I would like to thank the American people

darien87

darien87

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I never thought it would happen in my lifetime. But I am ecstatic to be proven wrong. As a person that has been a victim of racism, I didn't think that I would live to see the day that a black man would be elected President. Regardless of anyone's political affiliation, it warms my heart to see that prejudice appears to be on the decline in this country.

Unfortunately, Proposition 8, (ban on gay marriage), seems to have passed in California. So we obviously still have a ways to go to reach true equality. I find it interesting that Prop 2, (Animal rights), passed but so did Prop 8. Apparently we would rather give rights to chickens and cows than people.

This is not a Democrat/Republican thing. I am truly just glad that I lived to see this historic day.

Thank you to the American people.
 
STRONGBADF1

STRONGBADF1

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Hey Darien,

It is good to see that a person of color can get elected President. Gives me hope that prejudice is on the decline and we as a nation can focus on real issues.

SBF1
 
Halon451

Halon451

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I agree with the post - I may not have agreed with Obama's political points of view, and didn't think he was necessarily the best candidate to run this country, but what is good that I can take away from this is that we have indeed crossed a significant milestone in which it is now possible for an African American to achieve the highest office in this country. Take away the politics and focus on that one aspect, and it's very exciting. :)
 
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God's Law regarding Gay Marriage

Sometimes people get confused about what is right and what is wrong and then it is time to look in the bible. I am not against gays and I wish them well, but I do not believe in legalizing gay marriage as a right. Our Pledge of Allegiance says we our one nation under god. If so we should as a nation follow god’s laws. God passed down through Mosses the laws regarding sex. In the bible it says, “Do not lie down with a man as you would with a woman, for it is despicable,” If we as a nation recognize gay marriage, we would be putting man’s law above god’s law and we could be putting ourselves in a very bad position, and render the Pledge of Allegiance invalid. This is not an opinion, it is God’s law written true and clear.

However individuals are responsible for following or not following god’s laws. There are other religions and atheists and we as a nation should not restrict their right to their own beliefs. We should not however legalize gay marriage and lead people, and especially our youth, to believe that being gay is alright. God says no gay behavior and it is not a personal opinion. I am not a real church person, but I can read the Bible and believe in it particularly when it is so clear on this point. Our country still has to have morals and the “anything you do is ok attitude” needs to be turned around in this case.
 
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Mort Corey

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Apparently we would rather give rights to chickens and cows than people.
I think that sums up Kaleefornia pretty well :D But look on the bright side...it also appears we'll have a multi billion dollar bullet train that nobody will ride, that will never be built and likely never exceed 50mph even if it does run and we'll only have to pay for it for thirty years. Ain't it grand?;)

Mort (native of this wacky state)
 
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jvgillow

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In the bible it says, “Do not lie down with a man as you would with a woman, for it is despicable,”
So does it say anything about a woman lying down with another woman? :D
 
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jostenmeat

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I didn't think that I would live to see the day that a black man would be elected President.
+1. I pretty much said exactly that last night. Actually, I said, "I didn't think I'd see this happen in my lifetime". I was also nearly positive that I would see a woman at the helm before a black person.

Unfortunately, Proposition 8, (ban on gay marriage), seems to have passed in California. So we obviously still have a ways to go to reach true equality.
+1.

I find it interesting that Prop 2, (Animal rights), passed but so did Prop 8. Apparently we would rather give rights to chickens and cows than people.
Yeah. . . I was talking about this prop with friends last night. Most people i know voted against this, because they said we have the best regulation in food quality already. By increasing prices, they are afraid of more importation, which invariably leads to poorer quality control, such as from our neighboring country, Mexico.

This is not a Democrat/Republican thing. I am truly just glad that I lived to see this historic day.

Thank you to the American people.
+1.
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
Obama is not black people.....

Have you seen this man dance...? :D:p
 
Halon451

Halon451

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Sometimes people get confused about what is right and what is wrong and then it is time to look in the bible. I am not against gays and I wish them well, but I do not believe in legalizing gay marriage as a right. Our Pledge of Allegiance says we our one nation under god. If so we should as a nation follow god’s laws. God passed down through Mosses the laws regarding sex. In the bible it says, “Do not lie down with a man as you would with a woman, for it is despicable,” If we as a nation recognize gay marriage, we would be putting man’s law above god’s law and we could be putting ourselves in a very bad position, and render the Pledge of Allegiance invalid. This is not an opinion, it is God’s law written true and clear.

However individuals are responsible for following or not following god’s laws. There are other religions and atheists and we as a nation should not restrict their right to their own beliefs. We should not however legalize gay marriage and lead people, and especially our youth, to believe that being gay is alright. God says no gay behavior and it is not a personal opinion. I am not a real church person, but I can read the Bible and believe in it particularly when it is so clear on this point. Our country still has to have morals and the “anything you do is ok attitude” needs to be turned around in this case.
I think a lot of people confuse the concept of "Separation of Church and State" with the idea that no mention should ever be made of religion, which is a false pretense. The concept of "Separation" was intended to prevent the government from forcing it's people to subscribe to one particular religion, as was the case in Europe and England prior to the American Revolutionary era. The founding fathers wanted a strong moral compass to guide this country, and chose to invoke certain aspects of Christianity into their philosophy that basically endears us all, as humans, to be decent to one another.

