Iran agrees to Nuke Deal

[rnatalli]

http://jta.org/news/article/2009/10/21/1008632/iranian-negotiators-agree-to-nuclear-enrichment-plan

Iran has agreed to ship most of its stockpile to Russia for enrichment to 20% which is enough for nuclear power and way short of the 90% needed for a weapon and then to France for processing. Just goes to show that talking sometimes yield results. Hopefully it sticks.

 

[Swerd]

http://jta.org/news/article/2009/10/21/1008632/iranian-negotiators-agree-to-nuclear-enrichment-plan

Iran has agreed to ship most of its stockpile to Russia for enrichment to 20% which is enough for nuclear power and way short of the 90% needed for a weapon and then to France for processing. Just goes to show that talking sometimes yield results. Hopefully it sticks.

Just maybe this also had something to do with talking with the Russians. This may be a benefit from the previous announcement to remove anti-missile sites from Eastern Europe.

 

[rnatalli]

Just maybe this also had something to do with talking with the Russians. This may be a benefit from the previous announcement to remove anti-missile sites from Eastern Europe.

Missiles are still going into Poland, just not exactly how it was originally planned.

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSLL138846

 

[Swerd]

Missiles are still going into Poland, just not exactly how it was originally planned.

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSLL138846

Thanks for the correction. Apparently those missiles are acceptable to the Russians, but the ones proposed by the previous administration were not.

This result with Iran could have happened only after we first changed our position on the missile shield, and as a result, got the Russians to join our position in dealing with Iran.

 

[lsiberian]

This is a purely political move, but a good sign that Iran is getting it. In a twist of Irony we may have the Taliban to thank. They kind need help taking them out in their country now. Combine that with Russian help and their own political nightmare. I just hope they continue it.

 

[Nemo128]

I find it hypocritical that we don't want other countries having a destructive material which has only been used destructively in the history of humanity BY US.

Maybe it's just me, but the last person I'd trust with a gun is a convicted murderer, and I damn sure wouldn't want him restricting access to guns for everyone else.

"But he's crazy, he'd probably use it!!!" "Really? Well, WE HAVE!!!" "That's different."

Explain to me how 57 civilians killed and 35 civilians wounded even comes close to comparing to at least 90,000 at Hiroshima and at least 74,000 at Nagasaki IMMEDIATELY, not counting long term effects. The "military base" argument is bunk, both blast radii were substantially larger than the footprint of the military presense in both cities.

 

[redass]

I find it hypocritical that we don't want other countries having a destructive material which has only been used destructively in the history of humanity BY US. Maybe it's just me, but the last person I'd trust with a gun is a convicted murderer, and I damn sure wouldn't want him restricting access to guns for everyone else.

sure it's hypocritical, but I'd be ok with it if I was the convicted murderer. in fact, I would feel insanely safe.

 

[rnatalli]

I find it hypocritical that we don't want other countries having a destructive material which has only been used destructively in the history of humanity BY US.

Maybe it's just me, but the last person I'd trust with a gun is a convicted murderer, and I damn sure wouldn't want him restricting access to guns for everyone else.

"But he's crazy, he'd probably use it!!!" "Really? Well, WE HAVE!!!" "That's different."

Explain to me how 57 civilians killed and 35 civilians wounded even comes close to comparing to at least 90,000 at Hiroshima and at least 74,000 at Nagasaki IMMEDIATELY, not counting long term effects. The "military base" argument is bunk, both blast radii were substantially larger than the footprint of the military presense in both cities.

Would you give a weapon to someone who speaks of annihilating an entire country filled with people who already survived a holocaust less than 100 years ago?

 

[CraigV]

I find it hypocritical that we don't want other countries having a destructive material which has only been used destructively in the history of humanity BY US.

Maybe it's just me, but the last person I'd trust with a gun is a convicted murderer, and I damn sure wouldn't want him restricting access to guns for everyone else.

"But he's crazy, he'd probably use it!!!" "Really? Well, WE HAVE!!!" "That's different."

Explain to me how 57 civilians killed and 35 civilians wounded even comes close to comparing to at least 90,000 at Hiroshima and at least 74,000 at Nagasaki IMMEDIATELY, not counting long term effects. The "military base" argument is bunk, both blast radii were substantially larger than the footprint of the military presense in both cities.

Japan started the war with the US by bombing Pearl Harbor. After years of conventional fighting, we made a decisive strike which ended the war. Was it the right move? Could the war have been ended by other means? Perhaps, but at the cost of how many more lives on both sides.
The rhetoric the president of Iran spews frightens me, and I’ll say it again – while he was here for the UN meetings, someone should have taken him out.

