How can a $300 soundbar sound better than $700? Just demoed at Best Buy.

KEW

KEW

Audioholic Warlord
I went ahead and ordered the Yamaha from A4L for $150. Reviews of it are pretty great and it supports a bit more than the Pioneer I was considering. I'm still skeptical that it will sound decent, but for the price I'll probably be happy with it.
I hope it works out for you.
Kind of funny, the driver complement is the opposite of a typical two way speaker:
You have a 6.5" woofer and I'd consider the 2-1/8" full range effectively a mid-tweeter!
I think you understood the compromise of a soundbar when you made the decision.

Montucky puts it well - if beating the TV speakers is your objective, that is easy.
But if equaling separate speakers is your objective you will be disappointed (even if you sawed it in half and separated the speakers by 6 feet, there would be significant improvement)!

Just looking at this unit on paper, You will not have the crisp top-end of a dedicated tweeter, otherwise, I would expect it to be pretty decent.

Hope you will give us a report and also let us know if Yamaha has figured out any effects that are beneficial!

Looking at Yamaha's more expensive options, they are going smaller on the sub (at least the spot check I did) and adding "beam" speakers which I'd guess to be an effort to throw sound around the room as if you are going to get 5-7 channel sound out of a soundbar. That seems like the kind of gimmickry Steve81 mentioned where the more expensive units sound worse.
 
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Steve81

Steve81

Audioholics Five-0
Looking at Yamaha's more expensive options, they are going smaller on the sub (at least the spot check I did) and adding "beam" speakers which I'd guess to be an effort to throw sound around the room as if you are going to get 5-7 channel sound out of a soundbar. That seems like the kind of gimmickry Steve81 mentioned where the more expensive units sound worse.
FWIW, I did review a Yamaha pedestal sound bar with the "beam" speakers here. The TLDR version is that while it worked to some extent, it was in no way a substitute for an actual discrete surround system. In addition, the sound bar's built in subwoofers were a bad joke at best.

Suffice it to say, Yamaha wasn't exactly thrilled with my review, and more or less opined that trying to apply audiophile standards to such a product was going beyond what their target market would expect. While probably true, it's not beyond what Audioholics' target market would expect, and personally, I'd prefer no surround to a flawed attempt at simulating it.
 
panteragstk

panteragstk

Audioholic Ninja
I hope it works out for you.
Kind of funny, the driver complement is the opposite of a typical two way speaker:
You have a 6.5" woofer and I'd consider the 2-1/8" full range effectively a mid-tweeter!
I think you understood the compromise of a soundbar when you made the decision.

Montucky puts it well - if beating the TV speakers is your objective, that is easy.
But if equaling separate speakers is your objective you will be disappointed (even if you sawed it in half and separated the speakers by 6 feet, there would be significant improvement)!

Just looking at this unit on paper, You will not have the crisp top-end of a dedicated tweeter, otherwise, I would expect it to be pretty decent.

Hope you will give us a report and also let us know if Yamaha has figured out any effects that are beneficial!

Looking at Yamaha's more expensive options, they are going smaller on the sub (at least the spot check I did) and adding "beam" speakers which I'd guess to be an effort to throw sound around the room as if you are going to get 5-7 channel sound out of a soundbar. That seems like the kind of gimmickry Steve81 mentioned where the more expensive units sound worse.
This pretty much sums up what I feel about sound bars in general...



But I do agree, the driver layout doesn't promise much, but for $150 for the whole unit there is only hope to sound better than my TV. I've got 3 other systems in the house to listen to if I need higher quality audio.
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Samurai
When I demoed some at BB a while back the Vizio sounded best to me. Soundbars are a crapshoot for all the reasons you posted. I just want to find one that is 2.1 or 3.1 that sounds decent. It's for a bedroom so it doesn't have to be great.
Me too.

Every time I run into a "sound bar with atmos" or something I just end up shaking my head.

Like: how about you make not-painful 2-channel sound? If I want surround sound, I'll use discreet speakers. I use a soundbar because the TV or monitor has crap speakers; not because I'm setting up a home theater.

If I can just find a not-insanely-priced soundbar (with external woofer, I'm sure) that sounds like an OK pair of bookshelves, I'll be thrilled.

Hell: I will gladly take a monoral soundbar that was also physically large, and combined a transmission line, group (2-4) reasonably large midrange drivers (4"?) and some sort of horn tweeter.

I don't need positional audio from my soundbar, I need non-painful audio from my soundbar!
 
William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Ninja
FWIW, I did review a Yamaha pedestal sound bar with the "beam" speakers here. The TLDR version is that while it worked to some extent, it was in no way a substitute for an actual discrete surround system. In addition, the sound bar's built in subwoofers were a bad joke at best.

