Infinity Floorstanders for under $225...

[jagxtype]

its personal preference. I prefer not to spend what a decent car would cost on a system. Just wondering sheep, how wealthy are you. Just figure 3 pairs of those speakers @ 12000 and then center channels and preamps and amps and all the other do-dads that go with the system and tell me you would or could spend that kind of money in your lifetime on a system. It gets to the point where the Decay in sound difference become exponential in relation to cost. Of course this differs with each person depending on what detail the ear can detect. I know a fair share of speaker theory, but i am not going to say that i am not specialist/expert, or conur sur of the field. I realize quickly you are one to debate. I enjoy debating. But will admit i will be had at these topics for i am only an amatuer.

 

[Sheep]

its personal preference. I prefer not to spend what a decent car would cost on a system. Just wondering sheep, how wealthy are you. Just figure 3 pairs of those speakers @ 12000 and then center channels and preamps and amps and all the other do-dads that go with the system and tell me you would or could spend that kind of money in your lifetime on a system. It gets to the point where the Decay in sound difference become exponential in relation to cost. Of course this differs with each person depending on what detail the ear can detect. I know a fair share of speaker theory, but i am not going to say that i am not specialist/expert, or conur sur of the field. I realize quickly you are one to debate. I enjoy debating. But will admit i will be had at these topics for i am only an amatuer.

I'm not wealthy, and I don't own those speakers. But I do realize when something is truly exceptional. You can build similar performing speakers for less, but there is little out there in the retail world with the same build quality(at that price point).

SheepStar

 

[jagxtype]

I don't think you really understand speaker design and philosophy. Those speakers have ZERO resonance.

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This is the Matrix Bracing (uh) that they use inside. Very few retails speakers have resonance that measures as well as these do, including speakers that retail for more then double the price.

I'm willing to bet that 4000 dollar sound system you would buy will not sound nearly as good.

SheepStar

I do wonder where i brought up the build quality and such of the speaker to which you are making a rebuttal. I am not qustioning its build, i am merely making the implication that i do not see reason to buying such fine, expensive equipment. The equipment can only be as good as the human ear interprets what it hears. I can pick out detail and nuances, but still see no use in such a system. It must be purely status and the benjamin factor.

 

[jagxtype]

I'm not wealthy, and I don't own those speakers. But I do realize when something is truly exceptional. You can build similar performing speakers for less, but there is little out there in the retail world with the same build quality(at that price point).

SheepStar

Understood. For the average joe such as you and me, is the decay of product worth the exponential gain in price you are encountering? I say the money is better spent in something that posseses return. Speakers are like a car; once they leave the "dealer" they instantly loose value and in most cases (just as cars) will continue to loose value untill the market for them platueas due to the rarity and demand. A vehichle suspends the value though due to its variety of uses such as getting you to your job so you can make money in the first place. A speaker is there for your listening enjoyment.

 

[mike c]

I can't hear the difference between speakers ... I can't afford them speakers ... but this I promise: I WILL ONE DAY have a pair of those 802D's and a pair of Martin Logan ESL's in a dedicated audio room.

 

[jagxtype]

I can't hear the difference between speakers ... I can't afford them speakers ... but this I promise: I WILL ONE DAY have a pair of those 802D's and a pair of Martin Logan ESL's in a dedicated audio room.

HAHA...seriously that made me laugh. I am only 19 and someday my values may change. but i feel that i am a fairly level-headed person. I have had to work hard for everything that i have or will ever get. I don't receive, nor will i receive handouts from others. I work full time only to pay for going to school full time without a loan and to have a nice car. With that insight, i can say that right now i feel there are more important things in my life, such as my future. When i have that taken care of, i may own a pair of martin logans if i can prepare myself for such improveishment. Yes, both martin logans and B&W's are very nice speakers, such as a nice house or car; they come with time and success.

 

[mike c]

exactly. when I was your age ... a car was all I wanted. I measured everything in car value. "$ht! that thing costs like 2 cars man!" "I can buy a car for that amount"

when you secure your future, you can look to enjoying the rest of your life right now, I measure things in subwoofers. hehe "for 12k of b&w, I can buy me 12 more subwoofers just to prove the harman white paper on multisubs"

 

[jagxtype]

exactly. when I was your age ... a car was all I wanted. I measured everything in car value. "$ht! that thing costs like 2 cars man!" "I can buy a car for that amount"

when you secure your future, you can look to enjoying the rest of your life right now, I measure things in subwoofers. hehe "for 12k of b&w, I can buy me 12 more subwoofers just to prove the harman white paper on multisubs"

LMAO...All i want right now is a vette, but i tend to drive like an *** when i have fast cars and have tickets to prove it. So i bought a slow *** jag, but its hella nice.

