How close are we to WWIII?

[Dude#1279435]

Criticizes Obama over 10 years ago on an Iran war. Currently is in one LOL.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Wow this is f--ked up from this guy's perspective. He predicted three things: Trump would win in '24, they would go to war with Iran, and the US would lose the Iran war. 78% of Americans did not support the initial bombing back then, and he states we need ground troops to complete regime change, which there's almost no support for US ground troops. If we were to lose the war he feels this would, at least in part I imagine, change the world order. If it's not looking good than Trump might pull the troops and in predictable fashion say we won the war anyways. I'd give it a watch. Pretty interesting, or sad I should say.

Edit: what's really f--ked up is he says a I dunno some type of 'wars clause' with the Iran war and gives Trump immunity and a potential third term because if he left office you'd have the courts going after him. This is kind of why I guess I was saying just let Trump go. Let him die off. Don't go after him cause then the mofo will be in office another term. Whether or not that's conspiracy I dunno but like ok you went after him with some of these frivolous suits in '20 so just let him go. I mean was the Stormy case worth the time? No.

 

[j_garcia]

For the hypocrisy in the first half of the video where Trump is criticizing Obama multiple times for being desperate and will go to war with Iran LOL.

It seems pretty muddled to me the reasoning for going into Iran. Yes I know they are bad, but are we going in to obliterate them once and for all? We kind of just put up with em in the past with sanctions I assume so would need to know a specific reason as to what makes it emergency warfare, like they've stockpiled uranium recently and are ready to go nuclear.

Edit: I don't really get it cause didn't we recently talk about or bomb Iranian sites so it would seem that would halt or slow their progress.

It was last year...we bombed their nuclear development sites. Trump claimed we "obliterated" their capability to manufacture weapons grade uranium, but here we are.

 

[Dude#1279435]

The part where the guy says Israel and a religious war and presumably the "end times" or whatever I thought was so f--ked up.

 

[mtrycrafts]

For the hypocrisy in the first half of the video where Trump is criticizing Obama multiple times for being desperate and will go to war with Iran LOL.

It seems pretty muddled to me the reasoning for going into Iran. Yes I know they are bad, but are we going in to obliterate them once and for all? We kind of just put up with em in the past with sanctions I assume so would need to know a specific reason as to what makes it emergency warfare, like they've stockpiled uranium recently and are ready to go nuclear.

Edit: I don't really get it cause didn't we recently talk about or bomb Iranian sites so it would seem that would halt or slow their progress.

Not to worry. He has a mental issue, hard to know what he is saying, or make sense out of it.
He also mentions something like when he gets bored with Iran, he'll move on. That is how you run a country and a war.


Oh, wait. He is in charge. People are following him to a letter. Worry.

 

[Dude#1279435]

I'm probably wrong about all that. I think were bombing them to force a regime change and that's about it.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Not to worry. He has a mental issue, hard to know what he is saying, or make sense out of it.
He also mentions something like when he gets bored with Iran, he'll move on. That is how you run a country and a war.


Oh, wait. He is in charge. People are following him to a letter. Worry.

Operation Epic Fury-- it's not a video game lol.

 

[dlaloum]

All these arriel attacks will degrade their capability, but will not change the basic equation and put the real work off for another day.

After brutal attacks it is unlikely a peaceful democratic regime will appear. Chances of that are 1000:1 agaist at least.

So meaningful change can only come by restoring peaceful and stable governance. It is overwhelmingly likely that will require boots on the ground and a functional civil service. Nation building is not something the US is renowned for.

To be fair, a few exceptional US leaders, led to true Nation building in the late 40's and early 50's...

 

[dlaloum]

The funniest and most ironic claim I heard on the news was made by Hegseth. "We did not start this war". Really???? I guess Hitler didn't start WW2 based on Hegsethonian logic. Its scarey that the current US leadership have such a poor grip in reality.

According to some accounts - Israel launched its attack unilaterally... and the US then decided to join in... that may well be the source of the Hegseth "logic"

 

[3db]

The boots on the ground are required for a legitimate regime change. It CANNOT not be done by airstrikes alone. If both US and Israeli forces dontvput soldiers into Iran, the Iran will fall into ISIS or Elquida hands. If they dont, then there are hidden agendas by both Trump and Netanyahu.

I also noted that Hegseth, Trump, and others from the merry band of aszholes have been delivering contradicting messages. What a sad joke the current US leadsrship is.

 

[3db]

According to some accounts - Israel launched its attack unilaterally... and the US then decided to join in... that may well be the source of the Hegseth "logic"

That's still a smoke screen but slightly more believeable.

 

[mtrycrafts]

According to some accounts - Israel launched its attack unilaterally... and the US then decided to join in... that may well be the source of the Hegseth "logic"

I heard that or something similar. But you don't bring an armada, 2 carrier battle groups to that location overnight and without a good war plan. Planning takes time, lots of it. Coordination between two battle groups also time-consuming in the war plans.
Someone had started this in Jan 2025.

