Is cable never going 4k? Are 4tv useless ?

[Kingnoob]

Why is it that they are still 720-1080i it’s not up-converting well enough for a 4k tv

So much for sports looking any good
College football is often bad looking Even on a 1080 tv
Lame cable providers don’t run 4k yet it’s been 6 years since release zzz .....

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[Kingnoob]

I guess no replies is just more proof cable sucks

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[WaynePflughaupt]

From the sound of the article, it seems to me like 4k is a lost cause. The article is a year old, and from what I can tell not much has changed.

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Wayne A. Pflughaupt

 

[Teetertotter?]

@Kingnoob There are 4K TV's with Up Scaling that are BETTER than others. I have Directv, Satellite, and picture quality is exceptional for us. Landline cable, maybe your issue??? Very few broadcasts in 4K, these days. Perhaps cost of equipment upgrade too. I have no complaints with DIRECTV in 1080i and my TV's, upscaling. My AVR has upscaling too, b/4 it reaches the TV, put has to be turned on.

Here is a viewing distance chart: TV Size to Distance Calculator and Science - RTINGS.com For whatever size your TV, move the slides.

 

[Kingnoob]

@Kingnoob There are 4K TV's with Up Scaling that are BETTER than others. I have Directv, Satellite, and picture quality is exceptional for us. Landline cable, maybe your issue??? Very few broadcasts in 4K, these days. Perhaps cost of equipment upgrade too. I have no complaints with DIRECTV in 1080i and my TV's, upscaling. My AVR has upscaling too, b/4 it reaches the TV, put has to be turned on.

Here is a viewing distance chart: TV Size to Distance Calculator and Science - RTINGS.com For whatever size your TV, move the slides.

At & t u verse . It only looks good on my old Sony 40” 1080 tv , looks bad even on panny plasma and Sony 55X810C 4K TV ...maybe it’s bitrate is compressed?

I don’t have enough money to justify buying a newer tv just for hoping it up conversation better .
I need a new receiver first and I must have missed all the sales prices. This one looks ok but not too good https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-7-2-ch-with-dolby-atmos-4k-ultra-hd-a-v-home-theater-receiver-black/6219445.p?skuId=6219445
Until there’s a big sale I’ll just use my trash’s Yamaha receiver... bass is shot

Entry receivers?

Nothing on sale is it bad time of year ? Last time I got an amp everything was on sale ... wtf ?? https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/yamrxv385bl/yamaha-rx-v385-5.1-ch-x-70-watts-bluetooth-a/v-receiver/1.html...

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Not sure if a new amplifier is worth it until big sales occur .
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[MR.MAGOO]

of course cable will go 4K! How else can cable providers push infomercials, and other nonsense unless they have the bandwidth? But a 4k slam bam action movie? No way!

 

[Teetertotter?]

@Kingnoob, we had U-verse up until a year ago, and switched to Directv. My wife's 5 year old smart 50" TV, HD picture for sports and regular programing, is pretty nice with picture adjustments. But, AT&T DTV Satellite, does give you a better picture. Live programing on hers is really good to. But you and I may have different picture opinions?

I stream Netflix in 1080p and some DTV on DEMAND, in 1080p, my picture is even more detailed on my 4K, UHD, HDR. Almost 4K. With live sports....etc., my picture and detail are superb. Yes, I have watched 4K movies on Roku/Netflix. I would not pay for it!

 

[Kingnoob]

@Kingnoob, we had U-verse up until a year ago, and switched to Directv. My wife's 5 year old smart 50" TV, HD picture for sports and regular programing, is pretty nice with picture adjustments. But, AT&T DTV Satellite, does give you a better picture. Live programing on hers is really good to. But you and I may have different picture opinions?

I stream Netflix in 1080p and some DTV on DEMAND, in 1080p, my picture is even more detailed on my 4K, UHD, HDR. Almost 4K. With live sports....etc., my picture and detail are superb. Yes, I have watched 4K movies on Roku/Netflix. I would not pay for it!

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My tv only few years old but it does not look as good as it’s rating says it is ...
collecting dust in basement right now in a box ... probably most disappointing $1100 I ever spent . Today similar models are like half the price ...
even with Blu-ray’s they often looked unusual or bad . Some were good
as long as we have u verse it won’t be used, I don’t watch enough Netflix to use it for just that .

I’d rather use it due to being double the size ..
4k TVs are junk imo.. I don’t plan on getting another for a while .

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[Teetertotter?]

Ya, it appears you will need replacement TVs, that will meet your expectations. That AT&T forum is 5 years old. There are TV's and Tv's like there are Doctors and Doctors. Then the different TV model grades.
Is your U-Verse receiver "Display setting set for 4K? Is the TV resolution setting at 1080p, for example. Go in and check both settings. Good luck

 

[highfigh]

TVs upscale- let it do its job, just like they did before people upgraded their DVD/BD players and streaming devices.

 

[Kingnoob]

Ya, it appears you will need replacement TVs, that will meet your expectations. That AT&T forum is 5 years old. There are TV's and Tv's like there are Doctors and Doctors. Then the different TV model grades.
Is your U-Verse receiver "Display setting set for 4K? Is the TV resolution setting at 1080p, for example. Go in and check both settings. Good luck

Only goes up to 1080i and it’s often compressed so it looks more like 720 ..
For a $1070 tv it sure was trash
I’ll avoid Sony TVs from now on .

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It could be that cable just looks terrible regardless of which 4k tv you use .
No companies broadcaster in 4k yet

Wi-Fi streaming isn’t too good either but still better then cable .


