improve mid bass

[Sylar]

Are there any easy ways to improve mid bass without changing the speakers? While the mid bass in my speakers are not really lacking (PSB T6), i would love to have more.

By mid bass, I am referring to frequencies above 100Hz to about 250Hz.
These frequencies really give me that thump in the chest that i long for

 

[j_garcia]

HSU MBM? No, I don't think there's a simple answer to your question. I feel the same way, which is why I moved to larger bookshelf speakers with dual midbass drivers.

 

[lsiberian]

The easiest way to improve midbass is by moving speakers closer to the wall. Just realize you can get some bad effects too. Moving them closer to the wall typically loads the lower frequencies more. You could also try using EQ of some kind.

 

[j_garcia]

I didn't want to say EQ, but that is one way.

 

[gtpsuper24]

I highly doubt the T6 will give you chest thump midbass. Those are designed to have a very flat FR and just won't have the output need to provide the thump in the chest, unless you in a tiny room. They are probably not capable of the SPLs needed to have that thump.

I would say a HSU MBM or two should do the trick. Most of the thump comes from the 60-150hrz range a high output.

 

[lsiberian]

I didn't want to say EQ, but that is one way.

It could be placement related too. Sometimes you got the speaker placed in a null.

 

[Sylar]

The easiest way to improve midbass is by moving speakers closer to the wall. Just realize you can get some bad effects too. Moving them closer to the wall typically loads the lower frequencies more.

I have set my crossover at 90Hz since I feel i have room issues. Can I presume moving to wall, wont be much of an issue for me? And even if I try this, I wonder this how much improvement I would really get.

You could also try using EQ of some kind.

any particular suggestions for this? I could try and see how it works out.
I remember older players when we used to have analog? equalizers whatever happpened to them, barely see them around. I currently play music from PC.

I didn't want to say EQ, but that is one way.

any specific reason you didnt want to mention?

 

[lsiberian]

I have set my crossover at 90Hz since I feel i have room issues. Can I presume moving to wall, wont be much of an issue for me? And even if I try this, I wonder this how much improvement I would really get.


any particular suggestions for this? I could try and see how it works out.
I remember older players when we used to have analog? equalizers whatever happpened to them, barely see them around. I currently play music from PC.
any specific reason you didnt want to mention?

From a PC you can do EQ via the program if it has one built in. I know winamp had one back in the days. You could also do some measurements. of various speaker positions with an SPL Meter.

 

[j_garcia]

any particular suggestions for this? I could try and see how it works out. I remember older players when we used to have analog? equalizers whatever happpened to them, barely see them around. I currently play music from PC.

any specific reason you didnt want to mention?

Needing EQ to me often means there is a systemic problem - room, placement, possibly even the speaker itself, etc... But personal preference is for each person to decide themselves. EQ can help tweak that to one's liking, but I like to know my speakers sound fine to me without EQ first.

 

[Sylar]

Needing EQ to me often means there is a systemic problem - room, placement, possibly even the speaker itself, etc... But personal preference is for each person to decide themselves. EQ can help tweak that to one's liking, but I like to know my speakers sound fine to me without EQ first.

i dont feel like there a null/dip in the mid bass region (I havent measured). I feel the thump and it is evident. I most definitely want more. The mid range is awesome. ANy problem i feel is like in the low bass regions. My ears cant take it at moderately high volumes for a period of time.

Out of curiosity, do speakers with larger bass drivers tend to have a better thump?

 

[lsiberian]

Needing EQ to me often means there is a systemic problem - room, placement, possibly even the speaker itself, etc... But personal preference is for each person to decide themselves. EQ can help tweak that to one's liking, but I like to know my speakers sound fine to me without EQ first.

I agree with this prognosis. EQ actually limits peak dynamics because it raises the natural baseline power for your sound especially in the midbass range.

Nothing like an SPL Meter with some test tones can help you find the best placement for your speakers. You play a 150hz tone and measure to until you find the best one for your listening position.

 

[j_garcia]

i dont feel like there a null/dip in the mid bass region (I havent measured). I feel the thump and it is evident. I most definitely want more. The mid range is awesome. ANy problem i feel is like in the low bass regions. My ears cant take it at moderately high volumes for a period of time.

Out of curiosity, do speakers with larger bass drivers tend to have a better thump?

Not necessarily larger drivers and will vary depending on the speaker and the actual drivers themselves, but again, with a larger driver you are likely to have other tradeoffs. I've found, in general, when you move to say an 8" midbass, you do get a bit more slam, but lose some of the resolution higher up.

 

[lsiberian]

i dont feel like there a null/dip in the mid bass region (I havent measured). I feel the thump and it is evident. I most definitely want more. The mid range is awesome. ANy problem i feel is like in the low bass regions. My ears cant take it at moderately high volumes for a period of time.

Out of curiosity, do speakers with larger bass drivers tend to have a better thump?

Yes they do tend to, but I'd only limit it within the same speaker design group(like Primus with bigger drivers sacrifice midrange for midbass).

Of course if you are comparing drivers made with a high quality 6" to a lower quality 8" this won't be true.

Have you tried lowering your crossover? Are you listening to hip-hop by chance? If so I wonder if you might be better off with a different brand. Hip Hop listeners tend to prefer more boomy speakers.

 

[Sylar]

Are you listening to hip-hop by chance? If so I wonder if you might be better off with a different brand. Hip Hop listeners tend to prefer more boomy speakers.

Nope, not at all. Far from it.
I live mostly in 80's and 90's, with some good exceptions. I just cant seem to listen to the music that comes nowadays. I also dont go searching much, so there might be really good stuff that I dont come across.

I feel my speakers are pretty good for what i listen to.
I listen to stuff like, Celine DIon-Power of Love, Whitney Houston-I WIll Always Love You, Journey-When You Love A Woman.
Hall And Oates-Out Of Touch, Gary Barlow-So Help Me girl, Jamie Walters-Hold On, Robbie Williams-Rock DJ, Celine Dion-I'm Alive, Donna Lewis-Without Love.
Also a few good stuff like, Adele-Rolling In The Deep, Van Hallen-I Can't Stop Loving You, Ugly Kid Joe-Cats In The Cradle

 

[Irvrobinson]

I had a similar problem, with a measured suck-out centered at about 125Hz. I solved the problem by using a subwoofer, and setting the sub's low-pass filter to 120Hz and using a 12db/octave filter slope. That puts the sub response down only 6db at 180Hz, which fills in the entire suck-out nicely.

So if you don't use a sub I highly recommend getting one. You probably won't need a very big one either, but, of course, big subs are fun.

With a sub you can place your mains for best imaging or whatever, and position the sub to tune the bass response. Also, three sources for that frequency range will smooth things out too WRT room modes.

 

[Ricardojoa]

it might be your room is to big. Are you sure you more in the 100-250 region, dont think thiz region will give you any thump in chest. 50-80 give you thum inchest. A slight bump in the 100-250 might be good if your speakers are lacking in this area others wise it will muddy the sound.