Interesting Video: Digital -> DAC --> Vinyl

[dnnone]

E&T video: at Abbey Road Studios, cutting a vinyl record - YouTube

Vinyl or not Vinyl ? After I watch this youtube video, I wonder what is the meaning to listen to Vinyl? I though every thing is analog process to make vinyl.

Base on the video. A record process loose some information from Analog to Digital CD, and then It loose more information from Digital CD back to Analog. Weird! If this is a case, why do I bother to listen to Vinyl .

Pardon me, English is not my mother language.

 

[BMXTRIX]

It would depend on the mastering process I would imagine and the DACs in use. If the original is captured in analog, and not tweaked, then a vinyl master could be made from the analog master. But, if the editing is done in the digital domain from an analog master, then odds are good that the digital master would be far beyond the range of a CD in terms of audio fidelity.

So, you get an uncompressed digital master, which is then put onto a record and the analog path and conversion would be using pro-level gear which is accurately calibrated to deliver a vinyl record with far more depth than any CD currently could manage.

Of couse, then you need to drop a small fortune to get that audio quality back into your home and ignore all the analog failings which go along with it.

I'll stick with my CD collection, thanks.

 

[TLS Guy]

It would depend on the mastering process I would imagine and the DACs in use. If the original is captured in analog, and not tweaked, then a vinyl master could be made from the analog master. But, if the editing is done in the digital domain from an analog master, then odds are good that the digital master would be far beyond the range of a CD in terms of audio fidelity.

So, you get an uncompressed digital master, which is then put onto a record and the analog path and conversion would be using pro-level gear which is accurately calibrated to deliver a vinyl record with far more depth than any CD currently could manage.

Of couse, then you need to drop a small fortune to get that audio quality back into your home and ignore all the analog failings which go along with it.

I'll stick with my CD collection, thanks.

A standard vinyl disc can not match a well mastered CD. It does not have the dynamic range for one thing. Even with a $100,000 turntable distortion will be many fold higher.

It takes a dbx encoded LP to come close to matching a CD.

 

[3db]

A standard vinyl disc can not match a well mastered CD. It does not have the dynamic range for one thing. Even with a $100,000 turntable distortion will be many fold higher.

It takes a dbx encoded LP to come close to matching a CD.

No offense TLS but your experience with vinyl is limited to classical music. I don't think the loudness wars seen in CD and mp3s and the like has made it to the classical genre as it has with most of the other genres. The CD is a better medium. I have no arguement there. However, the recording industry with the ensueing loudness wars has greatly diminished the dynamic range of the music found on today's CDs. I can take as an example, my copy of Tom Petty's "MOJO" which I have on vinyl and compare it to FLAC download which I also have and there is next to no difference in dynamic range.

I've heard dbx encoded LPs and they are as dynamic as a CD.

 

[3db]

E&T video: at Abbey Road Studios, cutting a vinyl record - YouTube

Vinyl or not Vinyl ? After I watch this youtube video, I wonder what is the meaning to listen to Vinyl? I though every thing is analog process to make vinyl.

Base on the video. A record process loose some information from Analog to Digital CD, and then It loose more information from Digital CD back to Analog. Weird! If this is a case, why do I bother to listen to Vinyl .

Pardon me, English is not my mother language.

Do you enjoy the sound of vinyl? Do you enjoy the experience and involvement vinyl brings before playing an album? If so, I wouldn't worry about it and just enjoy the experience.

 

[TLS Guy]

No offense TLS but your experience with vinyl is limited to classical music. I don't think the loudness wars seen in CD and mp3s and the like has made it to the classical genre as it has with most of the other genres. The CD is a better medium. I have no arguement there. However, the recording industry with the ensueing loudness wars has greatly diminished the dynamic range of the music found on today's CDs. I can take as an example, my copy of Tom Petty's "MOJO" which I have on vinyl and compare it to FLAC download which I also have and there is next to no difference in dynamic range.

