In-wall speaker questions--- To aim or not to aim?

[knightly]

My wife and I are having a house built, and due to WAF I have to use in-wall speakers for all except the center. I plan to use either the Paradigm cc-370 center or similar (refence CC).

Due the huge room volume (10,000 cubic feet) I am sure I need to go with 8" drivers instead of the more popular 6 1/2" .

The problem is, due to window placements, I have to mount the Left and Right speakers 10' up on the wall (20 feet celings), about 10 feet to either side of where the tv will be (in the corner) Side placement is pretty good, but the Big problem is the elevation (10 feet up!)

My first instinct was to get a pivoting speaker such as a Speakercraft AIM, but further reading at the Paradigm websight makes pivoting idea seem like a bad idea. Others ideas include the Sonance Virtuoso In-Ceiling Speakers (mid and tweeter pivot) or the smaller Symphony series from Sonance (woofer and tweeter pivot)

Paradigm makes it sound like their speakers will image everywhere (therefore no aiming needed). Is this hype, or should I look at a full pivoting design to "aim" my sound down to the couch ?(sonance, speakercraft?)

The specific speakers I am looking at are the Paradim AMS-300, Sonance Virtuoso, Speakercraft AIM 8 series (maybe new 7series) or Sonance Symphony (6 1/2 inch)

I am mostly worried about the Left and Right in the HT, as I plan to use HTD ceiling speakers (to try to return to my budget) for the rears

 

[patnshan]

HTD in-wall speakers have tweeters that are on a swivel. I would fire off an e-mail to them to ask what they think. The higher the frequency, the more directional it is. I would think that having a tweeter fire forward, 10 feet high on the wall would not sound very good. I would go with something that pivots.

By the way, I was able to convince my wife that wall mounted speakers are better than in-wall

Pat

 

[mazersteven]

My wife and I are having a house built, and due to WAF I have to use in-wall speakers for all except the center. I plan to use either the Paradigm cc-370 center or similar (refence CC).

Due the huge room volume (10,000 cubic feet) I am sure I need to go with 8" drivers instead of the more popular 6 1/2" .

The problem is, due to window placements, I have to mount the Left and Right speakers 10' up on the wall (20 feet celings), about 10 feet to either side of where the tv will be (in the corner) Side placement is pretty good, but the Big problem is the elevation (10 feet up!)

My first instinct was to get a pivoting speaker such as a Speakercraft AIM, but further reading at the Paradigm websight makes pivoting idea seem like a bad idea. Others ideas include the Sonance Virtuoso In-Ceiling Speakers (mid and tweeter pivot) or the smaller Symphony series from Sonance (woofer and tweeter pivot)

Paradigm makes it sound like their speakers will image everywhere (therefore no aiming needed). Is this hype, or should I look at a full pivoting design to "aim" my sound down to the couch ?(sonance, speakercraft?)

The specific speakers I am looking at are the Paradim AMS-300, Sonance Virtuoso, Speakercraft AIM 8 series (maybe new 7series) or Sonance Symphony (6 1/2 inch)

I am mostly worried about the Left and Right in the HT, as I plan to use HTD ceiling speakers (to try to return to my budget) for the rears

My room is so bad for placement of speakers, I had to go with in-ceilings. I went with Speakercraft Aim8 Five's. They sound great and help make a imperfect room, perfect. I recommend them. I have read the Paradigm web page. They only thing I can say if they are trying to sell their speaker line. I like Paradigm speakers, they are one of my favorites. I just felt the Speakercraft would do a better job for my situation. Take a look at my Webshots pictures.

 

[Josuah]

You could also look for some low-profile on-wall speakers. I don't recall the brand that makes them, but I remember seeing them before. They're designed to be placed right flat against the wall, and also to look less intrusive than most speakers. Depending on your decor, they may fit right in.

 

[Phantomguy]

I have problems deciding where to place surrounds & rears for multi row seating. I have 13' wide x 22' long x 8' high room with 3 rows of seating (2 rows of 2 seat/wedge units and 1 back row of 3 seater - hard against back/brick wall). Will be using Yamaha RX-V2600 7.1 with Presence option and System A will be all in-wall/ceiling Jensen EHT 6ohm speakers, as follows for Zone 1ÒNLY -

FL and FR = 1 pr EHT8 (8" x 2way x 130w, swivel tweeters) - WALL Mount
Centre = I pr EHT6 (6.5 x 2 way x 110w, swivel tweeters) - needing impedence compensation device I think (???) - WALL Mount
Presence L and R = 1 pr EHT4 (6.5" x 2 way x 110w, angled Woofer, swivel tweeters) - WALL mounted
Surround L and R = 1 or 2pr or 3pr (not sure???) EHT4 (6.5" x 2 way x 110w, angled Woofer, swivel tweeters) WALL or CEILING mount (not sure???)
Rear L + R = 1pr or 2pr (not sure????) EHT4 (6.5" x 2 way x 110w, angled Woofer, swivel tweeters) WALL or CEILING mount (not sure???)

(System B is my old pr of Sansui SP2500 (circa 1970) for stereo listening and which I am presently reworking crossovers etc basd on modern day techo info )

OK ...so when 7.1 is source I want each seating to benefit for 7 channels .. ditto for 5.1.

So my Questitons -
1. To achieve 90 -110 degree angle of surrounds could I use 2 or 3 pr parallel EHT4s (with suitable Imp Comp Device back to 6ohm) alligned with Row 1 and 2 (and maybe 3)? Would I be best to ceiling mount or wall (about 7' ht) bearing in mind the woofers are made 30 degree angled and tweeters swivel)?

2. For Rear Surronds, given that they should be roughly in line with FL and FR but at same height as (side) Surrounds, and as there is no space behind Row
should I mount them in the ceiling OR rear back wall?

3. And should I use 2pr in parallel again - 1 pr radiating towards the 3rd row (straight down) and the other pr radiating towards the 1st and 2nd rows? If two pr would be best, should I ceiling mount both - 1 pr EHT2 (straight woofer) above Row3 and 1 pr as EHT4 (angled woofer) immediately in front of EHT2s but their angles firing towards the backs of Row 1 and 2?

4. If 2pr and ceiling mounting (as I asked in Q3) would I best best just to have 2pr (not 3pr) of (side) Surrounds at 90-110 degrees to Rows 1 and 2, so that from the Row 3 perspective, there would still be about 40 -50 degrees separation between the Row 2 (side) surrounds (nearest ones) and the (ovehead) Rear Surrounds?

Any help here please? Ddoes anyone have expeience or know where I can get reliable info on where to place surrounds and rear surrounds in my situation. Surely I cant have been the first to encounter this 7.1/3 rows/hard-back-to-wall-row3 problem?
Thx

 

[jcPanny]

Paradigm

The paradigm inwalls will probably match better with the paradigm center. They also have an on-wall version of their Monitor series speakers which might be a good asthetics/performance compromise.
Stick the the monitor 40 type speaker with 2 woofers for the fronts in your large room. Speakers with a single larger woofer will player lower (frequencies) but won't necessarily play louder.