Iran agrees to Nuke Deal

[Nemo128]

Quite a double standard you have there...

Double standards are what make us the greatest nation on earth. Where have you been?

We want to "bring peace" to other countries' divided population while our own is still in a perpetual war with itself over differences. We want other countries to decrease their stockpile of weapons while we continue to develop and purchase more of them. We want other countries to better serve their people and provide the ability to eat and cloth their children while we continue to spit on the poor and deny opportunity to the less fortunate, all while at least 40% of our population is all for it.

Are you equating the US to a convicted criminal? Or, is that a perception issue?
I guess Dresden should not have been bombed either? Or, the whole WWII should never have started in the first place?

Nope. The US was never convicted. It helps when you've got the most money and power. You can draw all the criticism the world wants to throw at you, none of it sticks.

Dresden is still very debatable, but yes, the world would certainly be better off if WWII never happened and more importantly it never had a reason to occur in the first place. Our involvement became a necessity, it beginning in the first place (no fault of this country) did not have to happen, but that's what happens when those haboring hatred come to power.

I still stand by the belief that becoming as the monster to defeat the monster makes one no better than the monster, which is my issue with the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If anything, it is the source of all these issues with nuclear capability in the world. We are feared, and the natural response for people is to hate what they fear.

I'd love nothing more than for the world's nations to agree to a spirit of respect and cooperation rather than the current spirit of fear and intimidation. The fact is, the US wants to be the world leader in so many things. War, technology, economics. It's sad that people here believe we can't be a leader for peace, cooperation, and respect because other countries won't follow suit. I'm glad this country didn't follow that same logic in terms of technology and economics!

 

[rnatalli]

On a side note, Jeffrey Dahmer has agreed to begin counseling sessions with Charles Manson. I'm hopefully optimistic these two will work well together and create lasting works for peace and prosperity for all.

I guess JFK was foolish to keep the lines of communications open with the Soviets during the Cuban missile crisis and Regan was foolish for agreeing to meet with Gorbachev. I suppose we would have been better off going to war and/or continuing to bankrupt both countries by building weapons.

 

[highfigh]

On a side note, Jeffrey Dahmer has agreed to begin counseling sessions with Charles Manson. I'm hopefully optimistic these two will work well together and create lasting works for peace and prosperity for all.

If Manson actually talks with Dahmer, it will be a clear sign that there's life after death. Dahmer has been dead since '94.

 

[highfigh]

Double standards are what make us the greatest nation on earth. Where have you been?

We want to "bring peace" to other countries' divided population while our own is still in a perpetual war with itself over differences. We want other countries to decrease their stockpile of weapons while we continue to develop and purchase more of them. We want other countries to better serve their people and provide the ability to eat and cloth their children while we continue to spit on the poor and deny opportunity to the less fortunate, all while at least 40% of our population is all for it.



Nope. The US was never convicted. It helps when you've got the most money and power. You can draw all the criticism the world wants to throw at you, none of it sticks.

Dresden is still very debatable, but yes, the world would certainly be better off if WWII never happened and more importantly it never had a reason to occur in the first place. Our involvement became a necessity, it beginning in the first place (no fault of this country) did not have to happen, but that's what happens when those haboring hatred come to power.

I still stand by the belief that becoming as the monster to defeat the monster makes one no better than the monster, which is my issue with the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If anything, it is the source of all these issues with nuclear capability in the world. We are feared, and the natural response for people is to hate what they fear.

I'd love nothing more than for the world's nations to agree to a spirit of respect and cooperation rather than the current spirit of fear and intimidation. The fact is, the US wants to be the world leader in so many things. War, technology, economics. It's sad that people here believe we can't be a leader for peace, cooperation, and respect because other countries won't follow suit. I'm glad this country didn't follow that same logic in terms of technology and economics!

For every person who wants respect and peace, another exists who is ready to punch them in the face. Given the opportunity, people will try to take what they don't/can't have. A country having the means to go someplace to expand its horizons, at the expense of others, is no different from a small group doing it. The difference is in the methods used. If the people who were there first, should they accept the newcomers with open arms? Not gonna happen.

BTW- Iran rejected the latest plan.

 

[lsiberian]

It seems some folks here don't realize the world is full of people who would shoot and kill you if given the chance. Bin Laden became a terrorist all on his own. The Japanese attacked the United States and they didn't surrender until after Nagasaki. If they had surrendered before Hiroshima the bombing would have never happened, but they didn't. In war your goal is to win not to placate some guy that will live 60 years later and question you.

We beat Japan and we beat Germany. Both nations are among the best in the world to live in today. It is supposed to be considered an honor to die for your country in a time of war. Iran would attack us if they thought they could win. Nukes would move them closer to being able to beat us. Therefore we must do everything we can to stop them. Iran is our enemy not our friend. I hate war, but there are times in history when you must fight to prevent tragedy. Nukes being in the hands of your enemy is dangerous. And since Iran is famous for encouraging suicide bombers it stands to reason they'd have no issues tying a nuke to someone and setting it off.

