How Do I Upgrade My System From Here?

SunnyOctopus

SunnyOctopus

Audioholic


Speakers: KRK VXT 6
Claimed Frequency Response: 52Hz - 22kHz +/-1.5dB

Subwoofer: Energy AS-180
Claimed Frequency Response: 25Hz - 150Hz +0/-3dB

Crossover set to 80hz and matched with KRK VXT's using pink noise and a Radioshack SPL meter.

The picture is bad, but when sitting and listening, speakers are at ear level. The speakers are in the middle of my room's longwall, inched apart from the window behind it by a few inches.
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This is how everything is connected:
KRK VXT 6:
XLR to RCA converter to 3.5mm stereo converter to 5.1 Creative SB X-FI Xtreme Audio soundcard.

Subwoofer
RCA to 3.5mm converter to Creative SB X-FI Xtreme Audio soundcard
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I primarily use foobar2000 to play lossless or high quality lossy music files with replaygain normalizing all albums to 75 decibels. There are no DSP's or EQ's in any software I am using. Sampling rate and bit depth are set as high as my soundcard allows, 96khz and 24bit, respectively.

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How do I upgrade my system from here? Is there like, some room correction software/hardware combo I should check out? Look into room acoustics? Upgrade speakers? Upgrade sub? Get another sub? Should I set my computer on fire?

Please let me know what you think I should do next. Thank you!
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
It looks pretty darn good. Do you like how it sounds? Do you feel like something is missing? If nothing is broken then don't fix it. ;)
 
SunnyOctopus

SunnyOctopus

Audioholic
Someone said

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XLR is supposed to be a balanced input, you're not getting the best possible sound with those 3.5 mm -> RCA -> XLR conversions from your soundcard. Get something that has a balanced output for each individual monitor, balanced TRS would work too since the VXT have hybrid XLR/TRS jacks.

Also it could be just the picture, but it does not look like your speakers are in an equilateral triangle formation with your listening position. It looks like the left one is angled in too much, positioned closer to you, AND lower than the right. Fix that (if it isn't just the picture). "

What do you guys think about that? It sounds like it might be nonsense to me, but I'm not completeeeeeeely certain. Would that make a difference? I was under the impression that balanced signals only help protect against signal interference, which only really becomes a problem when traveling wires a long distance, which is something I'm not doing.

If the answer is yes, how would you recommend I do it?
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Using a genuine balanced connection is all about two things:

1) reducing any interference from outside signals that is picked up by the wire run, and

2) increasing the amplitude of the signal that is fed to the speaker input.

The first is really only something that comes into play with long wire runs (think a live concert in a stadium or outdoors). Not an issue at all in your setup.

The second depends on the efficiency of your speakers. You generally get a 6-10 dB gain from using a genuine balanced connection. If your speakers are inefficient, this can really help to increase their output with your reference signal. Those KRK speakers do not have any output or efficiency problems, however. And you are listening to them nearfield (as intended) so more output is really not required.

In effect, you have no real need to switch over to a genuine balanced connection. A line-level RCA output is fine in your situation.

There are two things that I would recommend in order to improve your setup:

1) decouple your subwoofer.

You appear to have some sort of mat beneath your sub, but it looks very thin and does not appear to be an actual decoupling device. If I'm wrong about that, then ignore this suggestion. But you are obviously familiar with the benefits of decoupling - since you are using Auralex MoPads beneath your monitors. So decouple your subwoofer! An Auralex SubDude or GRAMMA is what I would recommend. Easy, inexpensive ($50) upgrade that will give you "tighter" bass with less added room distortion, reduced "rattles" and room reverberation and a drastically reduced "bleeding" of bass into other rooms of the house.

2) Passive room treatments.

I do not know the extent of your current room treatments, but the biggest benefit to you at this point will be to improve your acoustic environment. I would highly recommend GIK Acoustics for very affordable and effective passive room treatments.

