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Rick22

Audioholic Intern
Hello I am looking at the Marantz sr8001 receiver, I am trying to find out if this receiver can handle 4 ohm speaker load,I have looked at the specs of this receiver online but can't seem to find out this rating, And secondly I want to know if this receiver is a good choice a receiver that i will use for years to come


thanks
 
Brian_the_King

Brian_the_King

Full Audioholic
Yes to both questions, but what speakers were you planning on using?
 
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Rick22

Audioholic Intern
The speakers that I am using are Studiolab's which are made by a Canadian company and all of these speakers are rated at 4ohms.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
The speakers that I am using are Studiolab's which are made by a Canadian company and all of these speakers are rated at 4ohms.
http://www.studiolab.ca/products/


I've never heard of these before. Which model are they?

What is the efficiency of these speakers and how big is the room that you are using them in? My concern is if they are low efficiency and the room is large, you may push the receiver into clipping.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Marantz officially states 6 Ohms on the back of pretty much every amp/receiver. I am using all 4 Ohm speakers with my 8300 and I could hear stress with it at elevated levels, so if going with 4 Ohm all the way around it probably won't suffice by itself. Just adding the monoblocks for the mains removed any issues for me though.
 
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mdrew

Audioholic
I’m using the 8001 with my 4 ohm speakers and can’t get the receiver to clip or shut down. My speakers are pretty efficient though, so you may want to print out specs of mine and yours to compare.

As are as holding you over for a few years, I suppose so, but who knows what new gizmos get thrown out there a year from now?? It will accept 7.1 multi-channel PCM as long as your source will decode bitstream formats and send it on, that’s really all you need.

If you do buy one, make sure it has the latest firmware installed from the factory. Service centers don’t seam to know what in the hell they’re doing with these Marantz receivers.
 
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mdrew

Audioholic
You all are more than welcome to come over and prove me wrong. But until you do, the receiver is not clipping. If I have to explain what clipping is and how one can hear it to either one of you, then there really is no point in continuing this conversation.
 
no. 5

no. 5

Audioholic Field Marshall
You all are more than welcome to come over and prove me wrong. But until you do, the receiver is not clipping. If I have to explain what clipping is and how one can hear it to either one of you, then there really is no point in continuing this conversation.
Unless I missed my guess, they are not talking about that much clipping. As the audibility of clipping depends on how extensive the clipping is, and can at times be inaudible.
 

audioman00

Audioholic
anyways.......

back to the actual post..... ANY receiver that weighs over 30lbs can handle a 4ohm speaker level, and even 4ohms isn't TRUE 4ohms because it can sweep up and down the scale depending on the duty and frequency.... I have never had a problem with higher end receivers / amps running about any load I have come up with (alot mind you) just imo...
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Unless mdrew's room is really huge, it is not so hard to understand why he can't get the SR8001 to clip. For one thing, with a nice system that he has, I am sure he does not want to risk damaging his hearing. The Axiom M80 is rated 4 ohms, but it's in room SPL is 95 dB at 1W/1M. The SR8001 was tested to output 205W at 0.1% distortion, 250W at 1% distortion into 4 ohms, with two channels driven. That kind of power combined with his EP600 make it possible to drive the M80 without worrying about clipping, under most listening conditions.

Someone recently posted a link to an article that talks about how amps clip more often than people think they do. That certainly could have led people to believe more, that their own amps/receivers would clip now and then. I read the article and found nothing in it that could cause me to be concerned about clipping. I just don't listen to music any louder than I can experience in a live concert (I mean indoor classical, jazz kind of music). On the other hand, I guess drew knows that he can, if he really wanted to, make the SR7001 clip simply by cranking the volume right up in pure direct mode and while wearing hearing protection, but why would he (or anyone) do it?
 
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no. 5

Audioholic Field Marshall
On the other hand, I guess drew knows that he can, if he really wanted to, make the SR7001 clip simply by cranking the volume right up in pure direct mode and while wearing hearing protection, but why would he (or anyone) do it?
Would I be correct in assuming that even inaudible clipping would require really high volume?
 
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mdrew

Audioholic
When I first bought this receiver, I did not buy it without reservations. The M80’s are known to shut down receivers, as well as stand alone amplifiers. Axiom is very up front with their customers who are considering the M80’s and there are not many receivers that they recommend to customers. To find out what the receiver’s limitations were going to be, I did numerous listening tests in stereo, direct, pure, and also surround modes. During these little “tests”, I turned the sub off and set the mains to large.

In my room, there is no way I can pin the volume and not walk out without permanent hearing damage. I can however stay in the room and listen to multi channel music (SACD) at a fairly loud SPL. That being said, in multi channel surround, and an average SPL at my listening position 12’ away from the mains of 105 dbs, there is absolutely, no tell tail signs of clipping. To further experiment, I left the room and used my RF/IR remote and turned the volume to max and let an SACD disk play from beginning to end. Even though I was not in the room, I could not detect any oddities of sound and the receiver did not shut down.

The Marantz does not have a soft clip feature that I am aware of either. So if it were to clip, I’d know it.

All that aside, I do not recommend the 8001 to anyone. I have had other problems with it that I’ve reported here already. I am not a Marantz fan boy and will only report what I know and hear, and not what I think or believe without expressing those words.

The question of this post was whether or not the 8001 will drive a 4 ohm load. It will drive mine, so take that for what it’s worth. It will also process all LPCM inputs from HD and BR players and DSD from SACD players, so I consider it adequately ‘future proofed”.
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
To further experiment, I left the room and used my RF/IR remote and turned the volume to max and let an SACD disk play from beginning to end. Even though I was not in the room, I could not detect any oddities of sound and the receiver did not shut down.
Volume to max?:eek: OK.:rolleyes:
 
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mdrew

Audioholic
If you are going to call me a liar, sport a set of balls and just say it.
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
If you are going to call me a liar, sport a set of balls and just say it.
It's obvious. If I cranked my system to max, something would be toast. Quickly, within seconds. There is no way you played an entire SACD cranked to max, let alone your following statement,"I could not detect any oddities of sound and the receiver did not shut down.":rolleyes:

As for my balls, they are empty at the moment.:eek: Wife is knocked-up. I have a free pass.;):D

And, that is how honesty is done.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Would I be correct in assuming that even inaudible clipping would require really high volume?
How high is really high?:) Anyway, I would say it would require the volume to be high enough for the amp to output at a level higher than its rated output. If I remember correctly the 8001's distortion (it didn't say if it was THD or not) was 0.1% at 205W into 4 ohms based on HT lab measurements. According to the manual, it is rated 125W into 8 ohms at 0.08% THD. Based on those figures, it should not clip unless it outputs more than 125W. The M80 yields 95 dB SPL per 1W at 1 meter. 95 dB to me is unbearably loud. For in room situation, the inverse square law doesn't quite apply so you do the math (3 dB every time you double the output power) and figure out how loud it would be at 125W. My guess is that even for a very short duration it will be unbearable to the human ears, unless the room is very large, like 25X25X10 or larger...........

It is true that SPL falls off according to the inverse square law, but that is for free field condition only. I tried it in a 12X18X8 room, the SPL does not drop much more than 3 dB (instead of the expected 12 dB according to the inverse square law) from 1 meter to 4 meters.
 
pzaur

pzaur

Audioholic Samurai
ANY receiver that weighs over 30lbs can handle a 4ohm speaker level
I just gotta know how you came to this conclusion. Weight cannot be used as a measure to determine whether or not a receiver can handle a specified ohm load.

-pat
 

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