How to Audition Speakers

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Nuance AH

Audioholic General
I found that statement to be more fun and tongue in cheek.
Lets face it; We're not going to use "Bodies" by Drowning Pool
"Let the bodies hit the floor!" to test a speaker's subtle vocal nuances.:D
To each their own. :). But I'll tell you what, classical, jazz and vocal based music might be ideal for testing certain attributes of speakers, but what if that's not all you listen to? What if you also listen to metal, country, new age and funk? Why would you not take music from the other genres you listen to for auditioning purposes? If the all the music you normally listen to doesn't sound decent enough through the speakers, then why would you want them? It might not be as impressive as the uber hi-fi stuff, but who cares? You cannot just use audiophile recordings IMO, else our audition tracks would be severely limited and wouldn't necessarily match up with all of the music we'll actually be listening to.

If you only listen to the highest quality recordings, this doesn't apply.
 
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Lordhumungus

Audioholic
To each their own. :). But I'll tell you what, classical, jazz and vocal based music might be ideal for testing certain attributes of speakers, but what if that's not all you listen to? What if you also listen to metal, country, new age and funk? Why would you not take music from the other genres you listen to for auditioning purposes? If the all the music you normally listen to doesn't sound decent enough through the speakers, then why would you want them? It might not be as impressive as the uber hi-fi stuff, but who cares? You cannot just use audiophile recordings IMO, else our audition tracks would be severely limited and wouldn't necessarily match up with all of the music we'll actually be listening to.

If you only listen to the highest quality recordings, this doesn't apply.
As someone who listens to all types of music, of which the majority is metal of one of variety or another, I can see the argument both ways.

It is definitely most important to me that whatever audio I listen to be reproduced accurately and to my tastes, but I think the bigger point here might be that doesn't really tell you much about the speaker.

So much of metal is intentionally recorded poorly (the black metal bands especially find something quaint about recording in what sounds like a bathroom) that it doesn't really give you an idea of what the speaker can do when it is called on to reproduce something more technically difficult. It's not an assault on our tastes, just a reality of the music we like. On a side note, I have been told by someone I trust who is a professional musician that the album Defenders of the Faith by Judas Priest is well recorded (and an awesome album regardless).

I think the bottom line here is or at least should be, variety is important regardless of what you "mainly" listen to. You wouldn't compare cars by test driving them all in a straight line and limiting them to 2nd gear :D
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

Audioholic Spartan
Couldn't you see I was joking? There's no difference in cables unless they use silver conductors.
I'm surprised no one gave me a hard time over the silver conductor comment. A ~3% difference in conductivity is irrelevant. At least we all know those wooden cable elevators are effective.

Alright. ;)
 
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Lordhumungus

Audioholic
I'm surprised no one gave me a hard time over the silver conductor comment. A ~3% difference in conductivity is irrelevant. At least we all know those wooden cable elevators are effective.

Alright. ;)
The color difference vs a gold connector is probably more relevant to your senses :D
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
To each their own. :). But I'll tell you what, classical, jazz and vocal based music might be ideal for testing certain attributes of speakers, but what if that's not all you listen to? What if you also listen to metal, country, new age and funk? Why would you not take music from the other genres you listen to for auditioning purposes? If the all the music you normally listen to doesn't sound decent enough through the speakers, then why would you want them? It might not be as impressive as the uber hi-fi stuff, but who cares? You cannot just use audiophile recordings IMO, else our audition tracks would be severely limited and wouldn't necessarily match up with all of the music we'll actually be listening to.

If you only listen to the highest quality recordings, this doesn't apply.
Sounds like you're confusing one's subjective taste in music, with objectively using all types of music to evaluate a speaker along the entire 20Hz to 20k spectrum.
This chart may help: Interactive Frequency Chart - Independent Recording Network
Edit: Found another:Remember Music Ideas: EQ Frequency Chart for Instruments & Electronic Sounds


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Nuance AH

Audioholic General
As someone who listens to all types of music, of which the majority is metal of one of variety or another, I can see the argument both ways.

It is definitely most important to me that whatever audio I listen to be reproduced accurately and to my tastes, but I think the bigger point here might be that doesn't really tell you much about the speaker.