I am out for the night. Nice talking to you people

 

[Sheep]

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30467

Read this thread.

SheepStar

 

[jagxtype]

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30467

Read this thread.

SheepStar

Began to...but i am tired and have to work tomorrow. will try to get to it later. thanks though. I enjoy reading up on just about anything.

 

[avaserfi]

My guess is these http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/1205bw/
are overpriced by $10,000.00
Heck, for a pair of ~800.00 subs (1600.00) and some Infinity's for ~150.00
And pay a carpenter for the mod at 100.00 an hour (x ~3 hours), you still would be better off than paying $12,000.00 for those B&W's.

Specially with a small room, and nearfield listening.

The B&W 801D/802D is one of the best commercial monopole on the market if not the best. Furthermore, at the price they area great value even at 10-12k if one wants proper, accurate reproduction of a source.

Since it seems you aren't understanding why look here. Fig 2 shows this speaker has an inert cabinet thus is introducing no timberal distortion via resonance. Fig 4 shows the speakers great linearity meaning with a quality EQ you can achieve any desired response. Lastly, fig 5 and 6 show horizontal and vertical off axis response. These two specs while not being perfect are better than most other speakers, including higher and lower price ranges, and shows these speakers will do well for both near and far field listening.

If you want to put it in terms of total cost. Just think, your going to need massive power with massive processing to power those bad boys too. Thats another couple thousand more than a good receiver which is plenty ample to push the 250's. The B&W's are way too much. Your rougly in the hole 15,000 or more when all is said and done when compared to the relative primus set up.

Untrue completely - cost and performance are unrelated. Getting quality components is a must, but there is no need to waste money. Any stereo receiver, a quality EQ and amp with sufficient power will work as long as they do not add noise to the system which they shouldn't if properly designed.

 

[Sheep]

Good post WmAx Jr.

SheepStar

 

[Sheep]

HAHA...seriously that made me laugh. I am only 19 and someday my values may change. but i feel that i am a fairly level-headed person. I have had to work hard for everything that i have or will ever get. I don't receive, nor will i receive handouts from others. I work full time only to pay for going to school full time without a loan and to have a nice car. With that insight, i can say that right now i feel there are more important things in my life, such as my future. When i have that taken care of, i may own a pair of martin logans if i can prepare myself for such improveishment. Yes, both martin logans and B&W's are very nice speakers, such as a nice house or car; they come with time and success.

Hey, I'm only 20. It's isn't about age, just mindset

SheepStar

 

[Seth=L]

If I could afford the Nautilus 802s I would not power them with any receiver short of a flagship from Yamaha, Denon, or Onkyo. They don't stay around 8 ohms and dip near 3 ohms. Stable power is a must with those speakers IMO.

 

[Alex2507]

hmmmmmmmmmm ?

This thread might answer your question.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37168

 

[Gasman]

Since it seems you aren't understanding why

Uhmm, yeah, NM.

This thread might answer your question.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37168

LOL, yeah I pointed that out to mazer yesterday.
Although, I am still waiting for his comments. (he knows what I'm talking about)

 

[jagxtype]

Hey, I'm only 20. It's isn't about age, just mindset

SheepStar

Just as you and i have swaying values of what we want in life, others have swaying value of what something is worth. The total costs to make them B&W's is most likely a very small percentage of what they cost. You may use your knowledge of speakers as assertion, but that will not change my mindset. If i may ask, if it is not too personal, would you rather have a pair of these 12,000 dollar speakers and a system to power them with, or a down payment on your own house and a new car?

 

[Gasman]

Don't answer that Sheep.
It is a trick question.


J/K, but not really.
I would have to say the speakers, as 12K would maybe get you a down payment on a bathroom here in Florida.
And if you were splitting that cost between a car and house down payment, LOL, forgetta about it.

 

[jagxtype]

I will have my views and others will have theirs. Lets leave it at that. If its more important to have speaker stature than living at home till your 35, then so be it. I know some are well off enough to afford something like this, and more power to them. I, at the moment am not. I am focused on finishing college and BUYING a NEW house and making a succesful future for myself. Then i may someday begin to enjoy the enlightments of being an eliteist breadwinner with a Nice House with OMG expensive speakers and a 6 figure sports car sitting in the garage. Until then... i will stick with my measly primus 250's that i got for a great deal. I have grown to like them quite well.

 

[mazersteven]

This thread might answer your question.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37168

I don't have a question. I question that they will sound like B&W 802's. This I would love to hear myself.