The front wall (behind the front speakers) should be absorptive so that you are not hearing any "back wave" reflections - only the sound coming directly out of the speakers. This will reduce any time or phase interference from the reflected sound coming from the front of the room.

Your first reflection points (side walls and ceiling) should also be absorptive - again, to reduce any room reflections so that all you hear is the direct sound from your speakers.

The back wall directly behind your listening position should be highly damped and absorptive. The sound from your front speakers should "wash over you" and then "disappear" behind you. You do not want any sound bouncing off of that back wall directly back to your ears.

The back of the room (walls and ceiling) should be diffusive. You want to retain some sound "energy" in the room. This is not a recording "booth" and it is not an anechoic chamber. You do not want your room to be "dead". But you also do not want any "slap echoes" or direct reflections. Use diffusive panels to "scatter" the sound. This keeps the sound energy in the room, but does not allow any strong, direct reflections.

GIK has you completely covered for all of the products you will need in order to do this upgrade.

You will also want to place bass traps in the corners of your room. Start with the four vertical corners of your room and worry more about placing bass traps in the wall-wall-ceiling corners than the wall-wall-floor corners. You can go whole hog with bass traps - lining all of the edges of your room if you really want to reduce all of the various standing wave patterns that can crop up in any given room. But the vertical corners at the top are the worst offenders and you should definitely place bass traps in those four corners.

Again, GIK has you covered. You can use their Tri-Traps for a nice, snug fit. Or, if you want to keep the cost down, just straddle four of their 244 bass trap panels across the upper corners of your room.

3) After those important upgrades, the only other thing I would suggest would be to upgrade your subwoofer. Choosing a subwoofer that can truly reach down to 20Hz or lower will fill in the last tiny bit of frequency spectrum that you are not getting with your current subwoofer.

My highest recommendation would be the HSU ULS-15, which is a sealed 15" subwoofer with genuine, fantastic output down into the infrasonic 16 Hz range. Magnificent for nearfield listening!

Hope that helps!
 
SunnyOctopus

SunnyOctopus

Audioholic
Such a great response. Thank you so much. < 3

I don't have any room treatment! I really want to get some, though. I probably will, soon.

I will try decoupling my sub from the floor by using those things they have on playgrounds to stop children from hurting themselves when they fall. Will that work? How high should I lift my sub? I could lift my sub up until it was touching the desk with them...

That subwoofer looks epic! I don't think I'll ever have it, though. :3
The subwoofer I'm using now, I purchased 1/4 broken off Craigslist for $80. XD
 
just-some-guy

just-some-guy

Audioholic Field Marshall
if that were mine. i would move the speakers out/wider a little. and get a better/larger monitor. at least a 22". and decouple the sub.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Decoupling is all about "floating" the speaker/subwoofer on some sort of "shock absorber" so that the physical vibrations are not able to reach the solid floor surface.

So almost any sort of cushion will have some amount of decoupling effect. One very inexpensive and good decoupling device is simply thick carpet pad (the underlayment that you put beneath a carpet).

I'm honestly not sure how well those playground pads will work - I've never tried those as a decoupling device for a subwoofer. It isn't about raising the height of the subwoofer. It's just about placing a cushion between the bottom of the subwoofer and the floor so that the physical vibrations of the subwoofer do not reach the floor ;)

Oh, and if those GIK products are more than you want to pay, definitely consider the DIY route. GIK sells the raw materials, but you can often find those same raw materials locally for a little bit less if you look around :)
 
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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Staff member
I think your setup looks fine. What sound card are you using? If it is on-board motherboard sound, many times they use cheap analog jacks that can be noisy. There are some very nice sound cards out there now which will have a much better outs. Another thing you can do to get around noisy crappy analog jacks is to get a stereo receiver or pre-amp with digital inputs, and use the digital out on your computer to your receiver or pre-amp.

The sub looks cheap but if its configured correctly it might not sound bad. Hopefully it is crossed over pretty low so it doesn't draw too much attention to itself.
 
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