Not everyone wants to be your friend. Having a nuke will help them to not attack you though.

 

[lsiberian]

I'd agree with that. You think WWII was a good thing?????

It was hell, but war is always hell. You can criticize all you want, but you better be glad folks did what was necessary to win that war for the West. Otherwise you'd be speaking German or Japanese and be under the thumb of a dictator.

 

[rnatalli]

We beat Japan and we beat Germany. Both nations are among the best in the world to live in today.

Just to clarify, we share the credit for defeating Germany, but it was really the Russians that hurt Germany. The Germans lost more troops on the Eastern front than everywhere else combined with Normandy included. The Russians took heavy casualties in order to advance.

 

[lsiberian]

Just to clarify, we share the credit for defeating Germany, but it was really the Russians that hurt Germany. The Germans lost more troops on the Eastern front than everywhere else combined with Normandy included.

It was a combination of factors actually. But we did our fair share in the war.

 

[rnatalli]

It was a combination of factors actually. But we did our fair share in the war.

No doubt the U.S. played a role.

Our stories pale in comparison to my Grandmother-in-law who saw first hand how things were in Russia. We always show movies and talk about how wives were getting Western Union telegrams and all that, but things in the U.S. weren't so bad compared to the horror stories I've heard from the other side.

 

[highfigh]

It seems some folks here don't realize the world is full of people who would shoot and kill you if given the chance. Bin Laden became a terrorist all on his own. The Japanese attacked the United States and they didn't surrender until after Nagasaki. If they had surrendered before Hiroshima the bombing would have never happened, but they didn't. In war your goal is to win not to placate some guy that will live 60 years later and question you.

We beat Japan and we beat Germany. Both nations are among the best in the world to live in today. It is supposed to be considered an honor to die for your country in a time of war. Iran would attack us if they thought they could win. Nukes would move them closer to being able to beat us. Therefore we must do everything we can to stop them. Iran is our enemy not our friend. I hate war, but there are times in history when you must fight to prevent tragedy. Nukes being in the hands of your enemy is dangerous. And since Iran is famous for encouraging suicide bombers it stands to reason they'd have no issues tying a nuke to someone and setting it off.

Not everyone wants to be your friend. Having a nuke will help them to not attack you though.

OBL had been going more to the extreme end of Islam and when the US left after the Iran/Iraq War, he felt we abandoned them and then he was really PO'd. Our using air bases in Muslim countries is a large part of why he wanted to attack us.

Re: the US using nukes first- that was largely a show of force and readiness. I'm sure some of the other countries thought the US would never use it and it was justified by saying that a million lives would be saved.

 

[highfigh]

Just to clarify, we share the credit for defeating Germany, but it was really the Russians that hurt Germany. The Germans lost more troops on the Eastern front than everywhere else combined with Normandy included. The Russians took heavy casualties in order to advance.

It's a good thing Stalin thought twice about joining Hitler. I hate to think about how that war would have gone if he had.

 

[highfigh]

None of this will matter after 2012 anyway.

I saw something about the Mayans explaining that 2012 isn't the end of the World, it's just the end of their calendar.

 

[Chu Gai]

Have they gone to Hallmark or their local bank for new ones?

 

[Jeepers]

And the Revolutionary Guard?
Does that mean that whatever that luny guy said is meaningless??

I think that ultimately Ayatollah Khamenei is the person who decides Iran's politics and the Revolutionary Guard are just an instrument in all of this. Ahmadinejad is according to me a puppet who has to listen to Khamenei.

 

[lsiberian]

I think that ultimately Ayatollah Khamenei is the person who decides Iran's politics and the Revolutionary Guard are just an instrument in all of this. Ahmadinejad is according to me a puppet who has to listen to Khamenei.

Not really. Not sure where you work, but rarely does the head of a company make decisions. I imagine the president gets far more say than you give him credit for. Few people are puppets unless they've been through intense brainwashing.

 

[lsiberian]

It's a good thing Stalin thought twice about joining Hitler. I hate to think about how that war would have gone if he had.

They were allies when Hitler attacked Russia. Problem is Hitler came back a different way then he went into Russia. It really is amazing how badly the Germans messed up. However my german friend is glad they got beat before the bomb was ready. His town was one of the targets.

 

[rnatalli]

Luckily Hitler made some serious screw-ups. Invading Russia was probably the biggest, but not only. Why did he allow the British army to escape and rearm? Why didn't he listen to his generals and move divisions from Calais to Normandy? And probably the best was the Nazi army's failure to block or destroy Pegasus bridge simply because the Fuhrer was sleeping and no one dared wake him for orders.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I'd agree with that. You think WWII was a good thing?????

No, of course not, but one cannot just sit by being attacked. That would have avoided it for sure and the world would be different today, perhaps not to our liking?