Suffice it to say, Yamaha wasn't exactly thrilled with my review, and more or less opined that trying to apply audiophile standards to such a product was going beyond what their target market would expect. While probably true, it's not beyond what Audioholics' target market would expect, and personally, I'd prefer no surround to a flawed attempt at simulating it.
The thing that fries my a$$ is they think they can have it both ways. But really, how can they sell this crap to normal people with all the promise of surround sound glory, and then turn around and tell you your standards are too high. Wtf...
 
William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Ninja
Me too.

Every time I run into a "sound bar with atmos" or something I just end up shaking my head.

Like: how about you make not-painful 2-channel sound? If I want surround sound, I'll use discreet speakers. I use a soundbar because the TV or monitor has crap speakers; not because I'm setting up a home theater.

If I can just find a not-insanely-priced soundbar (with external woofer, I'm sure) that sounds like an OK pair of bookshelves, I'll be thrilled.

Hell: I will gladly take a monoral soundbar that was also physically large, and combined a transmission line, group (2-4) reasonably large midrange drivers (4"?) and some sort of horn tweeter.

I don't need positional audio from my soundbar, I need non-painful audio from my soundbar!
Lol! My friend called me the other day to BS and told me how he had listened to a 1k HK soundbar with atmos in BB. I didn’t realize right away, but after about 5min I figure out I was on a tirade about marketing and real surround and on and on.

I just wish they would call something what it is. It everything can be a Swiss Army knife.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Audioholic Overlord
The thing that fries my a$$ is they think they can have it both ways. But really, how can they sell this crap to normal people with all the promise of surround sound glory, and then turn around and tell you your standards are too high. Wtf...
You have to remember- their target customer hears sound from behind them and hopes someone will find a coin behind their ear.
 
William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Ninja
You have to remember- their target customer hears sound from behind them and hopes someone will find a coin behind their ear.
Lol! Ain’t that the truth. One bad demographic ruins it for another...
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Samurai
Oh, they can, but in my opinion they're best once you step up to a passive bar.
So... two center-channel speakers bolted together?

Of course, you're also throwing hundreds of watts at 'em versus the built-in puny amps that most sound bars contain.
That seems unlikely. Even an 85db-sensitive speaker would hit 100db @~40w

Overall though, I will still almost always prefer a proper discrete setup, but don't completely discount the concept of a bar. Right tool for the job sometimes for sure.
Yep.

Home theater? Discreet setup. Guest room TV? Soundbar.
 
Kingnoob

Kingnoob

Full Audioholic
I hope it works out for you.
Kind of funny, the driver complement is the opposite of a typical two way speaker:
You have a 6.5" woofer and I'd consider the 2-1/8" full range effectively a mid-tweeter!
I think you understood the compromise of a soundbar when you made the decision.

Montucky puts it well - if beating the TV speakers is your objective, that is easy.
But if equaling separate speakers is your objective you will be disappointed (even if you sawed it in half and separated the speakers by 6 feet, there would be significant improvement)!

Just looking at this unit on paper, You will not have the crisp top-end of a dedicated tweeter, otherwise, I would expect it to be pretty decent.

Hope you will give us a report and also let us know if Yamaha has figured out any effects that are beneficial!

Looking at Yamaha's more expensive options, they are going smaller on the sub (at least the spot check I did) and adding "beam" speakers which I'd guess to be an effort to throw sound around the room as if you are going to get 5-7 channel sound out of a soundbar. That seems like the kind of gimmickry Steve81 mentioned where the more expensive units sound worse.
I don’t understand why soundbars lie to consumers and say it’s. 5-7 channel it’s a one channel system or a 2.1 end of story .
How did the $159 soundbars end up sounding was it good?
I see soundbars very cheap used on Facebook is that an option if your lower in cash like me ??? I use a old stereo system because I cannot afford anything new right now .


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KEW

KEW

Audioholic Warlord
I don’t understand why soundbars lie to consumers and say it’s. 5-7 channel it’s a one channel system or a 2.1 end of story .
They can claim (in this case) 7.1.2 because it has the drivers to do it (if you buy into bouncy house speakers)!
Here is a view of the drivers from a YSP-5600 ($1600 MSRP)


Certainly I'm not impressed, but it is hard to make the case that all of these drivers are for a 2.1 system, especially since the bouncy house Atmos speakers seem to be an accepted practice..

Out of curiosity I picked up one of these (not sure which specific model) I came across at my Goodwill Store for $40. It sounds about as good as you could expect if you use it in simple stereo mode. The multi-channel setting might add some interest for some HT, but in general, I would leave the extra channels disabled!
 
William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Ninja
I don’t understand why soundbars lie to consumers and say it’s. 5-7 channel it’s a one channel system or a 2.1 end of story .
How did the $159 soundbars end up sounding was it good?
I see soundbars very cheap used on Facebook is that an option if your lower in cash like me ??? I use a old stereo system because I cannot afford anything new right now .


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I would totally rather have your system over a sound bar.
 

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