaker cable doesn't have to be fancy at all. Cheap zipcord or lampcord from your hardware store works perfectly fine.

7) Personally, I like to use banana plugs to connect the speaker wire to the receiver/amp. It just makes plugging and unplugging the speaker wire so much easier. For connecting to the speakers themselves though, I tend to prefer just using a bare wire connection. Banana plugs typically end up sticking out a bit awkwardly from the back of speakers. They are also not necessarily a super tight connection and can sometimes come loose or unplugged from the back of a speaker without you knowing it. So I prefer to just unscrew the binding post and use a bare wire connection to the speakers themselves.

8) There's no need to bi-wire or bi-amp your speakers. Bi-wiring (running two sets of speaker wire for each individual speaker) does absolutely nothing at all. And bi-amping (using two amps to power one speaker) obviously increases the total available power to the speaker, but you aren't at all likely to need that in a bedroom - especially with extremely efficient speakers like your Klipsch.

So...there should be a metal "jumper" that runs between the two red binding posts and a second metal "jumper" that runs between the two black binding posts. Leave those in. With the metal "jumpers" in place, it doesn't matter at all which binding posts you use when you connect the speaker wire. Just so long as you connect one red and one black, it's all good :)

The back of your receiver/amp will also have one red and one black binding post for each speaker output. Just remember to run your speaker wire so that black connects to black and red connects to red. If you happen to reverse them, there's no danger that you'll damage your speakers or anything. The sound will just be "out of phase" is all. Once you think you have everything properly wired, just run a THX DVD (Star Wars, any Pixar Movie, any other movie that says it's THX Certified on the back of the box) and use the THX Optimizer. That goes through some audio tests and gives you instructions on what to listen for to make sure that you have all of your speakers wired properly ;)

9) For recommendations on receivers/amps, right now, I have to give the nod to Denon. Onkyo is likely the value leader in terms of bang for your buck, but you have a very decent sized budget and Denon is delivering really solid performance along with a nicer user interface and the full suit of the newest Audyssey technologies right now. I'd recommend the AVR-2809CI model for your budget and room size. One thing I really like about that particular model is that it steps up to the MultEQ XT version of Audyssey, which takes more measurements, uses more advanced processing and takes better care of your bass response than the regular MultEQ without the BassXT extension to the program.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
10) Some other things to consider:

a) ROOM TREATMENTS!

So often overlooked - your room acoustics play a bigger part than any of your gear in terms of the final audio quality you will hear. So much time is spent on picking out speakers and receivers and even cables, and yet, so often, the absolute most important part of your system - the room - gets overlooked.

Use the 30/70 rule - which basically is a rule of thumb suggesting that about 30% or your room's surfaces (all 4 walls plus the ceiling and floor) should either be absorptive or diffusive.

Absorptive surfaces "suck up" sound and do not allow it to reflect back into the room. Thick carpeting, plush furniture, wall hangings, thick curtains - these are all absorptive things in your room that are often easy to replace and integrate in a non-invasive manner. There are also dedicated products, of course, but they tend to look "out of place" at first since they typically come in the form of foam or fibreglass panels.

Diffusive surfaces "scatter" sound. Big, leafy plants, bookcases or DVD cases with the books or DVDs arranged so that some are sticking out, anything curved or jagged - these are all diffusive surfaces. They still reflect sound, but in a much more random manner than a flat, hard surface.

Basically, you just don't want lots of hard, flat, uninterrupted surfaces in your room. These act like "sound mirrors" that cause echos and reverberation in your room and ultimately make dialogue difficult to understand and make music sound muddy and indistinct. Particular places to watch out for are the side walls and ceiling and floor half way between you and your front three speakers. These are the "first reflection" points and they are the loudest sources of sound that are not the sound coming directly from your speakers. As such, they can confuse your ears and are responsible for most of the problems with dialogue being hard to understand or music sounding muddy. Also, directly behind your head on the wall behind you. Sound from the front speakers should "wash over" you and then "disappear". It should not come bouncing back to you off of the back wall!

b) Decouple your subwoofer from the floor! When your subwoofer is sitting directly on the floor (even on carpet), more energy than you would imagine is being transmitted directly into the floor structure. Bass frequencies travel easily and readily through wood, concrete, brick - anything your house may be built out of. And this is why you can so often hear the bass throught the entire house - even when you aren't playing it all that loud! This is called "structure-borne transmission" of the sound - meaning that the sound waves are travelling through the building structure itself, and not just the air.

Decoupling your subwoofer eliminates this common problem. To decouple your subwoofer, you just need to put something inbetween the subwoofer's feet and the floor that will absorb all of the shaking. You can google the Auralex GRAMMA, which is a $50 riser specifically made for decoupling subs and amps from floors. You don't have to use the GRAMMA though. I personally love it and think it's a fantastic product, but you can just go to the local hardware store and find something that will absorb the shaking energy. I've found that those rubber "coasters" that you put under couch legs to protect your rug work quite well. Make sure they're the rubber, softer ones though and not the metal or hard plastic ones. Another super cheap way to do it is to get those foam sanding pads. These are sort of like sand paper, but they're made of a fairly firm, but squishy sort of foam material. Just put those under your subwoofer's feet and you're good to go!

c) Power protection. You've got all of this nice gear, you definitely should protect it from surges, black outs and possible damage from something like a lightning strike.

Here again is a case where Monster Cable sells power protection products at highly inflated prices, but even worse, they once again use their "feature" of extra tight connections that can literally damage your power plugs when you go to unplug anything. AVOID Monster Cable power products!

One thing I'm a HUGE advocate for is having some battery backup for your system. Anything that uses a lamp - like your LCD TV - when you turn it off, it needs adequate time to cool off. Most keep a small fan going for a minute or two. Anything with a hard drive or anything that has volatile settings that get wiped when you unplug the device. What happens to all of these things if you get a sudden black out?

Having a small battery backup keeps power flowing - typically, only for a few minutes. But those few minutes give you time to properly shut everything off, let it all cool down properly and it gives you time to save your game or your hard drive settings. And with everything powered down to standby, even a small battery backup can often keep power flowing long enough for the black out to be resolved - keeping all of your settings intact. In other words, it's more than just power protection, it's convenience and piece of mind.

For this, I highly recommend APC power products. Go to the APC.com website and check out their large lineup of products. I use the J15 Audio/Video Power center myself and it has easily been worth its price several times over for me, but that is a very large and quite expensive unit and likely more than you'd be looking for. I'd point you towards their BackUPS systems and the ES models in particular. They are affordable, fairly small in size and perfect for a bedroom system IMO.

That should be it for now! Good luck!
 
Timmy245

Timmy245

Audioholic
Thanks so much on all of this helpful information
didnt realise there was so many things i have overlooked :S
you have definetly made my job in getting all this together anc completed a whole lot easier :D
Thanks again!
~TiM~
 
Timmy245

Timmy245

Audioholic
hey all
does anyone know of some good prices for the denon 2309 at the moment in au?
cheers
~TiM~
 
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mnnc

Full Audioholic
Entry level bang for buck...Bluejeans cable or Impact Acoustics from Parts Express. I personally use Signal Cable ic's an pc's for most of my equip which is upper-mid-fi.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
thanks for the heads up mate
by reading around im starting to realise monster is a massive business who love to rip people off BIG TIME!
Since you are down under, not sure what other cables you can select from.
But, I doubt you need to spend much even down there to get a good cable.
 

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