I really, really hate scammers on Ebay

Jack Hammer

Jack Hammer

Audioholic Field Marshall
[RANT] This same **ckwad has been listing a full set of M&K speakers on ebay for about a month with several different hijacked accounts. Everytime I see the listing, I report the account as stolen and a week later, the same listing pops up again.

I just spent the last hour searching for each item in his list of 52 other items and reported a little over twenty different accounts he was using as stolen. They're easy to spot because it's always the same pictures.

The sad thing is next week he'll probably have another 20 accounts setup and keep ripping people off.

It just p*sses me off :mad: :mad: :mad: [/RANT]
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Scammers are everywhere... It just sucks that they can't spend their time doing something other than taking advantage of people.
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
this has got to be the same guy.

check this cat out,same story with multiple stolen accounts & multiple email addresses asking people to contact him direct.

whats really nuts about this guy is that he has the ability to hack accounts at will,ebay security isnt worth a s#!t.
 
Jack Hammer

Jack Hammer

Audioholic Field Marshall
highfihoney said:
check this cat out,same story with multiple stolen accounts & multiple email addresses asking people to contact him direct.

whats really nuts about this guy is that he has the ability to hack accounts at will,ebay security isnt worth a s#!t.
I just reported another account with him. It sucks because there is a legitimate user with a good history who has positive feedback from the past week. The guy keeps using 24 hour listings, so it is less likely to get caught the actual account user.
 
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AdrianMills

Full Audioholic
highfihoney said:
check this cat out,same story with multiple stolen accounts & multiple email addresses asking people to contact him direct.

whats really nuts about this guy is that he has the ability to hack accounts at will,ebay security isnt worth a s#!t.
My guess is that the users inadvertently give him their passwords - ever got an email from "ebay" asking you to confirm your details and it gives you a link to click on? I've seen several scams like this around and they are *very* well done; it would be very easy to fall for something like this even if you are net and computer savvy, which unfortunately most people aren't.
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
AdrianMills said:
My guess is that the users inadvertently give him their passwords - ever got an email from "ebay" asking you to confirm your details and it gives you a link to click on? I've seen several scams like this around and they are *very* well done; it would be very easy to fall for something like this even if you are net and computer savvy, which unfortunately most people aren't.
you might be right, i would think that this guy is a pretty smart & skilled person by just being able to hack all the accounts,it must take alot of time & effort to go fishing for all the passwords needed to take over the accounts not to mention the time needed to constantly relist 100's of auctions & answer all the emails.

its a shame this guy wont invest that much effort into doing something good:mad:
 
Jack Hammer

Jack Hammer

Audioholic Field Marshall
highfihoney said:
you might be right, i would think that this guy is a pretty smart & skilled person by just being able to hack all the accounts,it must take alot of time & effort to go fishing for all the passwords needed to take over the accounts not to mention the time needed to constantly relist 100's of auctions & answer all the emails.

its a shame this guy wont invest that much effort into doing something good:mad:
I'm pretty sure he has some sort of program that does the listings. I just reported 8 more accounts he was using. All of his listings are 24 hour auctions with a different contact email. The sad fact is I'll probably get tired long before he does.

I'm really surprised by how many of the blatantly BS listings had several bids going, you would think most people would look into a seller before they buy a big money item to make sure it looks legit.
 
fatroz

fatroz

Audioholic Intern
I can't believe I'm admitting this

Scammers suck everywhere. A few years ago, before I knew anything about HT electronics and speakers, I was one of the suckers who bought some speakers out of the back of a white van. Yes, I was one of the idiots. There...I said it. But he originally wanted $1000.00 for them and I talked him down to $150.00. So at least I didn't waste too much money...right?:confused: I suck.
 
zildjian

zildjian

Audioholic Chief
eBay isn't very proactive in fighting these guys. I started noticing all the fake auctions about Christmas time last year, and I'd start sending eBay emails with the fake auction #'s, reported somewhere from 2000-3000 fake electronic listings in two weeks alone, and it just took maybe 15 minutes a night to find all those. I emailed ebay time and time again, but they are so passive about fighting it. They will shut down the auctions you report, but when it just reappears with the same scammer email address embeded in the auction description, it doesn't get shutdown. How easy it would be to write a search script that targets and cancels all auctions with certain fraud email addresses in the description, sure then the fraudsters would just create new email accounts each time they want to make new fake auctions, but they aren't even having to do that now. The same email addresses that were used in January by some of these guys, they are still using in the same auction descriptions. It's too easy.

