I’ve bought a Denon 4400 and a set of SVS Ultra Towers.

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Danzilla31

Audioholic Spartan
None of this is advised or recommended, as for bi-wiring and bi-amping, it is generally accepted that there is no audible benefit. It sounds cool, costs money to do, generally won't harm anything... but yields next to nothing.
If your speakers have two sets of binding posts, and many do, these days, they connect to the crossover (XO) inside the speaker, and there is a jumper between the two positive and between the two negative posts.
After removing those jumpers, one could:
Bi-wire is connecting two sets of speaker cables to the amplifer binding posts, and then connecting one set to the LF, and one set to the HF binding posts of the speaker. Most notably, all this really does is decrease the resistance that the amplifier sees (IIRC).
Passive Bi-amp is more complicated, and I will only briefly describe it. You would need TWO amplifiers, and two sets of cables. One amplifer would be connected to the LF binding posts (with jumpers removed) and the other amplifer would be connected to the HF binding posts. You would split the signal from the AVR pre out, one two each amplifier. There are various ways to achieve this, but in the end, the result is still largely inaudible. There is another method that is much more advanced and expensive called Active Bi-Amping.
Lastly, you asked about Bridging. Stereo amplifier sometimes come wit ha feature called bridged mode, which turns the 2-channel amplifier into a Mono amplifier. It will usually double the wattage being sent out, and IIRC, halve the impedance. This also is a more advanced technique, because if you don't do it properly, you can fry your speakers and your amp.

Again, You really have no reason to consider doing any of this. Connect your system up simply and correctly. The Denon has enough power to handle your Ultra towers in two channel mode. When you get to 5.x.2 or .4 atmos, then having an amp for your front three is much more useful.


Some APC units are good, Trip Lite makes good ones, Monster is OK... look for one that is rated for 20Amps, and has a high rating for the joules it can protect your gear from. A lot of them come with 'insurance' saying that they will replace up $50,000 of gear if their product fails. Shouldn't cost much more than $50-$100 depending on the brand.

For our friend here... starting off simple is best. Though I would agree that your center channel and subs should take priority over amplifiers. That's just my way of looking at it though. ;)
Everything your saying is spot on

The op wants an amp tho so I'd figure we'd guide him through it

I love his passion and I get it he's super stoked so I figured we'd just keep him from making the same mistakes we did when we all went all out on our upgrades!
 
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Danzilla31

Audioholic Spartan
Hey what's up my brother! Sorry it took me a minute to get back to you all the banana plugs wire HDMI that Ryanosaur and William are recommending is what I get.

Learn how to use banana plugs! They make your life so much easier!

Don't worry about biwire triwire or biamping or any of that stuff!

I've never heard a difference that was noticeable that's just me tho. Can only speak for me but it's just complicating stuff for really I can't tell if I get any returns!

Just hook em up.

If your gonna buy one amp to power those ultra's I'd go with the 2502. Specs are better and that will give those ultra's all the clean juice they need!

They'd sound great off the reciever in 2 channel mode but I know your wanting to do this all the way so buy the amp but buy the 2502 it's worth the extra coin

Congratulations on those ultra's I'm frickin jealous I really was going to snatch those up but you beat me to it! I'm happy for you tho bro I need three of them anyway :D
Those amps are efficient but especially with a 2 channel setup right now your not going to need to worry about flipping a breaker just buy a good 20 or 15 amp specs heavy duty power breaker from your hardware store and your good to go.

The reason is movies and music are rarely pulling all of that juice if ever at one time music and movies are dynamic there quiet then they change quickly!

So they usually only use peaks of that power very briefly. Not enough to stress your breakers usually

Especially just 2 ultra towers one amp and that reciever I doubt it you'll come close to stressing that breaker
 
ryanosaur

ryanosaur

Audioholic Overlord
Everything your saying is spot on

The op wants an amp tho so I'd figure we'd guide him through it

I love his passion and I get it he's super stoked so I figured we'd just keep him from making the same mistakes we did when we all went all out on our upgrades!
Amp Away! I have nothing against them... and definitely not trying to steer him away. ;) Afterall, I have 5! :p
 
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Danzilla31

Audioholic Spartan
Also get back with use when your amp comes before you hook it up! There's a lot you need to know before you hook it up trust me on this I've got a thread going right know where the guys are teaching me a lot about using the crowjs I have properly!
 
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Danzilla31

Audioholic Spartan
Putting a pro amp even one as user friendly as the crown onto home gear takes a little more know how then I realized at the beginning
 
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Danzilla31

Audioholic Spartan
Also don't go crazy on the volume like I did when you first upgrade it's common for all of us where so excited we just want to crank that sh@$!t but A you'll damage your ears and B you'll possibly damage your gear

I keep my volume at 68 or 72 on my Denon and that's only 72 if I really wanna push it you can go higher but everything sounds superb right there. Louder isn't always better! Plus music and movies are dynamic you'll think you need more power then blame an action scene hits and your like s$!#t need to turn that down!
 
