How to test if speaker is blown

xboxweasel

xboxweasel

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I have two dipole (or bipole) surround speakers where I occasionally hear some crackling coming from one of the mid range drivers. Ie: one of the woofers sounds good, the other has this crackle. Any way to really test the speaker?

What would cause the crackling? Where would the damage be?

And I always thought I was being kind to my gear. Maybe it's just an age thing. I don't know.

Thanks.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I have two dipole (or bipole) surround speakers where I occasionally hear some crackling coming from one of the mid range drivers. Ie: one of the woofers sounds good, the other has this crackle. Any way to really test the speaker?

What would cause the crackling? Where would the damage be?

And I always thought I was being kind to my gear. Maybe it's just an age thing. I don't know.

Thanks.
You have no clue if it is the speaker or not. Swap the speakers, left to right and see if the problem moves with the speaker or not.
 
xboxweasel

xboxweasel

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Thanks for the slap upside the head (ie: smarten me up) TLS Guy. I should have done that in the first place.

So, I did just as you suggested and the error went with the speaker. Now I know my driver is in fact busted. Only on the low end. So not always apparent. A replacement driver is $130CND. Just wonder what exactly is busted, and if it is something that I can repair myself. Or should I just order a replacement part and gain a new paperweight?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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Thanks for the slap upside the head (ie: smarten me up) TLS Guy. I should have done that in the first place.

So, I did just as you suggested and the error went with the speaker. Now I know my driver is in fact busted. Only on the low end. So not always apparent. A replacement driver is $130CND. Just wonder what exactly is busted, and if it is something that I can repair myself. Or should I just order a replacement part and gain a new paperweight?
What brand of speaker and model are we talking about?

Your driver sounds as if it has gap rub, either because the suspension has off centered the voice coil, or the voice coil has dropped a wire turn or two from improper winding.

This can be repaired by reconing. Does the manufacturer offer this service? If not do others offer reconing of this driver? If you are handy, and the manufacturer can supply you with an new cone and attached voice coil, dust cap and factory shims to center the voice coil, then I can talk you through it. Reconing is much cheaper, and the magnet, pole pieces and basket are reused, and they are the expensive parts.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

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I'd say it is blown. The rubbing is because the VC overheated and possibly came unwound as mentioned ("dropped a wire") and that's why it only does it once in a while - likely under higher excursion. Other than not working at all, that's the definition of a blown driver to me. Reconing works for sure, but so does replacing the driver, and I'll guess the manufacturer will likely recommend replacement as well. If it is current and easy to get, cost likely won't be so bad, depending on the driver obviously.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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I'd say it is blown. The rubbing is because the VC overheated and possibly came unwound as mentioned ("dropped a wire") and that's why it only does it once in a while - likely under higher excursion. Other than not working at all, that's the definition of a blown driver to me. Reconing works for sure, but so does replacing the driver, and I'll guess the manufacturer will likely recommend replacement as well. If it is current and easy to get, cost likely won't be so bad, depending on the driver obviously.
They want $130 for a new driver. That is why I won't to know what the speaker is. I'm sure reconing will be much cheaper if possible. The problem is the driver is more likely than not a piece of Chinese or Indonesian junk they are buying for $1.50 a piece.

As I spend time in Magnolia when it is not busy, I have come to the conclusion most commercial speakers are just awful and not worth board and keep. A lot a worse than what was on offer over a half century ago. The current state of the speaker industry with a few exceptions is a total disgrace.
 
xboxweasel

xboxweasel

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Hi TLS Guy. The speaker in question is a Paradigm ADP-470 v3. All my Paradigm's are over 7 years old. From your description this sounds like normal wear are tear.

I can find out if Paradigm will sell the parts to me. I do know that they do driver repairs, but it is not much cheaper than buying a new one. Since they have stock they will only sell me a new one anyways. When another driver (same as this one, but from a different surround speaker) needed replacing they had to repair it because they had no replacement stock.

Perhaps I will buy this one to get up and running again quickly. Then, if possible, get the parts and repair the busted one to have as a spare.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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Hi TLS Guy. The speaker in question is a Paradigm ADP-470 v3. All my Paradigm's are over 7 years old. From your description this sounds like normal wear are tear.

I can find out if Paradigm will sell the parts to me. I do know that they do driver repairs, but it is not much cheaper than buying a new one. Since they have stock they will only sell me a new one anyways. When another driver (same as this one, but from a different surround speaker) needed replacing they had to repair it because they had no replacement stock.

Perhaps I will buy this one to get up and running again quickly. Then, if possible, get the parts and repair the busted one to have as a spare.
You state you use your gear gently. If that is so, it is not normal wear and tear. As far as I can tell Paradigm drivers are not known for failure. If not over driven a speaker driver should pretty much last for eternity. I have drivers in my system in regular use for close to forty years.

I think that speaker was defective to begin with, most likely a poorly wound voice coil. I think the fair thing is to ask Paradigm to inspect the driver, and if there is no sign of burning in the voice coil, then the ethical thing for them to do is replace that driver. When you take a driver apart it is easy to tell if it has been over driven. What have you been driving it with?

I suppose it is possible you have over driven it, but surrounds are not often called into hard service, though that is getting more common. However that driver has been used on speakers other than surrounds, and in a quick search on the NET, I find no reports of excess failure of that driver. In any event there are two drivers in those speakers. I think it very unlikely this failure is your fault.

Before sending it back, I would make sure that the connectors are all tight on the driver end and the crossover. I would remove the connectors and give them a good clean with contact cleaner anyway, and see if that cures the crackle.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

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Paradigm is one of the few companies out there that I believe has not outsourced their drivers to a Chinese company; they manufacture them themselves (at least they still did last time I checked), so your only option is to get one from them.

I agree about replacements too. A buddy had two tweeters in his coaxial driver KEFs go at the same time. He called KEF and they sent replacements for the price of shipping.
 
xboxweasel

xboxweasel

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Thanks for all the feedback guys.

I will take the speaker apart this weekend and post pictures. I just watched a video on youtube. Looks very simple.
 
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BigE-Dadda

Audiophyte
Just curious TLS Guy, what is and where do you get contact cleaners? By Contacts, are you referring to the speaker terminals? I ask because I have some very old speakers that are still in good standing but I'm sure could use a good cleaning. Thx!


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xboxweasel

xboxweasel

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So. I contacted the speaker manufacturer (Paradigm) to find out if they sell re-coning kits. I figured I should find out before completely destroying the driver. They do not. So I am not taking it apart. It's of some use right now since it kind of works. I took the whole speaker in for repair. It was only $10 more than me fixing it myself. This way it will get a complete look over and test before being put back into service.

Thanks for all the help.

And I was looking forward to the re-coning. It looked very easy and like a fun project. I must say I am impressed with the quality of the cone, surround, etc of this driver. A little more elaborate than the speakers I saw being re-conned on youtube.

Cheer!S
 
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