I emailed probably 30 fraudsters just asking, how many people do you scam successfully doing this? Most didn't reply, those that did just cursed @ me (frequently in very very bad english). Then I'd track the different IP addresses from their reply emails, and many of them were emailing me from Europe (Germany especially). Just thought that was interesting.
 
3x10^8

3x10^8

Audioholic
Ok, I'm totally unfamiliar with the world of ebay, but how in the world are you guys figuring out which accounts are legit and which ones aren't?
 
highfihoney

highfihoney

Audioholic Samurai
3x10^8 said:
Ok, I'm totally unfamiliar with the world of ebay, but how in the world are you guys figuring out which accounts are legit and which ones aren't?
first off ebay is not the place to buy for inexperienced buyers,before buying ANYTHING on ebay you need to spend a few weeks if not months studing the areas of ebay in which you might be interested in buying from,pay attention to auctions that you are interested in & bookmark them,after a few auctions for the same type things you'll get an idea of selling prices & trends so when a deal looks to good to be true you will start to look deeper into the seller & easily see whats standing out as a pointer to a scam.

also,by investing some time researching ebay & how auctions go you become familuar with what has been sold allready so when you see the same pictures again but in a different auction with a different seller name you know on the spot that something creepy is going on.

another good thing to look at is feedback & seller information,take the scammer that were talking about as an example,he has sooooooo many red flags pointing to him as a con man its very easy to spot,he is listing all his fake auctions with the gear as being in london england but the ebay seller information shows that he is registered in the united states.

also look at what the scammer is selling & ask yourself this*how come nobody else is bidding on this item* newbiees are what scammers like this creep are counting on,the biggest things to remember on ebay that will keep you safe are not to be in a rush & to NEVER believe that you are just getting lucky & nobody else see's the auction or realizes what it's worth,better to be safe than sorry because there will be another whatever comming out on auction & if your patient you can wait for whatever you want to come up near you so you can buy it from the seller in person.

things to look at about a seller.

feedback,look to see what a seller has been selling & see if what he is now selling looks out of place compared to his previous sales,example,if a seller has a feedback rating of 100 positive feedbacks with all of them being fot t shirts now all of a sudden he is selling a bunch of high end hifi gear its a red flag.

look at payment options too,down at the bottom of the page there will be payment instructions & 9 times out of 10 when you see payment instructions that are marked as OTHER its a red flag,escro is a scam,western union is a scam,money orders are very dangerous depending on the seller & paypal is dangerous unless you use a credit card that allows 100% buyer protection & cash back.

anytime a seller includes his personal email address & requests that all buyers use that address instead of the ASK SELLER A QUESTION feature in the listing its 100% gauranteed to be a scam,do not ever use these addresses given by sellers to contact the seller because if it is a scam now they have your email address & that helps them to scam you further by allowing them to send you fake & official looking emails that are made to look like they came from ebay or paypal then to ask for you to update either your ebay account or paypal account or other sensitive info.

most high end gear is never sold FACTORY DIRECT nor is anybody allowed to buy in volume & allowed to give deep discounts,high end hifi is also not cheaper overseas,most other countries charge obsurd luxury taxes & import duties on stuff like hifi & there is no way on earth that ANY seller can offer hifi overseas cheaper than its fair market value in the united states.


the biggest part of buying safely on ebay is to put in the man hours needed to know what the warning sighns are.
 
3x10^8

3x10^8

Audioholic
WOW! Both your posts are very informative.

I know this may not necessarily be the primary purpose of this forum, but this should definitely be a sticky, as so many individuals on this site (both experienced and non) consider purchasing items from sites like ebay and audiogon.
 
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AdrianMills

Full Audioholic
3x10^8 said:
WOW! Both your posts are very informative.

I know this may not necessarily be the primary purpose of this forum, but this should definitely be a sticky, as so many individuals on this site (both experienced and non) consider purchasing items from sites like ebay and audiogon.
If in doubt, don't.

I never use online auctions like this - the scope for fraud is just too great IMO. Statistically the risk is probably still small though so I guess it all depends on your risk threshold. Are you a gambler? ;)

There are B&M and ID Hifi dealers that do refurbished, used, and B-stock items why not use them instead? Sure, you’re not going to get the choice you have on Ebay but that’s the compromise you have to make to reduce the risk.

Good post by HiFiHoney though - it should help you reduce the risk somewhat.

