I Thought 7.1 Receiver Plays Music ?

[Lordoftherings]

Very true Patrick, as we already mentioned that point before (about the price difference and the superior audio quality performance of the NAD).

Bob

Note: See below quote from Patrick.

 

[Lordoftherings]

Going from a $500 AVR to a $2300 one, I'd sure as hell expect a difference!

I don't know how you had everything set-up with the 1016, but it looks like you have 8 speakers instead of 7, though if you're playing music in stereo that probably wouldn't matter as far as stressing the amp goes. We also don't know how large of a room you're trying to fill, but again it doesn't seem like you'd be starved of wattage w/ the 1016.

The NAD probably just has better digital processing and cleaner power. As it should for that price.

Just adding your quote here in related response to my above post. Happens when you turn to a new page. So instead of deleting my post and starting all over, I just used this method here for my very first time. I'll check if it's sounds right... It does.

 

[JAMS]

yes Pat its a 7.2 for ht also

The rm is 20ftx13 with a den opening and the living room is rectangle and listening on ht 13ft from center fr.spkrs, rear beta 20s bl&br 5.5 ft away side bic ht-63 4.5ft semi dipole design, ive both subs 14ft apart 1 10" sub in the front left corner of the room and the velo sub 15ft along that wall leading too the den , and this den is a bass trap resonator at richterscale 8.4 mag i swear its pumping thru the walls or something!
But thats ok i can move the birdcage i guess,he pulling feathers out nowdays!
Any way the NAD has a high degree of note resolution that even standup jazz bass has the subs vibrating the fading deep bass notes perfectly ,just like its in your room!
The vsx1016 does good jurassic park on the subs but it didnt pass muster on digital cd , its sounded ok but 1.5yrs of trying too cut volume up but allways cutting it down because something i didnt like was in the sound,it been irratating ,even discribing it is difficult,like 2 out of phase signals clashing causing ringing simbalance !
So i dithered around the enternet and arcam along with cambridge & rotel, well i was thinking $1400.00 maybe, but no way too pricey!
The nad was well spoken of ,as was the rotel and others,then i found the nadt765 and i was so freaked out when i heard what this unit can do after i half assed set it up with the xover spkr setting wrong!
Im glad im not crazy,that sound i heard is gone and replaced buy fine sounding cd-music playback at low or high volume!

The 1016 sounded good on dvd movies, and music audio on dvd was good,but digital cd music playback depressed me along while and i had too try something, whew , $999.99 , so glad im not crazy,its a fabulous sounding receiver all around ht&cd
OH the den is weird with bass,but its only there not in the listening position area at all!
Hey i was kidding about the bird! lol
The Rotel was the best in the detailed high notes according a pro reveiwer somewhere!
If i get a upscaling cd-player i will look at AUDIOGON on the web where i found the NAD !
They seem like good people and sell highend only stuff! used ,factory refurb,There a nad dealer along with other brands!
I bought a beyerdynamic pro 880 headphones and did hear the cd sounding awesome on the pioneer but i wanted the infinitys to be better than they were!
My ears are real note picky,i was allways tuning my guitar as perfect sounding as possible! Did that forever it seems!
Well yippie ki a im off all next week on annual leave, Got to go too buckroe pier at nite with the rods&reels one night!
Im in hampton va, by the hampton roads bridge tunnel area!
This redtail hawk around here needs his *** kicked,he is snacking on birds all day swooping in,two blue jays got after him and the hawk killed one jay!
We have rabbits everywhere but he likes birds,hum! One big bad bugey there!
wheres a crow when you need one?? Y.T. JIM,JAMS

 

[JAMS]

The power question

Forgot your question on power!
THE VSX1016 was truely loud and 7ch stereo mode was so loud with 7dbs left too go it was dangerous without protection!
HOLDING ONE EAR CLOSED i was getting killed it was that intense!
The beta 50s on the front didnt crack up but i couldnt go any futher, it was insane too!
The unit was allways a mildly warm running receiver not ever hot!
8ohm spkrs were easily driven !
The nad has a rather large power supply and at 90watt a ch has tremendous power about equal with the 1016,but with 4-8" spkrs up front the bass is phenomenal and so musical!
The volume slope is too steep on the bass sub x/over on the 1016,the subs get louder quicker going up in volume,than the passive spkrs!
The nads 2 sub outputs increase the subs volume evenly with the other spkrs thru high vol range on down!
Oh the nad runs a tidbit cooler than the 1016!
I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE PIONEER it seems too be a reliable receiver, it doesnt deserve any unjust complaints!
Im just that darn picky !!!!

 

[Lordoftherings]

Ty

Thanks JAMS for your two above posts, I really enjoyed reading your impressions,
and I can totally relate with you man.

