How to properly stream TIDAL, Qobuz, Deezer, et cetera?

preston8452

preston8452

Enthusiast
Hi guys,

So I've been meaning to ask if there's an optimal way to stream these streaming service, if you know what I mean..., like some players which directly support TIDAL or Qobuz or Amazon Music and stuff, but what if I stream TIDAL through Roon, would the sound quality get better? and why?
I know that Roon does a lot of signal purification jobs during the whole transmitting process, still, I'm very much confused hahaha, since the cloud service is the original place of the music files, no? how come during the transmission the sound could be optimized!?

If that's a true fact that it's possible to level up the sound quality better than the original, so the theory can also be applying on the hardware parts I presume, like I can buy an real nice hi-end router to upgrade the network quality from the beginning, then the DC power supply, audio grade network switch, specialized cables, all the way to speakers, is that right?
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Just thru a device that can handle the particular stream, it's not rocket science. What features you might like, like accommodating the bullshit MQA in Tidal, that's up to you and your hardware choices. Roon is too expensive for what it offers to me, but I already have ways of organizing my music as well as dsp....

What true fact?
 
preston8452

preston8452

Enthusiast
Just thru a device that can handle the particular stream, it's not rocket science. What features you might like, like accommodating the bullshit MQA in Tidal, that's up to you and your hardware choices. Roon is too expensive for what it offers to me, but I already have ways of organizing my music as well as dsp....

What true fact?
So what's your favorite streaming service to use while listening to music?
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
So what's your favorite streaming service to use while listening to music?
My own content over my network usually. I use spotify for background or listening to new stuff before buying. I've trialed Tidal and Qobuz. Amazon could be interesting some day, but their inconsistencies and my past experiences with their auto rip and amazon music versions don't have me too eager to try.
 
preston8452

preston8452

Enthusiast
My own content over my network usually. I use spotify for background or listening to new stuff before buying. I've trialed Tidal and Qobuz. Amazon could be interesting some day, but their inconsistencies and my past experiences with their auto rip and amazon music versions don't have me too eager to try.
Ohhh so do you store you music in a NAS or something? I tried Amazon Music HD once, it wasn't too bad hahaha, but honestly I think sometimes it depends on which genre I wanted to listen, for me I'd Qubuz has the best quality of classical music, and TIDAL probably pop music, Spotify has released its Hi-Fi or Hi-Red services yet, but it sure does have the best UX for me...
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Ohhh so do you store you music in a NAS or something? I tried Amazon Music HD once, it wasn't too bad hahaha, but honestly I think sometimes it depends on which genre I wanted to listen, for me I'd Qubuz has the best quality of classical music, and TIDAL probably pop music, Spotify has released its Hi-Fi or Hi-Red services yet, but it sure does have the best UX for me...
My library is composed mostly of cds ripped, as well as downloads of equal or better quality. I don't have those conclusions about content altho I didn't find as much of my spotify library on tidal (but not a big pop guy vs other genres) when I looked, qobuz had more of it and in a more user friendly gui (the tidal startup/suggestion thing with jayz ads were just plain annoying)

ps as far as storage, originally rip to my hdd in my laptop then copy to various other drives for backup/playback
 
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Hetfield

Audioholic Samurai
I have Amazon music and it sounds fantastic in my opinion. The app has some quirks but I love the service overall. I listen most of the time on my home theater from my Fire Cube that handles he res music and that's to my Denon X3400H which handles Hi res music also. Now I do have headphones for when I walk/exercise and then I listen through the Amazon music app on my Pixel 4XL and my headphones are Soundcore Q30s. They sound excellent by the way, excellent.
I also have ear muff hearing protection at work that has Bluetooth music capable. That actually sounds ok for work hearing protection. It gets the job done and I love listening to music while I work and protect my hearing.

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KenM10759

KenM10759

Audioholic Ninja
I started streaming 7 years ago, with a Bluesound Vault V500 demo unit from the dealer who sold me my first new speakers in 23 years. He recommended it because I had about 500 CD's I wanted to rip and wasn't having very good luck with CD players.

Here we are now and the Vault V500 is now a Vault 2. Its 2TB hard drive is about 1/3rd full. I use it to stream Qobuz and Amazon Music HD, though I had Tidal HiFi for about 5 years before the switch to Qobuz. It fluidly accesses all my own music and streams...without a subscription fee to Roon. I did try Roon and it's a little nicer to use than BluOS, but just wasn't worth the monthly expense. I got enough of those.

