mtrycrafts said:
[bI once champion ABX testing. It's probably about the only thing that can really yield an objective unbiased conclusion when making comparisons. But the results seems to be merely statistical.[/b]
Well, that is what science is about. I am so glad medical science uses it as well as all sciences that use DBT protocol.
Any process that yield statistical results are just that- statistical PROBABILITIES. I'm so glad the government doesn't follow statisical trending in any election to proclaim a candidate leading in a statistically poll as the winner.
Statistics can guide but cannot serve as the TRUTH or a LAW the way some pundits would have me believe the results of statistical ABX tests are. If such a result can be made into a LAW like some laws in electro-physics, then I can abandon my point. But I think there's a higher statistical probablity that crows can turn white overnight before all cables and amps sounding the same will ever be a sceintific law.
I'm not so sure now that it really matters in this hobby.
I suppose that would depend on the answers you seek and how the oucome compares to what you seek.
Whatever the answer I seek, they are certainly not about zip cords and $300 receivers.
That article sounds like blind testing will lead to the conclusion that a ride on a Toyota Corolla will be the same as a ride on a Mercedes Benz S-class.
Sheer speculation on your part, of course. And if it doesn't test out the same?
Interesting that even wine is tested DBT.
Right, statistics is just a more scientific way of speculating.
Listening to home playback system can overreach the Hi-Fidelity objective so that it assumes pride of ownership and a personal and social statement.
If you are looking for a social statemt, then there is really no need to even listen, just buy that will meet this goal. Preferences are not testable very well at all.
Bingo. This hobby is about preferences.
Ofcourse, if a pundit proclaims that a $300 receiver sounds the same as a $15,000 amp, fine.
Just as fine if a self appointed golden ear claims that that $15K amp is audibly different. Or, claims something else for it that can be tested in an objective manner.
LOL,
He probably doesn't have to claim it. Admittedly, a $15k amp can be too much. But there's this saying: "you only get what you pay for." What do you get with a 15K amp. I think you better ask the people who buy rolls and benzes.
That's very comforting to those who can't afford. No different from saying, whether you're in a corolla or a benz, you'd sitll be stuck in traffic.
I just love these apples and orange comparison, don't you?
Yup, they're both round, edible, delicious, grows from seeds, peelable, can be juiced, diced, canned, osterized, nutritive, etc.
Except the color and texture.
Seriously, if the analogy escapes you, I am not surprised. But I must credit those ABX tests as very comforting to those who can't afford, don't you?
Never mind if that $15,000 amp carries a lifetime warranty.
I can buy a hell of a lot of $300 amps, brand new in my lifetime before coming close to $15k.
Sure thing. Like going in circles.
Never mind if that $15,000 amp is built like a tank requiring 3 people to carry.
If that is what you want, then that is an issue of preference. Don't even need to listen, just pay by the weight.
Nope, if someone can invent a 5-channel 300wpc amp that is as light as a feather, I'd get one. But since you like statistics so much, what are the odds that amps become lighter as they scale up the power rating?
Never mind if that $15,000 amp was almost hand-built by a team of dedicated audiophile technicians using cost-no-object parts on uncompromising circuit designs that only deliver 50 units a month to the dealers nationwide.
Obviously cost-no-object parts list didn't help those dedicated techs and designers. It may impress some, if that is what they prefer. Has nothing to do with sound obviously.
Well, it isnt that obvious to someone who may have come across a cheap electrolytic capacitor that failed earlier and introduced sonic artifcacts into what he hears. Or to someone who has come across some cheap amp circuitry that rolls off -3db at 40hz instead of 15Hz. Or to some plastic parts that deformed after a few hours of intensive listening.
Never mind if that $15,000 amp can drive 1 ohm loads without ever getting too hot.
If you need that capability, that is a consideration, yes. Maybe there are other amps with that capability for less?
There are, but why question someone who can afford it and wants it?
Just get the cheapest you can come across.
That will do the job?
Won't it? I thought your ABX testing said a $300 reciever will do the same job as a $15,000 amp?
It will take you to your listening destinaton just the same.
Yes,
What a dreary world.
Why? You are not prevented for buying that Benz or that $15k amp. Obviously there is a market for it.
I would hate to see everyone owning the same $300 receiver.
Why? It is a choice.
It reminds me of TV scenes about the old Brezhnev Kremlin and Mao-Tse Tung China with their identical lookng cars and drab grey outfits.
It shouldn't. You are not forced to comply here. You have a choice.
Thanks for reminding me I have a choice. All the while I thought an ABX testing that says a $15,000 amp sounds no different from a $300 is meant to throw cold water on those contemplating on such a choice.