There had to be joint planning with Irael.

 

[TLS Guy]

That's still a smoke screen but slightly more believeable.

I think they did lead, as it was Israel who took out the 'Supreme Leader." Now an Supreme ex leader. This was the very first strike against Iran so they had no warning.

 

[Jeepers]

The boots on the ground are required for a legitimate regime change. It CANNOT not be done by airstrikes alone. If both US and Israeli forces dontvput soldiers into Iran, the Iran will fall into ISIS or Elquida hands.

The US had boots in Afghanistan, left and the Taliban took over again.

 

[Dude#1279435]

One person theorized Ayatollah knew they would strike and since he was getting old anyway chose not to duck in a bunker and instead be a martyr and galvanize the region. I'm also hearing we have only 2 or 3 weeks of air defense before we become depleted. Iran will go after civilian and infrastructure cause they want us to feel the pain. I dunno if Israel struck and then Trump decided to back them up, but another theory is Trump thought Iran would be a pushover like Venezuela where you could bomb a few boats and grab a leader and they'd bow over. If that's the case it's pretty stupid because dying for their cause is what Iranians and similar countries live for.

 

[Jeepers]

I didn't say they were- Yemen and Gulf of Adan and Gaza aren't in Iran either, but Iran funded & armed and supported them. Hopefully, that's done with.

I am not supporting Iran but nobody is clean. Remember how the US supported the military Junta's in South and Central America between the 60's and 80's, killing their own people, in order to keep Communism out.

 

[TLS Guy]

I think you can actually make the case that WWIII may have now begun or could break out. There are now 8 regional countries at least who have enjoined the conflict.

The UK is now belatedly an active participant after Iran's attack on Cyprus. On that account Greece has also enjoined the war and sent reinforcing forces to Cyprus. The Italians are stating to mobilize and by extension I am sure the EEC is gearing up, Italy especially due to proximity.

Russia and China are firmly committed to Iran.

All it would take in one more spark and WWIII will have begun. The spark would most likely be China taking this as an opportunity to invade Taiwan. Other possibilities are Russia invading the Baltic, or Balkan states or even trying to take back Kerala which the Fins have been afraid of and taking steps to defend for some time.

This is certainly the most serious situation since the Suez crisis.in 1956.

In many ways there are alarming similarities to the crisis in the Balkans that ended up precipitating the first world war.

Shipping is building up either side of the Straight of Hormuz. There is no insurance, but it is being worked on and insurance rates being talked about are between a half and million dollars per transition through the straight. That will cause oil and liquid natural gas prices to rise smartly.

Unfortunately I don't see a quick end to this, and it could easily spiral to disaster fast.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I think they did lead, as it was Israel who took out the 'Supreme Leader." Now an Supreme ex leader. This was the very first strike against Iran so they had no warning.

They may have led but it was certainly part of the plan and the whole strike plan was coordinated between the two countries.

 

[mtrycrafts]

One person theorized Ayatollah knew they would strike and since he was getting old anyway chose not to duck in a bunker and instead be a martyr and galvanize the region. I'm also hearing we have only 2 or 3 weeks of air defense before we become depleted. Iran will go after civilian and infrastructure cause they want us to feel the pain. I dunno if Israel struck and then Trump decided to back them up, but another theory is Trump thought Iran would be a pushover like Venezuela where you could bomb a few boats and grab a leader and they'd bow over. If that's the case it's pretty stupid because dying for their cause is what Iranians and similar countries live for.

That is what I hear as well. They certainly not planned well on how much ammo they would need.
Now, to get a $ amount for this whole business, how many billions.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I think you can actually make the case that WWIII may have now begun or could break out. There are now 8 regional countries at least who have enjoined the conflict.

The UK is now belatedly an active participant after Iran's attack on Cyprus. On that account Greece has also enjoined the war and sent reinforcing forces to Cyprus. The Italians are stating to mobilize and by extension I am sure the EEC is gearing up, Italy especially due to proximity.

Russia and China are firmly committed to Iran.

All it would take in one more spark and WWIII will have begun. The spark would most likely be China taking this as an opportunity to invade Taiwan. Other possibilities are Russia invading the Baltic, or Balkan states or even trying to take back Kerala which the Fins have been afraid of and taking steps to defend for some time.

This is certainly the most serious situation since the Suez crisis.in 1956.

In many ways there are alarming similarities to the crisis in the Balkans that ended up precipitating the first world war.

Shipping is building up either side of the Straight of Hormuz. There is no insurance, but it is being worked on and insurance rates being talked about are between a half and million dollars per transition through the straight. That will cause oil and liquid natural gas prices to rise smartly.

Unfortunately I don't see a quick end to this, and it could easily spiral to disaster fast.

I am pretty sure the prime minister said Brits are not part of this even though Cyprus was hit.