Is it safe to amplify the main output of a receiver...

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Denis29

Junior Audioholic
Nick250 said:
The only way to know what might sound good to you is to start auditioning. Grab you favorite CD and head out to hear every speaker you can find in your price range. Reviews are certainly helpful to perhaps narrow down the possibilities, but they are no replacement for a personal listen with your very own ears.

Nick
Yea, I'll go out to several electronics places around here, but none seem to be selling the Axioms... I'll check around. Another thing is, they will probably sound differently on my own receiver...
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
I couldn't have said this better.

Nick250 said:
The only way to know what might sound good to you is to start auditioning. Grab you favorite CD and head out to hear every speaker you can find in your price range. Reviews are certainly helpful to perhaps narrow down the possibilities, but they are no replacement for a personal listen with your very own ears.

Nick
This outta be on the masthead of this forum.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
some fine speakers are only available on the net.

Denis29 said:
Yea, I'll go out to several electronics places around here, but none seem to be selling the Axioms... I'll check around. Another thing is, they will probably sound differently on my own receiver...
Axiom is one of them.

Actually, until you get up to levels that would tax your receiver's output (which, sorry to say, isn't too high) there shouldn't be too much difference. Most of the difference you will hear will be due to the different rooms in which you listen.

The truth of the matter is t at mosttime we listen to music, it's as the one to three watt range. But, when a peak comes up, it's not unlikely that it will need ton to twenty times that power to sound clean. Try a Telarc disc with cannons or tympanis or an Eric Kunzel disc with "dinosaur footfalls" and whatnot if you want to hear what I'm talking about.

Good luck and happy hunting.
 
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Nuglets

Full Audioholic
I have never heard anything from Axiom but like you said, everything I've seen about them has been good. I have heard a few Klipsch systems, two of them were Best Buy systems, which weren't bad, but I wasn't impressed in any way. The other Klipsch system is one that I was about to buy for $500 that included an old Denon Receiver, two nice big fronts with stands, two surrounds with stands, a nice big center channel, and a 15" sub w/Passive radiator. Let me tell you...The system rocks but the only reason I had a chance to buy it is because my friend was asking me whether or not he should buy it and obviously I told him he should. He then decided that he wasn't sure so I jumped at the opportunity and after noticing how excited I was he decided that maybe he should buy it after all. Anyways, I have mixed feeling about Klipsch but based on many opinion's, the Axioms are a good buy and I think that you will benefit from them. If you need more power down the road to make them louder, you will always have the option of upgrading the receiver and/or getting an amplifier.
 
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Denis29

Junior Audioholic
After roaming around, I also discovered EPOS ELS-3, which are 4-Ohm speakers and got terrific reviews... Would 4-Ohm speakers have an advantage with my system, given that the stock speakers are also 4-Ohm rated?

I saw Paradigm Monitor3 being available at a local AV store... I'll have to give them a listen...
 
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einsteinjb

Audioholic
Denis, you need to understand that the higher the ohms number rating of a speaker, the EASIER a load it is for the amp. So a set of speakers rated at 8 ohms nominal will be easier for your receiver to drive than the stock 4 ohm speakers. In other words if it can drive 4 ohm speakers, it can always drive 8 ohm speakers.

Of course a speaker's sensitivity rating factors in too, and relates to how loud a speaker will play at a given distance and input wattage, but for the purpose of determining if a set of speakers will work safely with your amp, impedance rating is more important. 8 ohm speakers are actually much more common than 4.

I've never heard the Axioms but I'm quite sure they'll be a big step up in quality from the stock speakers with that setup. And as another poster said, they're one of many good ID brands, meaning Internet Direct -- you can't buy them in stores, only from the manufacturer's web site. These forums are full of debates about the merits of ID brands (I'm personally a big fan) vs. BM (brick & mortar) but whatever the B&M proponents say, you will generally find outstanding products at amazing prices with excellent customer service from most of your good ID brands. Also almost all of them offer 30-day in home trials. All you lose is shipping if you return them.

But I will say that much as you're attached to that Onkyo unit, you're cheating a good set of speakers by using it to drive them. Any decent speakers will sound better with a better, higher powered receiver (i.e., one that doesn't have a DVD player built in). You're already considering buying an amp and/or a set of new speakers, so why not research good inexpensive receivers while you're at it? You really can get a big step up in quality over that Onkyo unit for $200 or less. Look at the Panasonic digital receivers, or check jr.com and other sites for refurbs. You can get great deals that way. Then you just pick up any cheapo DVD player for like $60 - $80 (or even hook up your favorite game system to it that plays DVDs), plus a little roll of 12 or 14 or at least 16 gauge oxygen free copper speaker wire from parts express dot com (silly a$$ forum censoring web sites!) or Home Depot (I'm sure the wires included with the Onkyo are too thin) and you're all set.

And trust me, your headphones will sound at least as good with a new receiver as they do on the all-in-one unit.

One last thing. Please do not give any business to Bose. You need to search this forum and others for the word "Bose" before you waste a dime on any of their products. (Or just google the phrase "Bose sucks" and see how much fun you can have. :))

As for listening to speakers in showrooms, yes, go do it -- but remember, they will probably never sound as good on your low powered receiver as they will in a store powered by something decent. Just something to keep in mind.

Do have fun then. :)
 
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Denis29

Junior Audioholic
Status update...

I went to a small audio store that has Paradigm MiniMonitors v.4 and Titans v.4 for audition. The guy set me up, so I could use a clicker in my hand to compare the Titans and the Minis side by side. I played Miles Davis (horns and acoustis bass/jazz), Stanley Clarke (electric bass/jazz-rock), and Pyramaze (metal)...

Both sounded terrific to me, but the Titans sounded a bit brighter than the Minis. The Minis sounded more balanced and sophisticated overall, with amazing amount of detail.

Here's the deal. The guy wants to sell me the demo Titans v4 for 129/pair and the demo Minis v4 for 279/pair. Is that a pretty good deal on these? I'm leaning toward the Minis.

He also said he'll have the Mini v5 next week, which will go for about 379/pair. I am sure that on my receiver, the difference between v4 and v5 wont be huge, especially for the price differential.

I'm off to another store to listen to some Polks.
 
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Denis29

Junior Audioholic
Did not like the Polks at all. I listened to RTi4 and RTi6, and they just sounded cheap compared to the Paradigm Minis.

So I went back to the Paradigm dealer, where they had those Minis for sale at 279/pair, and they let me bring in my Onkyo receiver. We first hooked up the Titans v4 and then the Mini Monitors v4 - I loved the Mini's. My receiver, even with its 20-30 W per channel, was able to pump out some very satisfying volume, and the sound was absolutely terrific, from jazz to metal to rock to pop. The guys in the audio shop were really surprised with my little Onkyo receiver... For now, it's do just fine for me, and then some time much later down the line, I'll buy some real stuff.

The sound of these Mini's on my receiver blew me out of the water. I zeroed out all the treble and bass equalizer settings before playing the Mini's, and the sound was absolutely satisfying, even without having to tweak the equalizer. Wow. Needless to say, I ended up buying those, and at 279 a pair, that feels like quite the steal!

Thanks to everyone here for all the help and the patience. I'm happy camper for now :)
 
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Nuglets

Full Audioholic
As an owner of the top of the monitor line-up I can say that they make a great sounding speaker. As far as the price he is offering you, it's probably about average and you may be able to talk him down a bit. You generally won't find many amazing deals on Paradigm but in my opinion they are worth what you pay for them.
 

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