I recently added a Gustard DAC X16, and it's just a little better than the DAC in the Vault 2. Not a huge difference, but still there. I'm happy with it all now.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
My library is composed mostly of cds ripped, as well as downloads of equal or better quality. I don't have those conclusions about content altho I didn't find as much of my spotify library on tidal (but not a big pop guy vs other genres) when I looked, qobuz had more of it and in a more user friendly gui (the tidal startup/suggestion thing with jayz ads were just plain annoying)

ps as far as storage, originally rip to my hdd in my laptop then copy to various other drives for backup/playback
How large is your library and how frequently do you add music to it? What HDD are you using?
 
its phillip

its phillip

Audioholic Ninja
If that's a true fact that it's possible to level up the sound quality better than the original, so the theory can also be applying on the hardware parts I presume, like I can buy an real nice hi-end router to upgrade the network quality from the beginning, then the DC power supply, audio grade network switch, specialized cables, all the way to speakers, is that right?
Why do you keep bringing this crap up?
 
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highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
If that's a true fact that it's possible to level up the sound quality better than the original, so the theory can also be applying on the hardware parts I presume, like I can buy an real nice hi-end router to upgrade the network quality from the beginning, then the DC power supply, audio grade network switch, specialized cables, all the way to speakers, is that right?
How does a streaming device make the sound better than the original? Does it add something, remove something, tweak something?

Stop reading the lies from companies troweling out BS- better sound quality DOES NOT come from better network hardware if the original hardware is working properly! It DOES NOT come from batteries on cables! An HDMI cable transmits audio in the digital domain- it's not making the sound better.
 
NINaudio

NINaudio

Audioholic Samurai
For all my high quality stuff I ripped all my CD's to FLAC on my desktop and stream through Plex to my NVIDIA shield in the main listening area. I also ripped all of our DVD's and some of our blu-rays as well so we could stream them through Plex.

If that's a true fact that it's possible to level up the sound quality better than the original, so the theory can also be applying on the hardware parts I presume, like I can buy an real nice hi-end router to upgrade the network quality from the beginning, then the DC power supply, audio grade network switch, specialized cables, all the way to speakers, is that right?
This is like the nth time you've brought up improving your sound quality with routers , power supplies, and "audiophile grade" network switches. Once again, I'd recommend you go reread all your previous threads for just how much over adequate equipment (read, nothing) they do for sound quality compared to having better speakers.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
So I've been meaning to ask if there's an optimal way to stream these streaming service, if you know what I mean..., like some players which directly support TIDAL or Qobuz or Amazon Music and stuff, but what if I stream TIDAL through Roon, would the sound quality get better? and why?
I know that Roon does a lot of signal purification jobs during the whole transmitting process, still, I'm very much confused hahaha, since the cloud service is the original place of the music files, no? how come during the transmission the sound could be optimized!?

If that's a true fact that it's possible to level up the sound quality better than the original, so the theory can also be applying on the hardware parts I presume, like I can buy an real nice hi-end router to upgrade the network quality from the beginning, then the DC power supply, audio grade network switch, specialized cables, all the way to speakers, is that right?
You can't level up the sound quality 'better than the original'. That's a myth, if not a downright lie. What you can do is faithfully recreate the streamed audio with the least amount of noise and colorization of the audio for playback.

So, with better DACs and cleaner power within a device, and better amplification and speakers, you can get the best possible streaming audio that is available. The digital portion of the audio is going to remain largely unaffected by any of this. Zeroes and ones will remain throughout the process. But, once they are converted from zeroes and ones to analog audio pulses, there is a lot of potential noise and interference which can be added to the audio. Or even a tiny bit.

You cover the first 90% or more of audio quality with almost any normal audio player. A standard PC should be very good.

So, you step more into excellence with Bluesound and other even higher end streaming devices. But, at least half of their price is going to the software, not the hardware. Delivering a great end-user interface and experience carries a great deal of cost with it. Developing, programming, testing, then distributing into products which are potentially already several years old. It's a risk for the developer as well as the end user. This is why a service, like Roon, has a monthly fee. It is to ensure continued product quality for years to come. But, Roon doesn't improve audio quality, they just promise bit-perfect playback to your devices. Then the device has a job to take those bit-perfect pieces and faithfully get them out the door.

