How It Is

[Alex2507]

I don't know if you guys remember my opinion of that numbnut driving around with a camera video taping the cops. Well, that is my opinion of him. I think it was Jinjuku and Jonnythan who took the moral high ground saying something like if we don't fight the abuse of power then we have already lost.

Here's a video:

This isn't a lofty debate. This is how it is.

 

[jamie2112]

That is totally how it is in almost every police station and its really sad that most of it isn't caught on video. These idiots should be tried and sent to Jail. A fifteen year old girl no matter what she said should not have been treated that way. They freakin manhandled her like a vicious criminal......15 years old. My daughter is almost 11 and I would be goin to jail for going bezerk on the one cop. What a shame it will be if they get off......I would be outraged if I were here parents. Thats a lawsuit waiting to happen.

 

[TheFactor]

SAYS VID NO LONGER THERE edit ok its working now

 

[Adam]

SAYS VID NO LONGER THERE

Still works for me, and I'm on a different computer than before (so it's not cached).

 

[jamie2112]

They police are TRAINED to ignore comments especially minors. She kicked her shoe lightly at the officer and he exploded on her. Wrong pal you are going down dude. I am pretty sure of it.......

 

[TheFactor]

Wow pretty sad I agree verbal and physical abuse are two different things and police officers should be trained to handle that type of situation without violence

 

[Adam]

Wrong pal you are going down dude. I am pretty sure of it.......

Put him into general population, and it'll be in more ways than one.

 

[jamie2112]

Wow pretty sad I agree verbal and physical abuse are two different things and police officers should be trained to handle that type of situation without violence

They ARE trained .......

 

[rnatalli]

Some men simply need to beat women to feel like men. Pathetic...

 

[speakerman39]

Put him into general population, and it'll be in more ways than one.

So very true. What will he do when he gets to meet Big Bubba and gets to become his b*t*h!!!! The cop would then get what he deserves imho. I have a degree in Criminal Justice as was hoping to become a cop one day. However, they way the cops are here locally changed all of that. That is, I would not be one now if they paid me a 100k a year!!!! OK, I might consider it if they offered me that much. But, if I were that 15-year olds Daddy, then the chances are real good I would get to meet Big Bubba too. That should tell you something.

Cheers,

Phil

 

[TheFactor]

That vid makes me sick to my stomach ...... im out

 

[Tomorrow]

As in all walks of life, there are the good ones and the bad ones. All cops have to deal with more living trash than you or I see in a lifetime. It's surprising more cops don't get pissed at maltreatment and bust a gasket. Every cop in our tiny town (20 cop PD) has been shot or had broken or busted up body parts. And you certainly do not know the exact circumstance or reason for the reaction of the cop in the vid.

What would you do without police to handle the gangs, drugs, drunks, burglars, accidents, etc? A little praise might be warranted for the group, too. Cut them a break in your generalizations, please. There are people in every one of your lines of work that have gone berserk and flipped and hurt someone. They just happen to have more cameras in PD's than most other places. And let's not rush to judgement on this particular lone cop, until the facts are in.

 

[Adam]

Well said, RJ. There are a lot of good cops out there.

In this case, though, I don't know what facts are going to change the initial impression of that video. The girl was already within containment, and the cell door could have simply been shut to end the interaction. Instead of choosing that route, the cop charged into the cell to beat her. That seems pretty cut and dried to me.

 

[10010011]

Worst part about things like this is the officers are always placed on paid administrative leave during the investigation.

Paid administrative leave...

So if you are in law enforcement and you break the law you get a PAID VACATION?

They should be put on UNPAID SUSPENSION and have to turn in their badge and gun during the investigation.

Then if they are found innocent maybe receive the back pay.

 

[jamie2112]

Well said, RJ. There are a lot of good cops out there.

In this case, though, I don't know what facts are going to change the initial impression of that video. The girl was already within containment, and the cell door could have simply been shut to end the interaction. Instead of choosing that route, the cop charged into the cell to beat her. That seems pretty cut and dried to me.

There are alot of good cops out just not this one......

 

[Tomorrow]

Guilty until proven innocent, eh? You simply don't know what the situation was. Did she admit to having active AIDS and spit on him? Had she already kneed him in the nuts before the room entry? You don't know the facts, do you? I surely don't.

You know, I agree, though...if the guy is guilty of assault, then take him through the judicial system. But why is THIS act any more worthy of placement on AH or in the news beyond any other assault? Because he's a cop? That's the BS part.

 

[Adam]

Guilty until proven innocent, eh? You simply don't know what the situation was. Did she admit to having active AIDS and spit on him? Had she already kneed him in the nuts before the room entry? You don't know the facts, do you?

I didn't say that the facts won't change the initial impression, just that I can't imagine a set of facts that would. Both of your examples would lend themselves better to closing the cell door than moving inside for further confrontation.

Because he's a cop? That's the BS part.

I disagree. Police officers yield a level of authority granted to them by government, and they are paid by our tax dollars. Abuse of that authority is an issue, above and beyond physical abuse by one human upon another. That authority was used to bring that girl into custody, place her into a situation from which she could not escape, and then beat her without having an officer of the law intervene.

 

[jamie2112]

Well put Adam.

 

[Alex2507]

you certainly do not know the exact circumstance or reason for the reaction of the cop in the vid.

I do know with 100% certainty that our lovely 15 year old victim's last words were nothing like, "I'm really sorry for all the trouble I have caused." I didn't post the thread to bash cops at all. I wanted to demonstrate that 'rights' and such are illusion based. If you're gonna push somebody, expect them to push back. Especially if they have guns and badges and you're outnumbered. It should be clear as day that she could have avoided that bit of unpleasantness.

Oh yeah, I think that they should make that guy do time at the zoo.
No amount of sexual submissiveness would appease my kind.
I don't want my salad tossed.

At least in there would be no imagined rules.
Hell, you couldn't even pretend that things were gonna be okay again ... ever.

 

[Adam]

I don't think that rights are an "illusion," but I do believe that they only exist within a human society as long as members of that society agree upon them and enforce them. That is why it is important to discuss events such as this and enforce what we as a society agree is the correct set of actions.

I recall a nice discussion between Dave and I (and others) on rights. I don't want to resurrect that here, but if you want my opinion on them - you can find it pretty easily.