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Danzilla31

Audioholic Spartan
Now about that breaker issue when you go full surround and also get dual subs.... Theeeennn you might want to get back to us on improving your power supply lol
 
ryanosaur

ryanosaur

Audioholic Overlord
Now about that breaker issue when you go full surround and also get dual subs.... Theeeennn you might want to get back to us on improving your power supply lol
Which is why I said, buy a good one now. At least for AVR, TV, Game console, and amp. Subs are probably fine going into the nearest wall outlet.
 
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Steelers252006

Audioholic
Those amps are efficient but especially with a 2 channel setup right now your not going to need to worry about flipping a breaker just buy a good 20 or 15 amp specs heavy duty power breaker from your hardware store and your good to go.

The reason is movies and music are rarely pulling all of that juice if ever at one time music and movies are dynamic there quiet then they change quickly!

So they usually only use peaks of that power very briefly. Not enough to stress your breakers usually

Especially just 2 ultra towers one amp and that reciever I doubt it you'll come close to stressing that breaker
One more ridiculously retarded question, I know: Do some people enjoy that two-channel setup so much they just stick with it? Maybe just make it 2.2 or 3.2 and roll on? I know the answer is probably no!! Hahaha!! This is something turn into more than just a hobby I am starting to see. I've had nothing but speakers on my mind for DAYS!! And I don't even understand any of this stuff!! :):)
 
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Steelers252006

Audioholic
Also get back with use when your amp comes before you hook it up! There's a lot you need to know before you hook it up trust me on this I've got a thread going right know where the guys are teaching me a lot about using the crowjs I have properly!
Shoot, believe me, if you'll have me, I'll keep asking you. You've been freaking awesome!! Everybody has been so, so helpful!
 
ryanosaur

ryanosaur

Audioholic Overlord
One more ridiculously retarded question, I know: Do some people enjoy that two-channel setup so much they just stick with it? Maybe just make it 2.2 or 3.2 and roll on? I know the answer is probably no!! Hahaha!! This is something turn into more than just a hobby I am starting to see. I've had nothing but speakers on my mind for DAYS!! And I don't even understand any of this stuff!! :):)
When I'm listening to music, unless it is specifically encoded with multiple channels like some SACDs, I always listen in stereo now. I switch over to surround for gaming and HT.
When you have a good rig, listening in multi-channel stereo can actually hurt the sound a little. Its great for parties, though.
 
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Danzilla31

Audioholic Spartan
Which is why I said, buy a good one now. At least for AVR, TV, Game console, and amp. Subs are probably fine going into the nearest wall outlet.
Oh I meant more then buying a new power strip my friend with the right subs you might be installing a new 20 amp dedicated circuit lol! :D
 
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Steelers252006

Audioholic
My last question, too, for now. Me and Danzilla have discussed this quite a bit. Which subwoofer would you go with? I go back and forth on this between say dual SVS2000s, start with a Monlithic 15 (overkill) and Danzilla just said the best bang for the buck is HSU, though I haven't done much homework on those. Can y'all ease me along on this with your thoughts?
 
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Danzilla31

Audioholic Spartan
My last question, too, for now. Me and Danzilla have discussed this quite a bit. Which subwoofer would you go with? I go back and forth on this between say dual SVS2000s, start with a Monlithic 15 (overkill) and Danzilla just said the best bang for the buck is HSU, though I haven't done much homework on those. Can y'all ease me along on this with your thoughts?
Yeah with his cubic footage fellas I've been thinking dual SVS PB 2000's or dual Monolith 12 ultra's but if he really wants to go overkill then HSU's 15 inch line would be the best in overkill bang for the buck any thoughts from you fellas I'm interested in hearing the responses as well just to learn more myself!
 
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snakeeyes

Audioholic Ninja
When I'm listening to music, unless it is specifically encoded with multiple channels like some SACDs, I always listen in stereo now. I switch over to surround for gaming and HT.
When you have a good rig, listening in multi-channel stereo can actually hurt the sound a little. Its great for parties, though.
Hmm well think this is personal preference territory. Gene said he was using DSU to upmix 2ch music in his 7.1.4 system which includes multiple subs and the ceiling speakers and even a ceiling subwoofer or 2 :)
 
ryanosaur

ryanosaur

Audioholic Overlord
For subs... you’re asking the the guy with 2 Bassaholic Extreme rated subs in a 2000’3 room? Are ya kidding me?!
o_O
Ha!
I think two: vtf2 or vtf3... mono12... or Pb2000s.
Any would be good.
 
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