If Hd Dvd Dies, Will You Buy Bd?

Duffinator

Duffinator

Audioholic Field Marshall
For those that haven't jumped on the bandwagon yet, will you buy a Bluray player if HD DVD dies off officially? How about you guys that already own HD DVD machines, will you go ahead and buy a Bluray player? Will you wait for Black Friday or will you purchase on onset of breaking news from Toshiba?
I own a HD player and was planning on buying a BD player before the unofficial end of the war. I'm still planning on buying a BD player but now I'm holding off a few more months to see if any of the new players will decode and output the new audio formats via analog connections. My plan all along was not to buy any HD discs, which I didn't, and to use the player in my bedroom as an upconverting player if HD lost. Which it did and I will. :D
 
I don't want to give them too much credit, but if it were MY show, I'd incentivize one or two of the final studios to bail before the end of the year, drop the prices on players and solidify Blu-ray as the future niche HD format... that is, until downloads take over.
 
patnshan

patnshan

Senior Audioholic
I don't want to give them too much credit, but if it were MY show, I'd incentivize one or two of the final studios to bail before the end of the year, drop the prices on players and solidify Blu-ray as the future niche HD format... that is, until downloads take over.
Me too. That would give them a chance at their goal, getting the players in everyone's home. At the current prices, no way in hell.

Pat
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
Here's something to mull over, if it took two competing formats combined to penetrate barely 10% in shares, what will that equation be if one falters? This is what the OP was getting at. Will the old HD DVD faithfull pull ranks come over to the blue side and try and keep penetration at roughly 10% or just hold on to their defunct format untill the NBT (Next Big Thing) arrives, some claim that'll be downloads. I'm not 100% sold on that yet, physical media appeals to a large number of people, it's like cash, it feels good in the palms of your hands. So that being the case, the end of HD DVD might bring an early retirement to Bluray if numbers don't improve and consumers don't bite, then it'll be a real niche player just like LD, just something to think about. Remember the economy and this past Christmas sales numbers!
 
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Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
I'm no die-hard fanboy. There was a time when I think HD-DVD had the better mousetrap but they failed to capitalize on it. If, as it's starting to appear, the format war is almost over I'll definately start buying BluRay.

Just as soon as they release a $250 player.
 
Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
I don't want to give them too much credit, but if it were MY show, I'd incentivize one or two of the final studios to bail before the end of the year, drop the prices on players and solidify Blu-ray as the future niche HD format... that is, until downloads take over.

If/when things go to all-downloads, I just might take the opportunity to retire from the hobby. I can't say for sure, but currently I have no interest in renting-via-download. If that becomes the model, and unless a consumer-friendly DRM scheme emerges, I'll just enjoy the thousand or so movies I'll already have by then and catch the occasional new one at the multiplex. That would be a good excuse to stop chasing HT and get solidly back to a focus on music.

BTW, if music went to all downloads...well, I already have enough music to listen to for a couple lifetimes.
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
Screw downloads! I like shiny plastic discs in cases as they don't crash and corrupt all your data.
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
downloads ain't gonna happen in the next 5 years. maybe even 10.

you forget the rest of the world have dial ups.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
We'll likely buy a few of the $299 BD-Live-enabled players that go on special discount this Christmas season... oh, was that a prediction? ;)
I don't think this is kind at all. BD 1.1 players are out now at $399 MSRP and will be more readily available. It is very likely that by this holiday season $299 we will see BD 2.0 players and that the 299 price point isn't even going to be a special.

Actually, if you look at the drop in price of players over the last 18 months since launch we see about a 50% price drop... or more. While some of this drop may be due to pressure from HD DVD, it also comes from the necessity of competing with other Blu-ray manufacturers and the DVD industry. It is not unrealistic to expect to see more fully featured players come to market while prices fall another 25% by the end of 2007 for normal pricing.

It just seems so silly to me that people are stuck with the here and now picture of technology while so eagerly lapping up other technologies which have so much further to go.

Downloads are a joke. Period. They don't even have the possibility of reaching 75% of America that doesn't have broadband right now - yet people are waxing poetic about how great it will be when you can't own your own HD media.

I guess you were a huge supporter of DivX over DVD correct?

Is that harsh? I don't see how it could be considering that is EXACTLY what Apple is pushing. A heavily DRM protected download, non-ownership, non-sharable format with severe limitations on usage.