 

[Swerd]

Explain to me how 57 civilians killed and 35 civilians wounded even comes close to comparing to at least 90,000 at Hiroshima and at least 74,000 at Nagasaki IMMEDIATELY, not counting long term effects.

I don't understand what the 57 civilians killed and 35 civilians wounded is in reference to. What did you mean?

It would be selective memory to cite the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as our only performance with nukes. Don't forget the long history, 1948 to 1989 of mutually assured destruction between us and the Soviet Union. It was frightening but it worked - no nukes have been used since 1945. At least the Soviet Union responded to that kind of logic. No one believes Iranians can be similarly trusted.

 

[Nemo128]

I don't understand what the 57 civilians killed and 35 civilians wounded is in reference to. What did you mean?

Civilian numbers for the attack on Pearl Harbor. Their leaders gave orders to attack a military installation. US leaders gave orders to send over a hundred thousand Japanese civilians to their graves.

Craig, I'm never afraid of the publically vocal idiot in a position of political power. They're always very carefully watched. I'm afraid of the subversive ones that we don't hear from. Iran is about as threatening as North Korea, which is to say neither of them is a credible threat to US soil. Anyone who thinks otherwise knows jack about our military presense overseas.

I'm more concerned about the quiet guy living in the neighborhood that no one hears even a whisper from, no matter what his skin color is or what his religulous beliefs are. Yes, intentional. More death and destruction have been commited in the name of religion than any other aspect of "civilized" societies.

 

[Jeepers]

Would you give a weapon to someone who speaks of annihilating an entire country filled with people who already survived a holocaust less than 100 years ago?

No nobody would but the reality is that the real power in Iran is in the hands of ayatollah Khamenei.

 

[Jeepers]

http://jta.org/news/article/2009/10/21/1008632/iranian-negotiators-agree-to-nuclear-enrichment-plan

Iran has agreed to ship most of its stockpile to Russia for enrichment to 20% which is enough for nuclear power and way short of the 90% needed for a weapon and then to France for processing. Just goes to show that talking sometimes yield results. Hopefully it sticks.

The next step would hopefully be that Israel sends its stockpile to the US. But that will never happen because Israel are the 'chosen people' and are above the law.
Double standards.. right ?

 

[lsiberian]

The next step would hopefully be that Israel sends its stockpile to the US. But that will never happen because Israel are the 'chosen people' and are above the law.
Double standards.. right ?

They aren't out threatening people. Nor do they need a bargaining chip.

 

[Jeepers]

They aren't out threatening people. Nor do they need a bargaining chip.

Don't tell me that Israel hasn't already made plans or is in the process of making plans to attack/destroy Iran's nuclear installations in case no deal would be made; enough hints were made public. By the way; why does Israel need nuclear weapons in the first place (Dimona is not a holiday resort) ? So in the event that Iran's president would never have threatened Israel; would the US and the rest of the democratic world have accepted Iran's nuclear activities ?

 

[mtrycrafts]

The next step would hopefully be that Israel sends its stockpile to the US. But that will never happen because Israel are the 'chosen people' and are above the law.
Double standards.. right ?

Well, maybe, but then, when did they declare to wipe out a nation just because they are different or because they hate them? What was that the Iranian leaders have said?
Which is a more stable country?

 

[mtrycrafts]

I find it hypocritical that we don't want other countries having a destructive material which has only been used destructively in the history of humanity BY US.

Maybe it's just me, but the last person I'd trust with a gun is a convicted murderer, and I damn sure wouldn't want him restricting access to guns for everyone else.

"But he's crazy, he'd probably use it!!!" "Really? Well, WE HAVE!!!" "That's different."

Explain to me how 57 civilians killed and 35 civilians wounded even comes close to comparing to at least 90,000 at Hiroshima and at least 74,000 at Nagasaki IMMEDIATELY, not counting long term effects. The "military base" argument is bunk, both blast radii were substantially larger than the footprint of the military presense in both cities.

Are you equating the US to a convicted criminal? Or, is that a perception issue?
I guess Dresden should not have been bombed either? Or, the whole WWII should never have started in the first place?

 

[mtrycrafts]

No nobody would but the reality is that the real power in Iran is in the hands of ayatollah Khamenei.

And the Revolutionary Guard?
Does that mean that whatever that luny guy said is meaningless??

 

[Audioholics]

Iran has agreed to ship most of its stockpile to Russia for enrichment to 20% which is enough for nuclear power and way short of the 90% needed for a weapon and then to France for processing. Just goes to show that talking sometimes yield results. Hopefully it sticks.

On a side note, Jeffrey Dahmer has agreed to begin counseling sessions with Charles Manson. I'm hopefully optimistic these two will work well together and create lasting works for peace and prosperity for all.

 

[eomcall]

None of this will matter after 2012 anyway.