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[stalag2005]

Bandwidth Required For HD FHD 4K Video Streaming

This article explains the basic of HD, FHD 4K resolution and also brief the bandwidth required for HD FHD 4K video HD 3Mbps, FHD 6Mbps, 4K 30Mbps

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The above article shows the problem. H264 uses 24 Mhz per channel and H265 uses 12 MHz. The old NTSC analog standard used 6 MHz/channel bandwidth with a guard channel to keep the channels from bleeding into each other. The problem is that to send 4K signals down the wire would require massive reallocation of the bandwidth and a total redesign of the head ends to even make that feasible. It would necessitate a ground up redesign of their entire physical infrastructure to do it using copper. Fiber is the wave of the future, but you have to have fiber run to each dwelling to make this a reality. It would still need a redesigned head end, but fiber has way more bandwidth than the copper lines currently in use. The retrofit to fiber would cost 100's of billions to implement across all the cable companies. As much as the cable companies earn, a very significant amount of the collections go to the RIAA and MPAA members including the broadcast networks and they would be forced to also upgrade or upvert their content as well. At this point, unless a congressional mandate ordering the adoption with billions of fines for non compliance, IMHO nothing will be done. And the fines would have to be joint and several liability for all stake holders including the networks forcing them to cough up the dough if they take too much to make it happen quickly.

 

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An external tuner box will be needed as most 4K TVs don't have the OTA tuner built-in.

 

[WookieGR]

cable.. what's that?

 

[Kingnoob]

Bandwidth Required For HD FHD 4K Video Streaming

This article explains the basic of HD, FHD 4K resolution and also brief the bandwidth required for HD FHD 4K video HD 3Mbps, FHD 6Mbps, 4K 30Mbps

www.synopi.com

The above article shows the problem. H264 uses 24 Mhz per channel and H265 uses 12 MHz. The old NTSC analog standard used 6 MHz/channel bandwidth with a guard channel to keep the channels from bleeding into each other. The problem is that to send 4K signals down the wire would require massive reallocation of the bandwidth and a total redesign of the head ends to even make that feasible. It would necessitate a ground up redesign of their entire physical infrastructure to do it using copper. Fiber is the wave of the future, but you have to have fiber run to each dwelling to make this a reality. It would still need a redesigned head end, but fiber has way more bandwidth than the copper lines currently in use. The retrofit to fiber would cost 100's of billions to implement across all the cable companies. As much as the cable companies earn, a very significant amount of the collections go to the RIAA and MPAA members including the broadcast networks and they would be forced to also upgrade or upvert their content as well. At this point, unless a congressional mandate ordering the adoption with billions of fines for non compliance, IMHO nothing will be done. And the fines would have to be joint and several liability for all stake holders including the networks forcing them to cough up the dough if they take too much to make it happen quickly.

So yes 4k TVs are a pointless innovation, except for theaters .

ahh I see isn’t 4k only twice the resolution?
So unless you only stream then 4k TVs are trash ? Cable is a joke you need to buy each channels streaming program instead..
So sports , and everything on tv you need a old 1080 tv for. ??

I wonder if you get used to blurry picture after so long ??

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[NINaudio]

So yes 4k TVs are a pointless innovation, except for theaters .

ahh I see isn’t 4k only twice the resolution?

Well 4k TV's work well with 4k blu-rays.

And I'm pretty sure we've been over this resolution question of yours before, but here is the info again:

4k has twice the vertical lines and twice the horizontal lines as 1080p. You need four 1080p tv's to have the same number of pixels as one 4k tv. So yes, while horizontal and vertical resolution are each "only" doubled, overall the number of pixels are quadrupled.

 

[Kingnoob]

Well 4k TV's work well with 4k blu-rays.

And I'm pretty sure we've been over this resolution question of yours before, but here is the info again:

4k has twice the vertical lines and twice the horizontal lines as 1080p. You need four 1080p tv's to have the same number of pixels as one 4k tv. So yes, while horizontal and vertical resolution are each "only" doubled, overall the number of pixels are quadrupled.

I think normal Blu-ray look much better on my plasma then 4k did on that Sony led tv .
I blame hhgreg for selling me a bad tv or something... glad those bums went out of buisiness f them .

Even worse they have no resale value .

Still mad I didn’t go to best-buy and buy a cheaper lg model.
Maybe I’ll just use my lcd tv until it goes bad ?? Sucks it’s only 40”... wish ida bought a 50”

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Despite not being a xbr the picture is better

I’m mad I didn’t buy another good 1080 tv before the format died .
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[Kingnoob]

Maybe I’ll just wait until tvs are better at upconverting.
Even direct tv is mostly 1080i , only 3 premium 4k channels that’s it .

Wonder if tcl are reliable? Why is it so heavy for a tv ?? 78 pounds near twice the weight of Sony 55...
How do people get it so cheap one review said $800 sale once

Maybe in a year or two they will be cheaper .

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/tcl-65-class-8-series-led-4k-uhd-smart-roku-tv/6377895.p?skuId=6377895

Might as well buy an oled mini led are expensive!

Cable will never be 4k until 8k-16k is standard probably keeping themselves a generation or two behind .

I’ll try and stop crying over a bad purchase....
if only I quit watching cable and had a gaming system it might be useful for that .
O well probably won’t happen until they cancel u verse .
Ps5 are super hard to find , but I want one someday .

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TCL's 8-series 4K TV is a great value for a premium set..

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Oddly U verse also looks bad on this tv that Blu-ray’s look amazing on . DVD look ok but not as good .

Maybe cable is too compressed ?
Gotta be a way to make it look good on a 4k set ...!!
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