how important is 1080p @ 8-17ft ?

[s52e368]

ive heard tell of 1080p not being noticeable at higher distances.. any have experience with that ?

 

[mike c]

ive heard tell of 1080p not being noticeable at higher distances.. any have experience with that ?

that would depend on the screen size. the distance by itself doesn't matter, it's the combo of distance and screen size which determines what will be noticeable.

there are graphs available on the net, but I think if the ratio of your distance to screen size is less than 2:1, you should be able to notice the better PQ of 1080p.

for example, I am 13 ft away from a 9 foot screen ... the nomal SD DVD's look grainy, but the 1080 sources look great.

 

[nick1000000]

that would depend on the screen size. the distance by itself doesn't matter, it's the combo of distance and screen size which determines what will be noticeable.

there are graphs available on the net, but I think if the ratio of your distance to screen size is less than 2:1, you should be able to notice the better PQ of 1080p.

for example, I am 13 ft away from a 9 foot screen ... the nomal SD DVD's look grainy, but the 1080 sources look great.

Very true. Just to add...

Screen size Viewing distance range
30" 3.75-6.25 feet
34" 4.25-7 feet
42" 5.25-8.75 feet
50" 6.25-10.5 feet
56" 7-11.75 feet
62" 7.75-13 feet
70" 8.75-14.75 feet

Courtasy of crutchfield.com

Sitting too close to a big screen TV will show some imperfections on the screen and image will not look as smooth.
The resolution quality depends on the screen size. A 720p would look good on a 30 or 34 inch screen but start to look grainy on 50 inch and up. 1080i looks really good on 34 and 42 inch TV's, and 1080p looks really good on 50inch and up.

 

[MDS]

There are so many different 'rules' for screen size vs distance that you can't really make any sense of it until you buy a TV and see for yourself.

The Crutchfield recommendations above basically say the min distance is 1.5x the diagonal and the max is 2.5x.

Toshiba has a nice little Flash applet that lets you move a chair around and change the screen size. It's recommendations are a minimum of 2x and a max of 4x.

The SMPTE guidelines recommend a viewing angle of 30 degrees which equates to .6x the width of the TV - far closer than any of the other guidelines (although that is for HD only).

THX recommends a viewing angle of 36 degrees which equates to .75x the screen width (again HD only).

Is it any wonder people have a hard time deciding which size to buy? Based on my screen size vs distance thread, the majority of people here that said they were happy with the size were between 2x and 2.5x the screen diagonal measurement.

 

[s52e368]

nick , so if i buy a a 47" with my 8-17' distance am i wrong to think i could really get buy without a 1080p monitor

MDS - do you have a link for toshiba flash thing im not seeing it on there ..

i want a 47" for the room i know its under spec for my distances, but its what i can afford right now and something that could be moved to another room later.

im trying to decide on 720p higher end unit or a 1080p lower end

 

[MDS]

http://www.regzalcdtv.com/

It's a guided tour kind of thing. Just enter anything when it asks for your name (it just uses it to say 'Welcome Back M' when you come to the site again). There is a woman describing the Regza line and then it quickly goes to the Regza Showroom. You can listen and let her guide you or click on the icons.

The spinning compass at the top is 'Screen Size Planner'.

Last year's HL167 47" is over $800 less than the newly released LX177. It is 1080p but 60 Hz refresh, unlike the new model's 120 Hz. Might want to check that model out. I've seen it at the store and it looks damn good to me.

 

[mtrycrafts]

nick , so if i buy a a 47" with my 8-17' distance am i wrong to think i could really get buy without a 1080p monitor

MDS - do you have a link for toshiba flash thing im not seeing it on there ..
i want a 47" for the room i know its under spec for my distances, but its what i can afford right now and something that could be moved to another room later.
im trying to decide on 720p higher end unit or a 1080p lower end

Here is a good site with info from David Ranada, a knowledgeable person.

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hitech/1137/maxing-out-resolution.html

You can click on the graph and have it enlarged.
I seriously doubt that size and distance would benefit from 1080p, unless, perhaps, you connect an hi def DVD player and watch that a lot. TV stations use 720p or 1080i as HDTV.