When you have something - ANYTHING - worthwhile to show me in the HDDL category, please, let me know.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
Here's something to mull over, if it took two competing formats combined to penetrate barely 10% in shares, what will that equation be if one falters? This is what the OP was getting at. Will the old HD DVD faithfull pull ranks come over to the blue side and try and keep penetration at roughly 10% or just hold on to their defunct format untill the NBT (Next Big Thing) arrives, some claim that'll be downloads. I'm not 100% sold on that yet, physical media appeals to a large number of people, it's like cash, it feels good in the palms of your hands. So that being the case, the end of HD DVD might bring an early retirement to Bluray if numbers don't improve and consumers don't bite, then it'll be a real niche player just like LD, just something to think about. Remember the economy and this past Christmas sales numbers!
I think it's actually far less than 10% at this time. But, the numbers for Blu-ray have outpaced the numbers compared to DVD at this point in the release of DVD. It isn't a sprint, but a marathon when you are talking about steering billions of dollars of resources and getting them out to consumers. So, while it could end up a niche, the end of the format war means that the general consumer has a much more directed and focussed buying strategy. It isn't "Do I buy Blu-ray or HD DVD?" - It becomes "Do I buy the Panasonic, or the Pioneer Blu-ray player?" When you remove doubt from consumers, consumer confidence grows and buying trends increase. This means that owners of existing players will also buy more discs because they are less concerned about their investment becoming worthless.

Yet, the future of Blu-ray most definitely is not assured. It isn't, as some would like to claim, destined to be a niche format - not when the buzzword in EVERY piece of CE advertising is HD. People want HD, and as player prices fall over the next few years (yes, years) more and more people will continue to buy in to HD, and they will gain consumer awareness of HD optical discs in the Blu flavor.

I'm not sure of how many formats have come to market which have ended up so prominently displayed on showroom floors, with so much CE backing, with so much studio backing - then went on to become a 'niche' product.

I sure didn't see this level of marketing from DVD-A or SACD. How much market was there for laser disc? A good technology, but not widely embraced - which is the model that Blu-ray should not be following.

10% would be phenomenal market share of a multi-billion dollar industry to take ownership of in 18 months. It isn't that much, but it would be extremely encouraging to investors (CE corporations and studios) that they are going down a very good road.

Warner Brothers claimed that Blu-ray was worth 63 million dollars MORE to them last year than HD DVD. Not sure if the 'more' is correct, or if the number represents net profit or gross sales. But, considering that Blu-ray had barely begun to walk (6 months) a year ago, it seems like a pretty amazing number to me.
 
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patnshan

patnshan

Senior Audioholic
A good start to improve adoption of HDM would be to sue the crap off of every company who uses "HD" to describe their upconverting DVD players.
J6P already thinks they have an HD player:rolleyes:

I realize that nobody "owns" the right to use HD, but it is absolutely terrible that they continue to steer unsuspecting consumers wrong.

Pat
 
aberkowitz

aberkowitz

Audioholic Field Marshall
A good start to improve adoption of HDM would be to sue the crap off of every company who uses "HD" to describe their upconverting DVD players.
J6P already thinks they have an HD player:rolleyes:

I realize that nobody "owns" the right to use HD, but it is absolutely terrible that they continue to steer unsuspecting consumers wrong.

Pat
But these are the same people that think they have high-definition tv b/c they went out and bought a Plasma/LCD/DLP but they still have their old cable box with a coaxial cable going into the back of the tv. :confused:
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Digital high def comes across just fine through that coaxial cable, but I get your point.
 
J

Joe Schmoe

Audioholic Ninja
I would have to buy a substantially larger TV before either format would interest me.
 
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frostbyte

Audioholic
What gets me is all the people that spend extra to buy a high def 1080P TV and have no plans to get any way to actually view that content. A 720P will be just as good for Satellite Standard def, Cable, DVD's etc. I personally can't tell the difference in a 1080i, 1080P, 720P TV if viewing a standard def signal. But they just HAVE to have the best TV. If they are saving up to get a Blu Ray, or Comcast HD or any HD broadcasting, then that's different, but so many just think having the TV is all they ahve to do.
 
Geno

Geno

Senior Audioholic
I'm finally going to pull the trigger on BD, but I'm waiting for a player that'll decode the new audio formats internally. I have a 1 year old Denon 4306 which doesn't decode Dolby TrueHD or DTS HDMaster. I understand the upcoming Panny 50 will be what I'm looking for.
 
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