Is Hi Fi Dead(ish)?

AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I think if you have bad speakers like iHome, Bose, or cheap generic Best Buy/ Walmart speakers, etc, nothing can save your Hi-Fi music.

But if you have Hi-Fi speakers & electronics, the most important factor is the actual original recording.

Take the album "Yo-Yo Ma Plays Ennio Morricone". It has high amount of dynamic range compression (the loudness war making music louder). Yet, the music content is so, so, so great to me and it still sounds so fabulous to me. It doesn't have to be SACD/ DVD-A o sound fabulous. In fact, I don't even listen to my SACD & DVD-A collection anymore because the contents are not as enjoyable to me.

I'm listening to this "Yo-Yo Ma Plays Ennio Morricone" album right now streaming from my iPad4 to my Apple TV/ AirPlay on my Denon AVP-A1 through my TAD 2201 speakers & FUNK 18.0 subs. Just fabulous IMO.
 
agarwalro

agarwalro

Audioholic Ninja
Man, what a loaded question. The reaponse has so many facets. Penning a complete and cogent response is like writing a mulit part editorial. Maybe this is something for Gene/Tom to tackle in detail. My opinionated rant follows :).

The court of popular opinion has proven itself to be monumentally wrong on many occasions. Even in the most egregious cases (geocentric universe, negative health effects of tobacco products use, fossil fuel use vs. global warming, etc.), the inertia exists because of an entity for whom there is considerable loss if the popular opinion changes. The entity is strongly influencing, even coercing, the popular opinion to control the situation. So, swinging the popular opinion is an exercise in frustration and futility at best, and hazardous to one's safety, at worst. That is, until forces, infallible, vociferous and unrelenting, create the impetus over time. It takes courage. without fear of repercussions. to stand against the popular opinion. The heretics will always be a relatively small band of misfits.

The budget end of the HiFi spectrum has been taken hostage by marketing shills for the consumer electronics companies. The marketing blurbs want the customer to believe that the budget 3" satellite and 8" sub will do justice to the program material. On the other end of the spectrum, high dollar HiFi has been taken hostage by snake oil peddlers. The latter folk want you to buy inch thick power connectors without presenting any verifiable data in support of their claims. The honest HiFi nut is left to convince the budget minded customer that a HTIB is not the best way to go and convince the deep pocketed consumer that the $1000/ft speaker cable, made of pure silver, isn't going to make a fig of difference. The HiFi nut is ignored by the budget minded customer and ridiculed by the "audiophile".

In terms of accessing media, popular opinion is leaning towards convenience over quality. It is easier to subscribe to a music service that spoon feeds "algorithm based suggestions" to the listener, as opposed to, spending time at a corner music store's listening station and getting recommendations from the staff. Sadly, the corner music store is all but gone and so is the knowledgably music aficionado at said store. To be fair, the streaming music services have increased access to music like never before. I will refrain from being judgmental on what construes music in popular opinion. To exacerbate the convenience over quality mindset, in the interest of keeping network bandwidth and local storage needs to a minimum, Content Providers/Distributors have made substandard audio the de facto Reference. This is leading to a whole generation of consumers who lack the acumen to appreciate high quality program material.

The state of HiFi, in general, is dire indeed. How does a small band of honest HiFi companies, customers and aficionados stem this tide towards compressed music over HTIB systems?

I call upon my experience as a youngster and my father's love for music to show the way. I remember him letting me mess around with his Canton speakers, Marantz amp and deck, Sony walkman... Oh God! did I torture the speakers and amp! So many times it shut down from being over driver, incorrectly used, shorted! One day, when I was in my teens and in the middle of my rock/rebellion phase, I listened to something awesome and asked him what it was. "That my son, is Led Zeppelin, my Son" was his response, and soon there was more Led Zep in the collection. Always encouraging my curiosity and never chastising me for errors, I can honestly say, if it had not been for my father, I'd be safe and secure on the HTIB/Bose bandwagon.

We, the HiFi heretics, need to educate and inculcate the younger listeners with what is good sound. There is no other way. If we care for this hobby, we should also care that the next generation does not lose it to other evanescent tastes.
 
A

avengineer

Banned
Manufactures say, and they should know, all the movement in audio is in home theater. Now, that's good in a way, because if somebody gets serious about HT audio, they land fairly high up the 2 channel ladder too.

On the other hand, at a recent Denon/Marantz seminar, they played us their latest 2 channel only stuff: SA-11S3 CD player, PM-11S3 amp, and Boston M25B (amazing, by the way) and M350B speakers. The intro spiel stated to us that "stereo is a very tiny market now"...and "perhaps you can use it as an add-on". Hmm. The demo was outstanding, quite impressive for stuff that isn't really "high-end", but "high-er-end". But, just to prove even THEY don't get it... in the demo room there wasn't a single seat on the center line, so nobody seated could hear a good stereo image. If you got up and moved to the center, it was spectacular, though.

Demo aside, what was interesting is that all of the big AVR companies also offer a line of stereo gear, often called "reference" or "hifi" . Their offerings do indicate the market is not gone, just tiny and misunderstood.
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
There was a movement from albums to tapes and from home systems to walkmen. But that was 30 years ago.

Music was ruined by hotmastering for jukeboxes in the 1950s. Not to mention those single-speaker portable players.

Boom boxes as home audio, and this Bose stuff coming out now in the 1970s. HiFi is obviously dead.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Its often difficult to see the good from the bad.. But look at companies like PSB, Salk, Yamaha, Denon, Emotiva, ProJect, Bryston, Classe, RBH, and I can go on and on and you guys are telling me that HiFi is dead? Please!!! Grab a cup of java and chill listening to some of you're fav tunes on your systems and enjoy. ;)
 
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