Now, I will also state that I am not a religious person. I do not agree that we should dictate what a person should and should not do, "because the Bible says so", as many people do not, in fact, prescribe to the Bible as their source document for living. However, I see nothing wrong with using the principles of good morality, judgment and common decency that are present in the Bible as a template for good living, because many of those concepts are extremely valid, whether you are a Christian or not. I believe that to come from your perspective, Exit and quote specific Bible passages does not get the message across these days as effectively as you might think.

We are one nation "under God" as described in the Pledge, and I can totally respect that, even if I don't particularly believe in the theological implications. I believe that it does represent the decency and humanity that we as Americans would/should/could adhere to as a nation, and will not ever challenge that phrases' right to belong. With this many religions present in this country, there are likewise many "Gods" under which we live, or lack thereof, depending.

Bottom line, is we do need to place a definition on what is considered right and what is considered wrong, from a moral standpoint - I do believe that homosexuality is a perversion by many standards of living, religious or otherwise, but I can respect their rights and desires to live their life the way they want to. I have no control over that. Whether it defies God's law remains to be seen, but I think that it certainly defies Natural Law. And when my children grow older and start paying attention to the world around them, I do not want them to confuse that precarious line between right and wrong, good and evil, or decent and immoral; with a country or society that is attempting to erase said line a little more and more each day.
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

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I didn't think that I would live to see the day that a black man would be elected President.
Thank you to the American people.
Congratulations to President Elect Obama for winning, and running a masterful campaign!

I have one question:
Why does a half white Hawaiian multi-millionaire, passing himself off as a black man from Chicago, always get called African-American, or black?

Is this just another flavor of racism?
 
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jvgillow

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Congratulations to President Elect Obama for winning, and running a masterful campaign!

I have one question:
Why does a half white Hawaiian multi-millionaire, passing himself off as a black man from Chicago, always get called African-American, or black?

Is this just another flavor of racism?
Because it's less awkward than calling him a "half white" person all the time? :confused:

With a father from Kenya, I'd say he has more than enough justification to be called "African-American," but that's just my opinion.
 
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"So does it say anything about a woman lying down with another woman?"

I don't know off hand I haven't really looked for that. I only knew this because I looked it up for my daughter's report on the topic as a counterpoint to the other "for gay marriage" viewpoint. I don't think she used it though. It seems sometimes God is male-centric in a lot of things and doesn't speak as much about women. I think you can infer what his viewpoint would be however. I will have to go back and look for it. It may be awhile, but now I am wondering too.

Regarding my first post, God is not wishy washy or vague on his law regarding homosexuality and I wanted to make it as black and white as possible, because some people are not aware this law exists in the bible. Some people don't like what God said for various reasons and choose to ignore it as some kind of religious right malarky. I know religion is out of fashion nowadays and people want to do whatever suits them. Its happened before and it will probably happen again.
 
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Rickster71

Rickster71

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With a father from Kenya, I'd say he has more than enough justification to be called "African-American," but that's just my opinion.
So, you're adding sexism on top of it?
Why would the white mother's race be less important than the father's?
 
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jvgillow

Full Audioholic
So, you're adding sexism on top of it?
Why would the white mother's race be less important than the father's?
Sexism? What are you talking about?

I'm saying that he is justified in considering himself an African-American if that is the label that he wants to use. Black father from Africa, white mother from Hawaii. I'm not saying the father's race is "superior" or anything of that sort.

I do think a lot of people would find it surprising if he referred to himself as "white" though, due to his physical appearance. "Mixed-race" is the most appropriate designation but not commonly used.

Judging by the results of the election, he had plenty of support from people of all races in America. White, black, hispanic, and others. Which is the most important thing after all. :)
 
OttoMatic

OttoMatic

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I have one question:
Why does a half white Hawaiian multi-millionaire, passing himself off as a black man from Chicago, always get called African-American, or black?

Is this just another flavor of racism?
Are you really so ignorant as to not understand this, or did you just pick this up from Limbaugh's talking points?
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
Sexism? What are you talking about?

I'm saying that he is justified in considering himself an African-American if that is the label that he wants to use. Black father from Africa, white mother from Hawaii. I'm not saying the father's race is "superior" or anything of that sort.

I do think a lot of people would find it surprising if he referred to himself as "white" though, due to his physical appearance. "Mixed-race" is the most appropriate designation but not commonly used.

Judging by the results of the election, he had plenty of support from people of all races in America. White, black, hispanic, and others. Which is the most important thing after all. :)
I've always found reactions interesting, when race gets viewed from a different standpoint.
Though,I'm kinda torn on this one.
For instance, what would a half black, half Chinese person be called?

Seems like Obama has always played down his 'white half' and focused on being black.
 
Haoleb

Haoleb

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Its funny how during the campaign his race was rarely ever mentioned but after he is elected its the first thing people say. But rightly so, It wasnt that long ago that a so called black man being the president of the united states of america was simply ludicrous. As Obama stated in his speech about the 106 year old woman, Look how far we have come in her lifetime. Not just with racial issues but technology and so on. Just think what we can do in another 100 (if we dont blow the entire world up with nuclear weapons first) :rolleyes:
 

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