So much of metal is intentionally recorded poorly (the black metal bands especially find something quaint about recording in what sounds like a bathroom) that it doesn't really give you an idea of what the speaker can do when it is called on to reproduce something more technically difficult. It's not an assault on our tastes, just a reality of the music we like. On a side note, I have been told by someone I trust who is a professional musician that the album Defenders of the Faith by Judas Priest is well recorded (and an awesome album regardless).

I think the bottom line here is or at least should be, variety is important regardless of what you "mainly" listen to. You wouldn't compare cars by test driving them all in a straight line and limiting them to 2nd gear :D
I completely agree. My audition tracks consist of mostly high quality stuff, but also at least 2 tracks are from other genres I listen to that aren't known for hi-fi recordings. My speakers need to play everything I listen to admirably, and it's not like the stuff I'm taking is of poor quality.

Sounds like you're confusing one's subjective taste in music, with objectively using all types of music to evaluate a speaker along the entire 20Hz to 20k spectrum.
This chart may help: Interactive Frequency Chart - Independent Recording Network
Edit: Found another:Remember Music Ideas: EQ Frequency Chart for Instruments & Electronic Sounds


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Not really, no, because I do both, but you can think that if you'd like to. I do think we should bring high quality stuff that will challenge a speaker at all different frequencies, which is what I do. But I also bring a track or two that is simply something I enjoy, although the quality isn't awful or anything.
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
You also really should not forget to bring cable risers and especially teflon insulated cables are important, at least when you're auditioning full range speakers as the teflon insulation makes a big difference to the sub 50Hz range :p
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
To continue in a more serious direction.....
I did a lot of auditioning listening to at least 50 or 70 different speakers in many different stores and some of what I learned from this I will try to cover here.

Yes you need a big variety of music and what works you probably only can decide for yourself, some of the music that I find most revealing can be quite silent music with few instruments, could be things like Kate Bush, Tori Amos.... If you can stand this, that is :p; this is extremely revealing and very hard for speakers to get correct, female voices and pianos probably tell you immediately if things are not right... some of the records from Leftfield are also exceedingly well made without any form of compression and if the system is up to it... will sound like something else. With Leftfield you will know if the sub 30Hz region is ok :D Try the "Leftism" Album :D

I would very much look out for the imponator effect as what you're probably not looking for is the speakers that sound the most impressive; The impressive speakers quite often sound like this because they do have some sort of artificial imponator effect builtin (they're not linear or not natural sounding), this will be bad in the long run as any artificial coloring is not supposed to be there in the first place, in the end it will make you sell the speakers....

Quite often I find the best speakers to sound like "nothing at all" because they're just giving you whatever it gets... When I first auditioned the Duntech PCL-15's I was quite unimpressed as they sounded like nothing special at all, the treble was not there and I'm not sure I liked them....
Until suddenly the treble was there, light as snowflakes..... like a magic :p
I didn't like these speakers in the start; until I realized they're sensational because the response is flat as Kansas, they're absolutely phase/time coherent and give you out the signal exactly as it gets into the speakers... In the long run, this is what was right for me and probably the best thing I ever bought, it's magic and still.... they can't play loud and there's no lower bass at all :D

Products like this may not be correct for you but you should look out for these similar effects, I suggest.

So what do you need.... you need lots of lots of lots of time to audition over and over and over again and in the end.... settle for the speakers that mostly makes you enjoy the music and forget about the technique,

I think it's absolutely wrong and misleading to suggest that speakers should all be placed in the same place within the room, this depends on the speakers and different speakers have different tuning that makes them work optimal in different positioning within the room, for some speakers this may work out but as a general rule this is not necessarily correct. At least this is my experience with different speakers.

I would not switch quickly between speakers but at least listen to a few songs with a speaker, perhaps even much more to find how you enjoy this, and then later repeat this with other speakers.... it's surprising how your memory may recall signature of other speakers, even after a significant point in time :p

Quick switching between speakers is only gonna make you forget about what's important, namely the experience and listening pleasure, you will probably end up as a listening machine trying to look for technicalities that are different.... this is more about listening pleasure than technical differences.....

If speakers trick you to believe that you're listening to music and not electronics, then you're into something that may potentially make you happy in the long run....