You have a great weekend,
Bob

 

[JAMS]

master dts codec

I need the nad upgrade for the lossles codecs my hdmi will only do video!
My ps3 would decode the lossless codec but not on optical!
Oh well, i did play the dvd bd the hulk and it was tremendous on action sequences!
Black ice was recorded nice,vocals were laid back as the screaming singer
was clear but recessed enough ,thank goodness!
I might try some good blues guitar stuff on 365live radio on the net!
Wish i had a good DAC for the net also!

 

[Lordoftherings]

No problemo JAMS > You are already set for the new high resolution audio codecs.

I need the nad upgrade for the lossles codecs my hdmi will only do video!
My ps3 would decode the lossless codec but not on optical!
Oh well, i did play the dvd bd the hulk and it was tremendous on action sequences!
Black ice was recorded nice,vocals were laid back as the screaming singer
was clear but recessed enough ,thank goodness!
I might try some good blues guitar stuff on 365live radio on the net!
Wish i had a good DAC for the net also!

Hey Jams, your PlayStation3 will output those new high res. audio codecs converted to LPCM, without any loss of resolution, through it's HDMI output, and into your NAD T 765 A/V receiver. Your Nad receiver has HDMI version 1.3, which pass the high resolution audio and video.

Just remember to set your PS3 audio output, from it's HDMI audio out, in the audio menu, to Multichannel Linear PCM, that's all, you should be all set to go man.

* AC/DC new album "Black Ice", you like?

~ Try some great Blues by John Hammond "Wicked Grin" (HDCD encoded), and "Back Porch".
~ Do you like Harry Manx ("Dog my Cat", and all his other albums)? Lucinda Williams (All her albums), several HDCD encoded?
~ Rita Chiarelli? Ronnie Earl? Steve Earle (All his albums), several of them HDCD encoded?
~ Terry Evans "Walk that Walk"? Mighty Sam McClain "Blues for the Soul"?
~ Doug Macleod "Wose Truth, Whose Lies"? Guy Davis "Butt Naked Free", and "Give in Kind"? Both HDCD encoded.
~ Roy Rogers "Pleasure and Pain"? Keb Mo "Slow Down", and "Keep it Simple"?
~ Paul Geremia "The Devil's Music"? All in HDCD encoded.
~ Ted Hawkins "The Next Hundred Years"? Jorma Kaukonen "Blue Country Heart"? ...???

---> All these guys and guyles are some of the best, and they produced many magnificent albums. Some on SACDs, and some on excellently recorded CDs.
My collection on Blues Music is very vast, and if you want the very best titles from the very best artists, from the very best recordings on SACDs and CDs, just let me know and I'll give you a list right here man. How's that?

Cheers,
Bob

* HDCD = High Definition Compact Disc, compatible with any CD player.
--> Higher dynamics with much better bass and clarity at both extremities of the audio frequency range.

 

[JAMS]

hdmi supports video only

Unless my manual is wrong ,then i will need the upgraded hdmi board and i would then get an equalizer and a expanded menu, my only digital audio selection in menu is coax/optical!
HDMI isnt in menu selection but switches automatically when source is selected which in my case is source 2 ps3 for dvd blue ray/cd ect:
So i put the hdmi into #2 on the nad!
There are 2 versions of the t765, mine is not the hd version yet,at least that seems to be true,just like my vsx1016 it didnt accept audio thru hdmi either!
It passes thru video only!

Yes i would like your list selection on hdcd, im unfamilar with hdcd disc,must be a high density disc other than red book 44.1hz,i must research this format for ps3 too optimize the playback i think!
You could use send member message if you want too for list ect:

 

[Lordoftherings]

I didn't know that NAD has two versions of the T 765? Beats me man!

HDCD is just a special recording process that allows a wider dynamic range,
but still within the CD audio codec resolution. It's a 20-bit process,
but still play at 16-bit by the playback source.
If you have an HDCD decoder, or in your player, or in you receiver, you'll benefit the most.
Still, without an HDCD decoder, these CDs sound great.

To give you a list of those, just goggle "HDCD audio recordings".

* The best way to get high res audio with your PS3, is from the HDMI out, set to Multichannel Linear PCM, and going through a receiver with at least HDMI version 1.1 or higher, and from
a Blu-ray disc. There are several Blu-ray music live concerts now, that sound phenomenal.

Bob

 

[JAMS]

ps3 menu is a hair puller

ps3 is cpu configurable and complicated,first off i figured too allow multichannel pcm playback menu option,choose hdmi input first!
Then i figured the options would show up in menu?
I found the audio settings and it showed bit rate and hz but 24/96hz pcm was not there??
2ch-96hz pcm was along w/dts-es and the dolby surr. mode multichannel but no other multichannel option?
Also i switched from bitstream to pcm audio format after the hdmi setting!
My 80gb ps3 would not even play a cd when i tried,error rereading disc,but i set it back as best i could remember and its ok!!
I would not want to go thru all the settings again for a dvd and switch again for blueray!
I think i was quite discobobulated, i felt a schitzoid embolizium comming on so i opened the nad manual and saw the hdmi doesnt support audio and whew!

