Is it really worth getting an amp over a receiver?

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yeahman68

Audioholic Intern
Hi, I'm pretty new when it comes to home theater. I was just wondering how much of a sound quality difference is present when using an amp between a receiver. Can the receiver not power the speakers as well as an amp can? My receiver is an 5.1 onkyo tx-sr304.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
Hi, I'm pretty new when it comes to home theater. I was just wondering how much of a sound quality difference is present when using an amp between a receiver. Can the receiver not power the speakers as well as an amp can? My receiver is an 5.1 onkyo tx-sr304.
There are a lot of 'depends'. What is your current setup (Speakers/Sub, room dimensions).

Amps can make a positive difference. Do you feel that you are missing something. Is it just 'not there' when you hop on the receiver volume?

I don't even think you can EQ your room with this receiver. EQ with a less than desirable room can make a SQ (sound quality) difference. The sr304 is Onkyo's baseline receiver. It has no pre-amp output so you cannot drive an external amp.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Amp vs Receiver is not as cut-and-dry as you would think.

There is no "amp" made for HT purposes as far as my memory goes.

When you say "amp", you're actually referring to two pieces, a "preprocessor" which combines "processor" which essentially takes the digital signals from the sources, separates the various channels, converts them to analog, and feeds them to a "preamp", all within in the same box.

It then needs to send the separate analog signals to a separate power amplifier or, more accurately, to several amplifiers, usually on one chassis.

So, this is actually three components on at least two chassis. Four on three if you want to add a tuner into the mix to fairly compare these to a receiver.

These combinations are capable of stellar performance but tend to cost a bundle in comparison to a receiver, which combines all these plus throws in a tuner, all on one chassis. That affords a considerable savings all around.

Modern receivers combine a heckuva lot pf processing power within their boxes and is still capable of mighty fine performance.

Unless you're really ready to make a financial commitment, a receiver is a very logical choice.

You should really be comparing at least mid-range receivers to pre-processors/power amps if you want a fair comparison.

If you want to hedge your bets, you can always get a decent receiver with preamp outputs. This allows you use it as is and, at any time in the future, you can add a separate power amp if you find your current speakers put too much of a demand on your receiver's output stages but, be aware, there are some mighty fine receivers out there.
 
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Bluesmoke

Audioholic Chief
When you have to ask whether or not to get an amp + processor, it means you're not ready for it yet.

I don't know what speakers you have, how big the room is, exactly, how many speakers you're driving etc...

The general rule of thumb is that at moderate volumes (-20-25) on receiver, 5.1 and even 7.1 should be ok, on most speakers and receivers.
 
CraigV

CraigV

Audioholic General
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yeahman68

Audioholic Intern
My room dimensions aren't very common compared to most, that is, the room isn't a square. It is sort of a 3-sided square. It is shaped like a backwards "C" because one side of the room isn't there, which means that the room isn't enclosed. However, there is a dining table in front of the subwoofer, which the top left corner. The room dimensions are about 14x7x8. The speakers face a wall that is about 6 feet in front of them, which where I listen to music. I believe that this sounds like an unsuitable place for HT and music, but it doesn't sound that bad at all to me. It is a 2.1 system by the way. I was asking about amp vs receivers because I was wondering how much better they are compared to receivers? So from my understanding, more processing is done to the music to make it sound better, which is the preamp, and an amp is simply a power source. My speakers/sub come from TSC (the speaker company). The speakers are the p6-pr's and the subwoofer is the asw-8''. However, I'm thinking about getting a pair of kef IQ5's or IQ7's, and I was wondering how much of an impact the receiver has on the sound quality because I'd hate to have speakers that only sound good on good receivers. Frankly, the music sounds good to me, but it could also be that I haven't heard better.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
I think the responses so far have pretty much summed it up. If you have a really big room and like loud music/movies, if you have inefficient speakers or they drop to low ohms or if you are a true Audioholic...you need an amp.

Mark probably said it best when he said to look at a higher line AVR and then go from there. I have found that AVRs work very well as pre/pros and you get all the fancy stuff to boot...
 
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fredk

Audioholic General
The room dosn't really sound like its that bad. Its small and you are sitting relatively close to the speakers so that reduces the power requirement.

To be clear, amps are not better or worse, they deliver more power. So the real question is whether or not you have enough power to deliver good sound at your normal listening volumes.

Here is a good link talking about power requirements. Its aimed at pro audio, but it applies to home use as well.

Here is a power calculator that you can play with to get some idea of how much power you need in your space. Note: this calculator is meant for open spaces so you need to account for the gain you get from room reclections (about 6db). Thats easy enough to do. If you are aiming for 12db of headroom to handle peaks in the music, enter 6 into the calculator. The other 6 will come from room reflections.

In my 20 x 10 x 8 room with my speakers I need about 68w per channel (two channel) to listen to music at an average level of 85db (pretty loud).
 
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yeahman68

Audioholic Intern
Thanks for all the help, guys. So far, from what i've heard, i don't really need one since I'm so close.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
According to the listed calculator; If I had 39,621 watts, I could blow up my head.
The room dosn't really sound like its that bad. Its small and you are sitting relatively close to the speakers so that reduces the power requirement.

To be clear, amps are not better or worse, they deliver more power. So the real question is whether or not you have enough power to deliver good sound at your normal listening volumes.

Here is a good link talking about power requirements. Its aimed at pro audio, but it applies to home use as well.

Here is a power calculator that you can play with to get some idea of how much power you need in your space. Note: this calculator is meant for open spaces so you need to account for the gain you get from room reclections (about 6db). Thats easy enough to do. If you are aiming for 12db of headroom to handle peaks in the music, enter 6 into the calculator. The other 6 will come from room reflections.

In my 20 x 10 x 8 room with my speakers I need about 68w per channel (two channel) to listen to music at an average level of 85db (pretty loud).
 
droht

droht

Full Audioholic
I think you really need to compare AVR to separates to know for sure. It is not just a matter of "how loud can it go?". I went through three different sets of speakers, and from an AVR (Yam RX-V659) to separates (Emotiva) and back to the same AVR. I was happy with all combinatons, but now I am a believer that separates bring something extra to the table. But all the variables obviously can matter a lot, so you need to check it out for yourself. No absolutes on this, and I would advise you to not trust anyone who claims that there are. ;)
 
walter duque

walter duque

Audioholic Samurai
Sorry wrong post.
 
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