I think most of what people pay for is a great user experience as often as not. For some, that experience means putting a vinyl record on their turntable and listening with the pops and hisses while looking at the album cover. For others, it is high-bitrate audio from a DVD-A, SACD, or streaming service played through top shelf speakers with great amplification in a sound treated room.

Audio is far too subjective to define great audio and what it means to everyone along the way. What is easier is knowing what YOU like in your own experience and just asking questions that may help that experience be better.

Bluesound already has a way to playback all your audio. Paying more for Roon isn't bad or good if you like how they present your audio to you. But, it may not be for everyone. Just as possible, someone may prefer the Sonos interface. Someone else may be just perfectly happy using Bluetooth from their iPhone. It's not wrong, even when it feels like it is.
 
Eppie

Eppie

Audioholic Ninja
First part of your questions seems to be about hardware and there are various options depending upon your source and what you use for amplification. Bluesound does make very nice streamers that handle both local files and steaming services. They have both passive and powered models depending upon whether you want to use your own amps, or an AVR for multi-channel, or built-in amp for something clean compact. If you have an AVR and TV and want to add streaming, it can be as simple as a Roku or Firestick or Chromecast dongle. There are dedicated high end streamers as well but I don't think you gain that much over something like a BlueSound Node.

As to Roon, it's hard to say whether their RAAT technology (which is supposed to make up for synch issues between different clock cycles on different devices) makes an audible difference but there are some benefits if you use local files and streaming. Roon has a very nice interface and pretty good (but not perfect) device support and does a great job categorizing music into various genres. Roon Radio will play similar music using AI. It also has a lot of band and album info and supplies lyrics and even karaoke style when available. It can also do a lot of processing if desired, like converting bit rates, setting max volume limits, volume matching, EQing and other DSP features. If you have multiple systems, you can control each one individually via the phone app or a PC and you can also synch the systems so multiple systems play the same track at the same time (great for parties). Having said all that, if you only use streaming services like Tidal, Roon is likely overkill unless you need the multi synch feature.

As to network quality, please do not fall for all of that b.s. There is no such thing as an audio grade network switch. It is just marketing hype. Computer networks operate in the digital domain and are designed to transfer data with zero errors, right from your provider's modem/router, to your switch or hub and your laptop. You could not reliably transfer files otherwise.

DC power supplies only really apply to certain DACs. Something like a Raspberry Pi, for example, comes with a cheap wall adapter that may generate some noise. If you want to use a good DAC HAT with a Pi, replacing the supply makes sense there. Replacing the supply on a network router or Schiit Modi does not.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
How large is your library and how frequently do you add music to it? What HDD are you using?
Only around 500 GB currently, most of it my own cd collection in FLAC. Every new cd gets ripped, that's all that gets added until maybe I get a rig that can copy SACDs or rip the music from blurays/dvds (I've ripped some dvds with DVD Audio Extractor but it doesn't work on all of them, and couldn't with any bluray I tried). Laptop is my main hdd, it's 2TB but transitioning to another laptop with both SSD/HDD that's smaller. I have two backups (2 & 4 TB), a Seagate and a Western Digital.
 
sitedrifter

sitedrifter

Audiophyte
I started streaming 7 years ago, with a Bluesound Vault V500 demo unit from the dealer who sold me my first new speakers in 23 years. He recommended it because I had about 500 CD's I wanted to rip and wasn't having very good luck with CD players.

Here we are now and the Vault V500 is now a Vault 2. Its 2TB hard drive is about 1/3rd full. I use it to stream Qobuz and Amazon Music HD, though I had Tidal HiFi for about 5 years before the switch to Qobuz. It fluidly accesses all my own music and streams...without a subscription fee to Roon. I did try Roon and it's a little nicer to use than BluOS, but just wasn't worth the monthly expense. I got enough of those.