I've heard dbx encoded LPs and they are as dynamic as a CD.

That is all true, however you reinforce my point that the main issue with CDs is mastering. With wide dynamic masters, that I have recorded with my own mics, it is a challenge to get it to fit in the CD parameters. You have to take a lot of care.

Part of the reason that pop music has little dynamic range is because the original material has no dynamic range.

At a recent AES meeting I went to a demonstration of Abelton Live at the Minnesota Media Institute. This ubiquitous program blurs the line between live, recoding and DJ.

However the point is the program has a huge number of looped sound samples, that can be manipulated in all sorts of ways. However one thing you can not do with sampled sound is to vary the dynamic range, except by adding and subtracting voices. I thought the software and screen for adding and subtracting voices was awkward and obtuse.

I told the company rep, they should sit down at the console of a pipe organ, with computer stop action, with a good organist to see how you do it properly. I offered to take him out to Mahatomedi, to see how it is really done.

With the extensive use of Abelton live combined with Pro Tools I expect pop music to descend even further into the basement by leaps and bounds. With the way they are putting material together now and sensible dynamic range is virtually impossible.

I'm really glad I get no pleasure whatever from that genre of music and frankly I'm at a loss to see how anybody can.

What was more depressing was that of the large number of students present could fathom the importance of dynamics to music. I felt like someone from another age, which I probably am.

 

[slipperybidness]

I'm really glad I get no pleasure whatever from that genre of music and frankly I'm at a loss to see how anybody can.

What was more depressing was that of the large number of students present could fathom the importance of dynamics to music. I felt like someone from another age, which I probably am.

People are cattle, they like what the record companies and radio tells them to like. Clear Channel (and others) decides what will be number one then promotes the heck out of it.

Practically brainwashing the public and telling them what is "hot".

 

[3db]

People are cattle, they like what the record companies and radio tells them to like. Clear Channel (and others) decides what will be number one then promotes the heck out of it.

Practically brainwashing the public and telling them what is "hot".

Are you calling me a COW?? j/k


My music interest takes in all genres of music with the exception of country, (love blue grass though) rap and hip hop. I do own one rap album. I was raised with classical, switch to Led Zeppelin at the ripe old of 8years hearing the song "Communication Breakdown" and found blues at 14 listening to a Cheech Chong casette of all things.

Every genre of music has something special to offer. That has been my experience.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Are you calling me a COW?? j/k


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Is 'sheep' better?

 

[3db]

Is 'sheep' better?

You'r so baaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhddddddddddd.

 

[slipperybidness]

You'r so baaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhddddddddddd.

Mostly I was referring to the crap that is played on commercial radio. "Popular" music that bombards the airwaves.

 

[TLS Guy]

No offense TLS but your experience with vinyl is limited to classical music. I don't think the loudness wars seen in CD and mp3s and the like has made it to the classical genre as it has with most of the other genres. The CD is a better medium. I have no arguement there. However, the recording industry with the ensueing loudness wars has greatly diminished the dynamic range of the music found on today's CDs. I can take as an example, my copy of Tom Petty's "MOJO" which I have on vinyl and compare it to FLAC download which I also have and there is next to no difference in dynamic range.

I've heard dbx encoded LPs and they are as dynamic as a CD.

This sounds to me like a a typical Abelton production. I can just bet that what was used.

Play the video and see how ghastly it is.

 

[audiofox]

Abelton is just a tool, like Logic or Pro Tools-the effectiveness is determined by the user of the tool and his/her expertise with the tool and its application.

 

[TLS Guy]

Abelton is just a tool, like Logic or Pro Tools-the effectiveness is determined by the user of the tool and his/her expertise with the tool and its application.

I would call it more of a blight to be used by tools!

 

[its phillip]

This sounds to me like a a typical Abelton production. I can just bet that what was used.

Play the video and see how ghastly it is.

To be fair, every thing sounds horrid on youtube