 

[iso9001]

I would not want to go thru all the settings again for a dvd and switch again for blueray!

This.

Completely a pain in the ***.

 

[JAMS]

Better To Die

I will just get the nad module upgrade!
really was a cluster*$#@

 

[Lordoftherings]

I will just get the nad module upgrade!
really was a cluster*$#@

I'll say.

 

[JAMS]

vsx 1016 maybe a fine receiver

I Began this thread because i didnt like the digital cd-music thru the 1016 but learned alot since we have disscussed this thru 4 pages!
Belive me i did try every setting the 1016 had on setting up and ended up learning too unlearn what i thought was right but wasnt!
If thats confusing as can be,then try describing a somewhat obnoxious sound few people can notice!
I realize now over the years of playing a guitar, that ive been over listening trying too get that perfect sound of blending notes without the harshness that kills the good sound, at least trying for a decent sound at volume!

Some how i can say ive normal hearing -5db at 500hz in left ear,itself a miracle!!!
Im thinking ive impuned the carector of the 1016 badly ,and my being a type of listener thats not typical at all,so the vsx1016 likely is a fine sounding cd music playing receiver!
I just needed something better for cd digitally converted to analoge,
So i didnt want to 0ffend anyone here owning the 1016 unit at all,im keeping mine! Sorry ok!!!!
My ears dont lie,so im not taking anything back about bose,my user name on cnet is nobose,those sorry sobs just arnt %$#@!!!!! lol no kidding

 

[Lordoftherings]

^ So da must b de moral of da story den?

 

[JAMS]

Assuming is the first misstake we make

We newer audio enthusiest think we will like the whiz boxes before really comparing whats scattered in hi,fi land and like myself bought what i assumed would be fine but isnt!
Luckily ive found what i really cant help but lov!
I actually didnt imagine my spkrs could sound this amazing!
I didnt even know audio fidelity could be this overall amazing !
It is a gamble ,if your assuming its going to be ,what you want, but find it isnt
then oops thats a pile of money!
A audition isnt availible to most people on higher mid priced audio units!
Above bestbuy theres not much here!!!

A guy bought $10,000 spkrs and $$ mono block amps and everything was reference but he said it was irratating on cd-music and wanted to know what too try!
I certainly relate to this guy,seems we had the same problem,i didnt know either!
A combo laser reader should give up the data but the pre-amp or DAC combination has too deliver the goods very well or you just dont get the fidelity thats availible and thats the whole enchalada!
Better too save up and sift through the knowledge of others who really know what is what!
Im using $3200 of audio gear and the other $1200 worth of stuff is dormant!!
So im fine now,but $10,000 spkrs that dont sound nice makes me feel sorry for that enthusiest, yikes he needs a meridium or a great pre-amp,im still not sure, but im betting he will find it here or on another forum !

 

[Lordoftherings]

^ Now! This must be it! The true moral of the story. Cool man.

* Hey JAMS, I'm happy to announce that you just won a pair of loudspeakers,
valued at $10,000!
Congratulations man!

 

[JAMS]

A Happy Endind Finnally

A resolved issue is a nice ending,did you not get the im fine now part?
And the unhappy guy with the fabulous reference system that sounds irratating should open some eyes and ears on what you assume will sound good too you!

I found a sound test that only teenagers can hear? I can here it and its similar to what i was hearing in cd-music playback!
But what i was hearing was more awful than that! TRY THE TEST
http://trainhorns.net/soundtest/

 

[Superfly]

[/QUOTE]I found a sound test that only teenagers can hear? I can here it and its similar to what i was hearing in cd-music playback!
But what i was hearing was more awful than that! TRY THE TEST
http://trainhorns.net/soundtest/[/QUOTE]


I just tried that test I understand what you are saying.

LOTR- any Ideas if the Nad is similar to the Rotel 1067 you suggested to me?
my problem is they don't make them anymore so getting a demo is impossible.

 

[Lordoftherings]

I just tried that test I understand what you are saying.

LOTR- any Ideas if the Nad is similar to the Rotel 1067 you suggested to me?
my problem is they don't make them anymore so getting a demo is impossible.

LOL. Why asking then?

* By the way, the Rotel RSX-1067 is my favorite receiver for sound quality.
What's missing in feature, it makes up in audio performance, tremendous power, and superb build quality. It is definitively one of the best sounding receiver, and ahead of the NAD T 765 in my humble opinion. That NAD is very nice, but I will take that Rotel in a heart beat.