If the 805 is a beast, why is it soooo low help

[ematthews]

The volume

I have a new Onkyo 805. Klipsch RF82 and my sub is a Martin Logan Grotto I.
Pioneer SACD DVD player...No BD yet. This is all hooked up by component and Digital coax out to the rec. Just component to the TV


I have to turn the volume up to 70 to have good loud sound for my movies.
My Grotto I isn't loud as I want as well, Unless I turn the volume up to 9 or 10
I did use the automatic speaker setting with mic on set up. The sound is clear and balanced....Just not having the WOW factor at all....

If this is the REC/AMP to have at this price point and it has a lot of power
Then something is wrong....I am almost to the point of sending it back and going with a Denon....I got the Onkyo cheap as well. I don't think I will match it at the 599 price point. Any suggestions??????????????????????

 

[adk highlander]

Using auto calabration will setup the system to play at reference levels when the dial is at 0. I think you must have your volume set to the other scaling configuration to get to 70.

Audyssy will modify the levels for each speaker help flatten your room response. This does in may cases change how much you have to turn up the volume to reach a certain SPL. Check to make sure the crossover settings and distances that Audyssy calculated are correct. Also rerun it with more or less postions to see if that helps.

I find it hard to believe that that receiver and very sensitive speakers like Klipsch will not reach ear bleeding levels.

How big is your room?

 

[Vart]

My 805 only goes to +18. How are oyu getting to +70?

Generally I keep mine aorund -35 to -30 for normal listening.

 

[adk highlander]

My 805 only goes to +18. How are oyu getting to +70?

Generally I keep mine aorund -35 to -30 for normal listening.

In the setup menu there are two volume scaling settings. I cannot remember what they are called and I'm too lazy to run downstairs. Sorry One is the one we use that uses 0 as a reference and the other goes from 0-100

 

[Vart]

In the setup menu there are two volume scaling settings. I cannot remember what they are called and I'm too lazy to run downstairs. Sorry One is the one we use that uses 0 as a reference and the other goes from 0-100

Yeah, you're right. Relative and absolute. Ours is on relative.

 

[jvgillow]

I have the 805 also but haven't tried the absolute one yet. If it does go all the way up to 100, then 70 sounds just about right for decent movie volume.

That would correlate to -12dB from reference. The increase in volume is disproportionate as you get into the higher numbers.

So 70/100 doesn't mean you are using 70% of the receiver's power. It's a common misconception. At -12dB in a properly calibrated system you are only going to get channel peaks around 93dB during explosions and gunfights and other really loud segments of movies.

Bump up the volume to 77/100 and I bet you will be really rocking for movies, maybe even too loud for your tastes.

If you are having to adjust the sub channel to +9 or +10db, you should increase the gain knob on your sub and leave the channel set around 0dB instead of boosting it on the receiver.

 

[ematthews]

Here is Martin Logan's suggestion
Set
Level to 4
Set 25hz to 0db
Phase to 90
Set low pass to 45hz

I have no idea what all the subs settings mean. Can anyone help with this and let me know what to adjust to get a lounder or deeper setting. Thanks

Here is some specs
Grotto i Specifications

Frequency Response:
22–120 Hz ±3dB; Anechoic through LFE effects input
Low Pass Filter Frequencies:
30, 35, 45, 55, 65, 80Hz
High Pass Filter Frequency:
70Hz
Phase:
0°, 90°, 180°, 270°
25Hz Level Control:
±10 dB
Woofer Type:
10" (25.4cm) high excursion, aluminum cone with extended throw drive assembly, sealed non-resonant asymmetrical chamber format
Amplifier:
300W (at less than 0.5% THD)
900W (peak)
Inputs:
Left/Right RCA Line Level, RCA LFE, Speaker Level
Outputs:
RCA Sub Out (all inputs summed), RCA Right/Left (with High Pass Filter)
Input Impedance:
20,000 Ohms
Power Draw:
Max: 250 Watts
Idle: 15 Watts
Standby: 10 Watts
Weight:
51 lbs. each (23.2 kg)
Dimensions (HxWxD):
18.6" × 15.2" × 13.8" (47.3 × 38.6 × 35 cm)
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[adk highlander]

What crossover settings are you using for your front speakers? If you have them set to full range then your sub is only doing the LFE portion of the encoding and not any of the work of the front speakers. Set the crossover to between 60-80 and see how that works.

 

[ematthews]

Not sure. I will have to find out how to change that on the Rec. Thanks

 

[AVRat]

The sub should be connected via the LFE input which bypasses its x-over settings. Phase is generally set at 0 for starters. The level of 4 to whatever half-way is is appropriate. In the Onkyo, the x-over settings are set in the speaker settings menu (pg 86) for each speaker set generally at 80 Hz (THX).

Audyssey may have set the speaker levels lower than normal and should be -/+ a few dBs from 0, (pg 90).

 

[Gatsby191]

The volume

I have a new Onkyo 805. Klipsch RF82 and my sub is a Martin Logan Grotto I.
Pioneer SACD DVD player...No BD yet. This is all hooked up by component and Digital coax out to the rec. Just component to the TV


I have to turn the volume up to 70 to have good loud sound for my movies.
My Grotto I isn't loud as I want as well, Unless I turn the volume up to 9 or 10
I did use the automatic speaker setting with mic on set up. The sound is clear and balanced....Just not having the WOW factor at all....

If this is the REC/AMP to have at this price point and it has a lot of power
Then something is wrong....I am almost to the point of sending it back and going with a Denon....I got the Onkyo cheap as well. I don't think I will match it at the 599 price point. Any suggestions??????????????????????

I had the very same problem with my SR875 at first. After a few phone calls(I love Onkyo's AVRs, but their Customer Service Sucks IMHO) to Onkyo, I figured it out, and now we can't watch a movie at anything above -12.0 on the volume unless we want blood to start streaming from our ears.
I had used Audessey, and I found the settings it had made were just right for my room. So I went into the set up menu's speaker calibration and I took note of the differences that Audessey had set between each speaker, and I just "upped" the levels on each speaker while keeping the differences betrween each speaker at the same amount that Audessey had set between them.
It only took me about 10 minutes to do, and the difference was night and day.
I am almost positive that this will end any woes you have over the power of your SR805.
Good Luck! Joe B.

 

[brendy]

I have a 602 and using the absolute scale I run around 60 for normal listening.Do not worry too much about what number the volume display says.If you bump up the channel levels it will lower how high the main volume control will go.

 

[MatthewB.]

I am using "relative" on my Onkyo 805 (as a preamp mind you) and I like my volume loud during movies, So I have my volume normally at -10 to -6 (depending on the source) and it gets my theater rockin. Although it goes to +18 on an relative scale that would +18 to -10 which would be a total of 28 on the relative scale. So if to switch it around to a absolute scale it would be100-28 which would be 72. So you are just about where you want to be.

Enjoy your reciever.