And speakers can then be enjoyable.... even without cable risers or Ferrari red speaker cables :p
 
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3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
To each their own. :). But I'll tell you what, classical, jazz and vocal based music might be ideal for testing certain attributes of speakers, but what if that's not all you listen to? What if you also listen to metal, country, new age and funk? Why would you not take music from the other genres you listen to for auditioning purposes? If the all the music you normally listen to doesn't sound decent enough through the speakers, then why would you want them? It might not be as impressive as the uber hi-fi stuff, but who cares? You cannot just use audiophile recordings IMO, else our audition tracks would be severely limited and wouldn't necessarily match up with all of the music we'll actually be listening to.

If you only listen to the highest quality recordings, this doesn't apply.
I listen to a large variety of music ranging from classical to blues, classic rock to alternative metal, one rap but no hip hop *L* IHO, off all the music genres I listen too, classical is the most demanding music for a system to reproduce bar none. If a system can do classical correctly, it will do justice to any other genre of music (except for maybe the artificially deep bass found in rap.) This has been my experience.
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
I listen to a large variety of music ranging from classical to blues, classic rock to alternative metal, one rap but no hip hop *L* IHO, off all the music genres I listen too, classical is the most demanding music for a system to reproduce bar none. If a system can do classical correctly, it will do justice to any other genre of music (except for maybe the artificially deep bass found in rap.) This has been my experience.
I support this :p
 
gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
Administrator
To continue in a more serious direction.....
I did a lot of auditioning listening to at least 50 or 70 different speakers in many different stores and some of what I learned from this I will try to cover here.

Yes you need a big variety of music and what works you probably only can decide for yourself, some of the music that I find most revealing can be quite silent music with few instruments, could be things like Kate Bush, Tori Amos.... If you can stand this, that is :p; this is extremely revealing and very hard for speakers to get correct, female voices and pianos probably tell you immediately if things are not right... some of the records from Leftfield are also exceedingly well made without any form of compression and if the system is up to it... will sound like something else. With Leftfield you will know if the sub 30Hz region is ok :D Try the "Leftism" Album :D

I would very much look out for the imponator effect as what you're probably not looking for is the speakers that sound the most impressive; The impressive speakers quite often sound like this because they do have some sort of artificial imponator effect builtin (they're not linear or not natural sounding), this will be bad in the long run as any artificial coloring is not supposed to be there in the first place, in the end it will make you sell the speakers....

Quite often I find the best speakers to sound like "nothing at all" because they're just giving you whatever it gets... When I first auditioned the Duntech PCL-15's I was quite unimpressed as they sounded like nothing special at all, the treble was not there and I'm not sure I liked them....
Until suddenly the treble was there, light as snowflakes..... like a magic :p
I didn't like these speakers in the start; until I realized they're sensational because the response is flat as Kansas, they're absolutely phase/time coherent and give you out the signal exactly as it gets into the speakers... In the long run, this is what was right for me and probably the best thing I ever bought, it's magic and still.... they can't play loud and there's no lower bass at all :D

Products like this may not be correct for you but you should look out for these similar effects, I suggest.

So what do you need.... you need lots of lots of lots of time to audition over and over and over again and in the end.... settle for the speakers that mostly makes you enjoy the music and forget about the technique,

I think it's absolutely wrong and misleading to suggest that speakers should all be placed in the same place within the room, this depends on the speakers and different speakers have different tuning that makes them work optimal in different positioning within the room, for some speakers this may work out but as a general rule this is not necessarily correct. At least this is my experience with different speakers.

I would not switch quickly between speakers but at least listen to a few songs with a speaker, perhaps even much more to find how you enjoy this, and then later repeat this with other speakers.... it's surprising how your memory may recall signature of other speakers, even after a significant point in time :p

Quick switching between speakers is only gonna make you forget about what's important, namely the experience and listening pleasure, you will probably end up as a listening machine trying to look for technicalities that are different.... this is more about listening pleasure than technical differences.....

If speakers trick you to believe that you're listening to music and not electronics, then you're into something that may potentially make you happy in the long run....

And speakers can then be enjoyable.... even without cable risers or Ferrari red speaker cables :p
I agree and you're argument supports the reasoning as to why I believe relying solely on ABX testing (sighted or blind) has limitations. You need to live with a speaker and set it up properly to truly assess its performance. The "Blind Test" camp will never truly understand this. A more balanced approach to listening and evaluation speakers is required to make a more accurate determination if that speaker is right for your needs.
 

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