Help with budget home theater

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aus10

Audioholic Intern
It'll be a step up from the Klispches, but It won't be very good. Here is the frequency response of the studio 20s:



You can do better with a lot of the stuff that's been recommended to you in this thread.
Wow I thought those were the best I guess I knew paradigms were good and I liked there sound a lOt so wht do you guys recommend above everything with $1500 for just speakers as of now that is a center and front left and right.

What is the best even better then paradigms?
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
What is the best even better then paradigms?
I wanna give a disclaimer before I say anything else:

:Subjectively, the studio 20s might still be your favorite speaker:. That is, they might have the most pleasing colorations, or shifts away from accurate, to your mind as it tries to listen to the speaker rather than the recording.

But superior speakers will have a more accurate representation of tonality and be more relaxed to your ears. They might have less bass, less treble, but they will be more balanced as a result. So the best, might not be your favorite. It might be your favorite, too. Just sayin`. If you prefer accuracy over `pleasing` then based on what people in this thread have already recommended, IMO Aperions, PSB, Focal, Ascend, and Infinity are all brands I`d be more inclined towards than Paradigm. and of course EMP :cool:
 
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aus10

Audioholic Intern
I wanna give a disclaimer before I say anything else:

:Subjectively, the studio 20s might still be your favorite speaker:. That is, they might have the most pleasing colorations, or shifts away from accurate, to your mind as it tries to listen to the speaker rather than the recording.

But superior speakers will have a more accurate representation of tonality and be more relaxed to your ears. They might have less bass, less treble, but they will be more balanced as a result. So the best, might not be your favorite. It might be your favorite, too. Just sayin`. If you prefer accuracy over `pleasing` then based on what people in this thread have already recommended, IMO Aperions, PSB, Focal, Ascend, and Infinity are all brands I`d be more inclined towards than Paradigm. and of course EMP :cool:
I looked at the emps and they looked good can you build a system from those? Would those be better? They are cheaper...

Would this be better then paradigms?

http://www.emptek.com/impseries51_pkg2.php

Drop that subwoofer and then get this subwoofer

http://emotiva.com/xref_sub12.shtm

For those 5 speakers it would be 970 how are they better then the paradigms which are 1000 for just the 20s...

I like that sub btw..
 
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aus10

Audioholic Intern
Wait did i miss read what u said r u saying you wouldnt recommend paradigms and emp? The other guy recommend emp..
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
My brother makes more money than I do. A lot more. Plus he is single and has a lot more time on his hands.

He listened to all my speakers. And after he listened to all my fancy expensive speakers, he listened to my cheap Infinity P362 speakers.

Then he said, "I think the Infinity speakers are good enough for me. Good enough bass. Clear sound. Good enough for me.":eek::D

I guess for him, speakers don't have to cost a lot of money to sound great.

EMP speakers are great. So are Aperion. So are Ascend. So are Infinity and JBL. So are Pioneer. So are a lot of speakers.

Rule of thumb for me is, regardless of price, buy speakers that have accurate on-axis FR and smooth off-axis FR, and you usually can't go wrong.:D

Also, it doesn't hurt to buy from a place that will allow returns if you are unhappy with the sound quality of the speakers.:D
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
I have never hears of the axis stuff but will those speakers have better sound clarity and volume then the monitor paradigms?

I'm between those two...

And the denon 1712 and the pioneer 1021k still.
The PSB Image series I mentioned will easily outperform the Paradigm Monitor series and are equally on par with EMP. You should audition these speakers.
 
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aus10

Audioholic Intern
The PSB Image series I mentioned will easily outperform the Paradigm Monitor series and are equally on par with EMP. You should audition these speakers.
So im guessing everyone is saying dont do paradigms do emp or psb?

But paradigms are more expensive.....

Im thinking i am going to do the emps and it comes with a 30 day return policy and if i like there sound and sound good then i will keep them and if i dont i will return them and go back to paradigms would that be smart?
 
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GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
I have never hears of the axis stuff but will those speakers have better sound clarity and volume then the monitor paradigms?
The 45/60 degree off axis response wasn't measured, but the 15/30 degree off axis looked very good. A good part of "clarity" is how our brain perceives reflections off the wall produced by the speaker. The better the speaker, the more the reflection off the wall (caused by the sound produced at a that angle) sounds similar like the on-axis response - giving your brains the same message rather than a confusing message. The less your brain is "confused" the more you perceive clarity. There's other factors in perception of clarity, and a flat frequency response is another one of them. The more balanced the tonality, the less any one region dominates another region. THere's still many more distortions speakers can introduce to the mix, and the measurements available are not adequate to make enough judgement (though they do exist). Here, subjective auditioning in the same room is suggested.

As for volume, the Paradigm Studio 20s are a 2-way, 2 driver speaker, while the e55tis are a 3-way, 6 driver speaker. Because they have more surface area, they really don't have to work nearly as much as the Studio 20s to produce the same output level. So as you turn the volume up, the amount each driver has to work is going to be lower, and this means that more than likely, the e55tis can play louder than the smaller speaker. It might not "sound" as loud in the sense of wanting to turn it down, though.