I recently added a Gustard DAC X16, and it's just a little better than the DAC in the Vault 2. Not a huge difference, but still there. I'm happy with it all now.
pretty much the same - I thought I wanted to rip my library to storage
with the help of a friend ( an engineer who did the research ) I landed on a refurbished Vault 2
- - this was late 2018

got a 30 day trial for Tidal and never really looked back

it's just too easy....I did add an extra iPad for Bluos
 
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pewternhrata

Audioholic Chief
pretty much the same - I thought I wanted to rip my library to storage
with the help of a friend ( an engineer who did the research ) I landed on a refurbished Vault 2
- - this was late 2018

got a 30 day trial for Tidal and never really looked back

it's just too easy....I did add an extra iPad for Bluos
I have a ton ripped but rarely play any of it, I just play the cd instead. I always wanted to check out tidal and during the start of the pandemic I got an offer for like $4 for 4 months and gave it a go, never looked back, I ended up paying $10 a month, then they upgraded service to the next tier for no added cost. It's easy, huge library (at least for the vast of randomness I listen to) the layout is simple and quality seems on par to me (streaming at times is a headache as it seems to get more involved with numbers rather than just flat out quality) I typically run tidal off my s21 ultra, usb to a cambridge dacmagic. Just bc I like new things I wonder if a different dac or actual device would benefit, but I'm 100% content...well for now lol
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I have a ton ripped but rarely play any of it, I just play the cd instead. I always wanted to check out tidal and during the start of the pandemic I got an offer for like $4 for 4 months and gave it a go, never looked back, I ended up paying $10 a month, then they upgraded service to the next tier for no added cost. It's easy, huge library (at least for the vast of randomness I listen to) the layout is simple and quality seems on par to me (streaming at times is a headache as it seems to get more involved with numbers rather than just flat out quality) I typically run tidal off my s21 ultra, usb to a cambridge dacmagic. Just bc I like new things I wonder if a different dac or actual device would benefit, but I'm 100% content...well for now lol
Curious, how is the cd more convenient? As my cd collection expanded the space to place them/sort them was an ongoing issue (as I'd keep outgrowing a particular arrangement). I rip each new cd on arrival these days, and haven't come up with many reasons to organize the cds afterwards to make finding/playback any easier.....mostly they go into binders and I throw out the jewel case (keep the cardboard ones separate since the artwork/info is imbedded into the case).....and sorting/finding is far easier in software as well as playback over multiple devices on my network (can do it without getting my butt out of my seat :) ). I also had inconsistent internet since I've lived here out in the boonies, at least I have better than dsl now and music streaming isn't an issue like it sometimes was before. I also just not being reliant on the internet generally, and have collected discs from vinyl days on (still have a sizeable vinyl collection).
 
sitedrifter

sitedrifter

Audiophyte
I have a ton ripped but rarely play any of it, I just play the cd instead. I always wanted to check out tidal and during the start of the pandemic I got an offer for like $4 for 4 months and gave it a go, never looked back, I ended up paying $10 a month, then they upgraded service to the next tier for no added cost. It's easy, huge library (at least for the vast of randomness I listen to) the layout is simple and quality seems on par to me (streaming at times is a headache as it seems to get more involved with numbers rather than just flat out quality) I typically run tidal off my s21 ultra, usb to a cambridge dacmagic. Just bc I like new things I wonder if a different dac or actual device would benefit, but I'm 100% content...well for now lol
that's part of the beauty of streaming - the simplicity of it
I do not have any vinyl or a TT for that matter

I very seldom turn off my processor and amp and while like others I intended to rip
my library I just kept putting off while I sampled streaming

What do the menus look like for your library of ripped CD's ?
I'm assuming your using Bluos + Tidal ?
 
G

Golfx

Senior Audioholic
Hi guys,

So I've been meaning to ask if there's an optimal way to stream these streaming service, if you know what I mean..., like some players which directly support TIDAL or Qobuz or Amazon Music and stuff, but what if I stream TIDAL through Roon, would the sound quality get better? and why?
I know that Roon does a lot of signal purification jobs during the whole transmitting process, still, I'm very much confused hahaha, since the cloud service is the original place of the music files, no? how come during the transmission the sound could be optimized!?

If that's a true fact that it's possible to level up the sound quality better than the original, so the theory can also be applying on the hardware parts I presume, like I can buy an real nice hi-end router to upgrade the network quality from the beginning, then the DC power supply, audio grade network switch, specialized cables, all the way to speakers, is that right?
I’m sure you have gotten the hint that expensive accessories like: electrical power cables, interconnects, coax cables, usb cables, internet providers and routers do not add any proportional increase in the quality of the sound you will hear from your speakers. They just do not. It’s like buying expensive water for a pet—it will make you feel better but will not matter to the pet.

I too like the ease of streaming music and went with a roon nucleus. It comes with a one year subscription to roon, and it allows me to stream tidal and qobuz in hi-res. The nucleus simplifies the complexity of using roon to find and use your own saved music files.


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