I thought I'd better add that I would buy from an online seller if they were local enough to visit and see the kit before I bought it - that may seem a little obvious ;) - I don't know if you live in a very populous area but if you do you could restrict yourself to sales within a couple of hours drive. It'll also stop postal damage.
 
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ichigo

Full Audioholic
masak_aer

masak_aer

Senior Audioholic
Very Precise

highfihoney said:
first off ebay is not the place to buy for inexperienced buyers,before buying ANYTHING on ebay you need to spend a few weeks if not months studing the areas of ebay in which you might be interested in buying from,pay attention to auctions that you are interested in & bookmark them,after a few auctions for the same type things you'll get an idea of selling prices & trends so when a deal looks to good to be true you will start to look deeper into the seller & easily see whats standing out as a pointer to a scam.

also,by investing some time researching ebay & how auctions go you become familuar with what has been sold allready so when you see the same pictures again but in a different auction with a different seller name you know on the spot that something creepy is going on.

another good thing to look at is feedback & seller information,take the scammer that were talking about as an example,he has sooooooo many red flags pointing to him as a con man its very easy to spot,he is listing all his fake auctions with the gear as being in london england but the ebay seller information shows that he is registered in the united states.

also look at what the scammer is selling & ask yourself this*how come nobody else is bidding on this item* newbiees are what scammers like this creep are counting on,the biggest things to remember on ebay that will keep you safe are not to be in a rush & to NEVER believe that you are just getting lucky & nobody else see's the auction or realizes what it's worth,better to be safe than sorry because there will be another whatever comming out on auction & if your patient you can wait for whatever you want to come up near you so you can buy it from the seller in person.

things to look at about a seller.

feedback,look to see what a seller has been selling & see if what he is now selling looks out of place compared to his previous sales,example,if a seller has a feedback rating of 100 positive feedbacks with all of them being fot t shirts now all of a sudden he is selling a bunch of high end hifi gear its a red flag.

look at payment options too,down at the bottom of the page there will be payment instructions & 9 times out of 10 when you see payment instructions that are marked as OTHER its a red flag,escro is a scam,western union is a scam,money orders are very dangerous depending on the seller & paypal is dangerous unless you use a credit card that allows 100% buyer protection & cash back.

anytime a seller includes his personal email address & requests that all buyers use that address instead of the ASK SELLER A QUESTION feature in the listing its 100% gauranteed to be a scam,do not ever use these addresses given by sellers to contact the seller because if it is a scam now they have your email address & that helps them to scam you further by allowing them to send you fake & official looking emails that are made to look like they came from ebay or paypal then to ask for you to update either your ebay account or paypal account or other sensitive info.

most high end gear is never sold FACTORY DIRECT nor is anybody allowed to buy in volume & allowed to give deep discounts,high end hifi is also not cheaper overseas,most other countries charge obsurd luxury taxes & import duties on stuff like hifi & there is no way on earth that ANY seller can offer hifi overseas cheaper than its fair market value in the united states.


the biggest part of buying safely on ebay is to put in the man hours needed to know what the warning sighns are.
Have you ever considered being eBay spokesperson?:p Very excellent explanation. I've been scammed once but I tried to scam a scammer:D (but failed)
 
Rock&Roll Ninja

Rock&Roll Ninja

Audioholic Field Marshall
My wife was suckered by those bulk email sthey send 'this is Ebay, blah blah blah'. They took over my email account and my ebay account. Then he tried to sell his car on my name!

Ebay shut the account down but there was no saving my hotmail address. Too bad, I had it since way back in 1997. At least my new email doesn't get all the spam.

Ah "spam", what would the internet be like if it wasn't controlled by Monty-Python quoting nerds up until @ 2000?;)
 
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mustang_steve

Senior Audioholic
sabedra211 said:
Not a scam per se, but the speakers are utter garbage. Passive subwoofers are a NO-NO, and thos satellites are just chromed plastic, not aluminum....actually the "subwoofer" drivers look to be aluminized polypropelyne as well...which is no better than the non-aluminuzed stuff.

..pretty much it's just a "high bling" cheap speaker set....don't expect any good sound from it. Spend the cash on some KLH speakers before dropping it on this, as much as I hate to reccomend any modern KLH...
 
Ron_Phelps

Ron_Phelps

Junior Audioholic
How do you find scammers ?

I am fairly familiar with ebay but still would like to know how you spot scammers ?

thx
 
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