 

[nick1000000]

nick , so if i buy a a 47" with my 8-17' distance am i wrong to think i could really get buy without a 1080p monitor

i want a 47" for the room i know its under spec for my distances, but its what i can afford right now and something that could be moved to another room later.

im trying to decide on 720p higher end unit or a 1080p lower end

Yes, you could get by without a 1080p in my opinion. I think if you have to choose between 720p and 1080p, you will not see a difference between the two on a 47" TV.
What do you mean by a lower end 1080p and a higher end 720p. Are talking about the contrast ratio? Or brands?

 

[s52e368]

Yes, you could get by without a 1080p in my opinion. I think if you have to choose between 720p and 1080p, you will not see a difference between the two on a 47" TV.
What do you mean by a lower end 1080p and a higher end 720p. Are talking about the contrast ratio? Or brands?

brands..........

 

[Duffinator]

ive heard tell of 1080p not being noticeable at higher distances.. any have experience with that ?

How long will you keep this TV? Most keep them for a minimum of 10 years. With that in mind I don't know why you would even consider anything less than 1080P. That's the current standard so why choose a lesser resolution TV? Get the 1080P and worry about more important things like how big of a sub woofer can you fit in your room.

 

[s52e368]

How long will you keep this TV? Most keep them for a minimum of 10 years. With that in mind I don't know why you would even consider anything less than 1080P. That's the current standard so why choose a lesser resolution TV? Get the 1080P and worry about more important things like how big of a sub woofer can you fit in your room.

good point !

i think ive decided to go ahead and get teh 1080p 47" lcd

 

[stratman]

I saw the Panny 50" Viera 1080p at Best Buy for under 2500.00, how can you go wrong? 3 years ago I bought my 42" Panny Viera ED and paid 2700.00!

 

[s52e368]

I saw the Panny 50" Viera 1080p at Best Buy for under 2500.00, how can you go wrong? 3 years ago I bought my 42" Panny Viera ED and paid 2700.00!

plasma isnt an option for me really

 

[croseiv]

I looked at both 720p and 1080p plasma vs LCD at CC where I bought my Sammy. You can't tell enough of a difference to justify the price difference yet IMO. Other factors come into play, like black level, and color, where at least to me, the plasma sets still win. 720p works for me because I watch from a distance of 12 ft or more from my set. You could save that extra money and put it towards some other upgrade. In a year things are going to change even more (you can bet on that). The colors on the Sammy plasma I have and the PQ are simply stunning to me (I jumped from a 32" analog CRT to a 50" HD plasma set). Unless you are going to be rather close to the set, you aren't going to reap the benefit of having 1080p. Also, don't forget that the "cheaper" sets don't necessarily offer the best customer support. Don't get too caught up in having 1080p.

 

[avaserfi]

plasma isnt an option for me really

Why not? Which types of displays are available to you?

 

[s52e368]

lighting

looking mainly at lcd's

 

[stratman]

The new Pannys have an anti-glare coating on the glass, it really shouldn't be an issue.

 

[Duffinator]

The new Pannys have an anti-glare coating on the glass, it really shouldn't be an issue.

The glare is a BIG issue for me and kept me away from plasmas so far. I'll have to check out the new Panasonic.

Hey has anybody seen the Sharp 57" yet? I've seen the 65", amazing looking, but the 57" is finally hitting the streets after months of delays.

 

[stratman]

The glare is a BIG issue for me and kept me away from plasmas so far. I'll have to check out the new Panasonic.

Hey has anybody seen the Sharp 57" yet? I've seen the 65", amazing looking, but the 57" is finally hitting the streets after months of delays.

Man, they're some nice looking sets, the 50" Viera has me dazed and drooling.

 

[Duffinator]

I'm looking for something in the 56" (my current size) to 60" range. The Panasonic 58" would work if it has the anti glare screen. So far I've been a bigger fan of LCD but I have not ruled out plasma. You can click on the link in my signature to see I have limited space.