As an owner of the e55tis, I find they play very loud without every being difficult to listen to. Based on my auditions with paradigm speakers, the EMP Teks do have a different presentation. Paradigms get somewhat "in your face" which is an easy way for a company to sell a speaker, while the EMP sound seems to eminate a bit more from the area around and somewhat behind the speaker.

I recommend trying out the 30 day audition period with any internet direct brand. The high value of internet direct is never garaunteed, but it's often a big positive.

But paradigms are more expensive.....
More expensive rarely means much, within reasonable threshold.

if i like there sound and sound good then i will keep them and if i dont i will return them and go back to paradigms would that be smart?
This is a good idea. I do recommend watching things like movies and listening to the music you're most familiar with, and comparing the two. They will have different
presentations, so it's important to spend time listening yourself and decide which does a better job with your source material.

Remember to audition the speakers in the SAME room - and a good dealer will definitely support an in-home audition. The amount of effect your room can have on the sound is singificant and worthy of note.
 
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aus10

Audioholic Intern
Thank you that really helped.

One question what is it when you turn the volume up so loud that the speakers make a sorta hiss sound in the back ground cuz thats what the studio 10s did. They sounded great just had a kinda sound in the back that was weird as if they were over powered a little maybe im wrong and its normal.

So i will start with the pioneer receiver try it see if i like it. Order the emp speakers listen to a ton of music and movies and if im happy with them then keep them if not return go for paradigm speakers. After that great the emotive subwoofer and be done...

Also i made a thread looking for a surge protector and a power cleaner if you guys can help... Also i would like to get some foam sound stuff to help deaden my room so was wondering if you guys knew some cheaper stuff to line my walls (parents complain about sound). Also ill post a pic of the room for help setting it up..

Also i want a cabinet for my av stuff ps3 receiver ec found one for 1000 wayyyy to much so anything cheaper i can look for?

Thank you guys
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
One question what is it when you turn the volume up so loud that the speakers make a sorta hiss sound in the back ground cuz thats what the studio 10s did. They sounded great just had a kinda sound in the back that was weird as if they were over powered a little maybe im wrong and its normal.
I really don't know. It could have been receiver/amplifier noise, it could have been a low level sound in the recording, it could have been sibilance, it could have been an effect of audition room acoustics, and it could have been speak distortion. The problem with a single, short term audition with limited content material is that there's so many factors at play.

Also i would like to get some foam sound stuff to help deaden my room so was wondering if you guys knew some cheaper stuff to line my walls (parents complain about sound). Also ill post a pic of the room for help setting it up..
You don't want to line your walls with foam. It has very poor absorption coefficients which will lead to an imbalance in the sound. If the problem is noise leaking into other rooms, you need to sound deaden the walls internally with insulation, constrain layer damping, and staggered studs, not externally as that won't solve the problem of sound transmission, only reflection. If the problem is too live room acoustics, i would experiment first with a good pair of speakers before anything. If you do eventually want to try out absoprtion (or diffusion) room treatments, you will need materials with reliably effective absorption coefficients like 4" to 8" thick rigid fibreglass, not foam. However that doesn't necessarily mean a room with less reflections automatically sounds better. It is somewhat recording dependant and speaker dependant, what kind of room sounds better. Either way, if the goal is to prevent sound leakage, the solution is not room treatments but sound deadening.
 
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3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Thank you that really helped.

One question what is it when you turn the volume up so loud that the speakers make a sorta hiss sound in the back ground cuz thats what the studio 10s did. They sounded great just had a kinda sound in the back that was weird as if they were over powered a little maybe im wrong and its normal.

So i will start with the pioneer receiver try it see if i like it. Order the emp speakers listen to a ton of music and movies and if im happy with them then keep them if not return go for paradigm speakers. After that great the emotive subwoofer and be done...

Also i made a thread looking for a surge protector and a power cleaner if you guys can help... Also i would like to get some foam sound stuff to help deaden my room so was wondering if you guys knew some cheaper stuff to line my walls (parents complain about sound). Also ill post a pic of the room for help setting it up..http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=834352

Also i want a cabinet for my av stuff ps3 receiver ec found one for 1000 wayyyy to much so anything cheaper i can look for?

Thank you guys
That hiss is amplifier noise and is inherent in all semiconductors. Mind you that hiss is only audable if the receiver volume is fully cranked and there is no input from a dvd/cd, turntable, tuner. I don't have a high end server
 
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aus10

Audioholic Intern
Ok I have had that issue before with the hiss in the background but it was happening during the music anyways

I cant tare down the walls and rebuild i wanted something simple to help deaden the room a bit like the foam or fiberglass i was going to line the walls with it so when im watching a movie and it gets loud my rents wont complain... I cant afford/care enough to pay for all that...

Also I think i am going to go with two of these for power cleaners one for audio and one for the rest...

Amazon.com: Belkin PureAV® PF30 Home Theater Power Console: Electronics
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
I have never found a reason to use. poower conditioner.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I have never found a reason to use. poower conditioner.
I used to live near a radio station. My speakers would play the radio - interferance - all on their own. Then I got a Panamax conditioner & it stopped.:D

I'm no longer using the Panamax.
 
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