In-wall wiring question

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FNG212

Audioholic
I'm not sure if this is the correct section so please move if necessary.

This is for purely around the house music listening.

My system will go: source/amp -> wall plate -> ceiling (I have attic access) -> volume control knob -> speaker

My question is what kind (2 / 4) of wire needs to be run on each leg. I've read that I have to run 4-part wire to the VC but don't know why. If that is the case how do I hook up the wall plate?

I have one of these because I want up to five zones in my house so I figured 1 pair per zone (run to the VC then from VC to each pair of speakers)

Is this correct? Please help.
 
M

MDS

Audioholic Spartan
A single volume control is for two speakers, therefore you need 4 wires in and 4 wires out. It is common to use 16/4 (or whatever gauge you want) to the volume control and then 2 pair of 16/2 to go to each speaker.

The single 16/4 is convenient because you have two pair of speaker wires in a single jacket. You use separate pairs of 16/2 to the speakers because the speakers are not going to be right next to each other. This is how home pre-wires are done.

So your wall plate should have 4 binding posts and the 16/4 connected to the binding posts on the back. That 16/4 wire runs up the ceiling or through the walls or however you decide to lay it out up to the VC. The outs of the VC go to the speakers (one 16/2 for each speaker.)
 
H

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
I'm not sure if this is the correct section so please move if necessary.

This is for purely around the house music listening.

My system will go: source/amp -> wall plate -> ceiling (I have attic access) -> volume control knob -> speaker

My question is what kind (2 / 4) of wire needs to be run on each leg. I've read that I have to run 4-part wire to the VC but don't know why. If that is the case how do I hook up the wall plate?

I have one of these because I want up to five zones in my house so I figured 1 pair per zone (run to the VC then from VC to each pair of speakers)

Is this correct? Please help.
The speaker cables need to be in a jacket that's separate from the conductors. Each conductor will be insulated but the jacket is to keep the insulation from being chafed when pulling and to contain any sparks if bad things happen, like extreme current or voltage. This is called CL rated, usually CL2. CL3 is also available for certain applications.
 
ee4hire

ee4hire

Audioholic Intern
I wired 4 sets of remote speaker pairs with pairs of 14/2 (12/2 on the long runs). Each had a volume control. I found it more convenient to just buy one wire on a big spool of two conductor (single pair) and just pull two cables to from wall plate to attic to volume control for each speaker. Meant less inventory and waste. A little tough pulling down the four cables required for the volume control (two in, two out) but it is doable. An electricians snake or tape is ideal for this part of the job.

I recommend the gray jacketed "sound/security" wire that I got at Home Depot. It is "riser rated" which is what you should get for wall and attic wiring. It has red and black insulation on each wire for easy polarization. I don't recommend using the transparent insulation or zip apart speaker wire commonly found, it is harder to pull through the holes, etc.

If you do get 4 conductor wire, make sure it is intended for speakers and bundled as two twisted pairs, not just a bundle of four, and wire each twisted pair as a single channel.

Be careful not to have long runs of speaker wire parallel to power wiring in your attic.

Since you will need a lot of wall plates at your amp for your five speakers, you might go beyond the 4 binding post plates. I found 8 binding post plates that allowed me two pairs of speakers per plate. There is also a double wide one that has 12, so that can handle 3 speakers. One of each of these would give you your five and you would only have two boxes for all five remote pairs. Use the low voltage "boxes" that are open for mounting the plates.

If you have a soldering iron, I recommend stripping and tinning each wire, that way the strands don't get bunched up and have a chance of some shorting to adjacent posts. You'll need a high wattage iron for the #12 wire, though unless you have a very long run, 12 is probably over kill (and a pain to work with).
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
My system will go: source/amp -> wall plate -> ceiling (I have attic access) -> volume control knob -> speaker
It is an arrow to start things off:

SOURCE->AMP->etc. but, you have the general idea correct.

My question is what kind (2 / 4) of wire needs to be run on each leg. I've read that I have to run 4-part wire to the VC but don't know why. If that is the case how do I hook up the wall plate?
This is the wall plate to use:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10425&cs_id=1042503&p_id=3325&seq=1&format=2

If this is general purpose background music listening, then I would recommend that you pull 14/4 wiring from the head end (source/amp location) to the volume control location.

Something like this:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10239&cs_id=1023902&p_id=4040&seq=1&format=2

I would also pull a piece of CAT-5...
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10233&cs_id=1023303&p_id=880&seq=1&format=2

The speaker wire is of decent enough gauge to provide decent audio throughout a typical home for non-critical listening. You run 2 pairs to provide positive (+) and negative (-) audio to one speaker PAIR. So, two sets of + and - cables, one pair for each speaker (left/right).

Why CAT-5? Because you may be upset that you have volume control but no other control of your A/V gear from the remote rooms. CAT-5 allows an easy upgrade path to get rid of the volume control and put in a smart keypad, or to add a IR repeater along with a volume control.

Something like this...
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=302-250

I have one of these because I want up to five zones in my house so I figured 1 pair per zone (run to the VC then from VC to each pair of speakers)
You still want to keep in mind amplification. One amplifier channel = ONE speaker. You don't run 5 speakers off one amplifier channel, or one PAIR of speakers off one amplifier channel.

If you only have one amplifier, say a stereo amplifier (two channels) then you need to regulate the audio and maintain proper ohm settings across the system so you don't blow the amplifier up.

You can do this with a speaker selector like this:
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=302-225

Or with volume controls like this:
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-560

But, one of the best ways to distribute audio in a home is to actually use separate channels of amplification for each speaker.

Like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/NILES-SI-1230-12-CHANNEL-SYSTEMS-INTEGRATION-AMPLIFIER_W0QQitemZ170324819933QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item170324819933&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66:2|65:1|39:1|240:1318|301:1|293:1|294:50

The amplifier above provides independent amplification to each room of your home and is (most likely) stable to 4ohms which means you could even put 2 pairs of speakers in each room if necessary.

Good luck!
 
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