Help selecting new speakers

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Bayboy

Enthusiast
I'm in the market for new speakers. I will be replacing the fronts, sub and center. I have the HTD HD-R80 for the rears that I will keep. I would like to stay around 1K for the fronts to start with. I have thought about going with the level 3 towers, center and sub from HTD to complete my system. Does anyone have this brand? I will be using this setup mainly for music and movies. I will be buying a new receiver as well after I purchase the speakers. I could use all the help trying to decide. This will be my first real speaker setup.

Matt
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
I'm in the market for new speakers. I will be replacing the fronts, sub and center. I have the HTD HD-R80 for the rears that I will keep. I would like to stay around 1K for the fronts to start with. I have thought about going with the level 3 towers, center and sub from HTD to complete my system. Does anyone have this brand? I will be using this setup mainly for music and movies. I will be buying a new receiver as well after I purchase the speakers. I could use all the help trying to decide. This will be my first real speaker setup.

Matt
I haven't heard of them before. I can't comment on them.
 
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Guangui

Full Audioholic
Sounds like STD...Anyways, I have seen the brand before, but cannot comment. There is another forum where I have seen them being mentioned every now and them. Check that forum (AVS).
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
I am also looking for some different front speakers, and have found the Axiom Millennia M80's. They are offering a free upgrade to glossy cherry for a limited time. What does anyone think?

http://www.axiomaudio.com/m80ti_main.html#
Axiom has been in business for a very long time so they are well regarded in the audio world. Some people characterize them as bright while others disagree so it's really up to you to decide if you want to give them a try. You can have people tell you what they think until you are blue in the face but in the end all that matters is what you think. I think Audioholics reviewed the M80 so look it up and maybe try to base your decision on that.
 
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ParkerAudio

Full Audioholic
Yeah, I need to do a little more research and check out the Axiom speakers a little further. I, like you have purchased some of the Mirage speakers, I particularly like their can speakers, really make a nice left and right surround for ceiling applications. I have also looked at the Mirage OMD-15, but they don't seem to have the specs or accolades that the Axioms have and they are twice the price.

http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?showAll=N&g=12000&i=653OMD15R&c=4&tp=185&avf=N&tab=features_and_specs



The Axioms look like a really good deal for what you get.
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
Yeah, I need to do a little more research and check out the Axiom speakers a little further. I, like you have purchased some of the Mirage speakers, I particularly like their can speakers, really make a nice left and right surround for ceiling applications. I have also looked at the Mirage OMD-15, but they don't seem to have the specs or accolades that the Axioms have and they are twice the price.

http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?showAll=N&g=12000&i=653OMD15R&c=4&tp=185&avf=N&tab=features_and_specs



The Axioms look like a really good deal for what you get.
The Mirage and Axiom are two totally different type of speakers so it's hard to compare. But I don't think you can go wrong with Axiom.
 
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chadnliz

Senior Audioholic
For a grand you can get DCM Time Windows for your mains, these are probably one of they best values in audio/HT...at the CES show I heard them put to shame or atleast compete very well with insane priced speakers.
 
the grunt

the grunt

Audioholic
I own an Epic 80/500 system and as gus6464 said Audioholics review is a good place to start. I agree completely with what they said about everything except the subwoofer because I have the EP500 not the EP600 so can‘t compare.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/floorstanding/axiom-audio-epic-80-600/page-6

Two personal observations for what it’s worth.

My M80s make good recordings sound great but they also make bad recordings sound really bad. In my opinion their dynamic range is unforgiving of bad recordings. Not an issue with new or re-mastered movies or good audio recordings but the few cheap CDs I have that I thought sounded ok I realized sound crappy.

Also as the review says it’s also my opinion that the VP150 just can’t keep up with the M80s. I realized how relatively inadequate it was to the M80s when I experimented with using a phantom center. The quality of the front soundstage was so much better playing the center channel through the M80s that it was a night and day difference. I now use the M80s as phantom centers 95% of the time. I only turn on the VP150 when the center channel track of movies is recorded so low that I have to boost it’s volume separately from the mains to hear it and I never use it for multi channel audio recordings. Some Axiom owners prefer using a M22 as a center in conjunction with the M80s. There are a couple of threads on the Axiom forum where people have compared them.

Just my opinion for what It’s worth.

Dean
 
skads_187

skads_187

Audioholic
anyone here have any axioms?
I read some reviews by searching on google, and the reviews are like 60/40 favorable. Has anyone heard these first hand? I dont just mean the m80's but in general.
 
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ParkerAudio

Full Audioholic
DCM Time Windows are great sounding, but I don't care for the look, and if I don't care for the look I know the wife will be twice as harsh.

Dean, what other speakers would you compare the M80 Axioms to? And if you had to do it over again, would you buy the Axioms again? And if so would you buy the Axiom VP150 again?
 
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3db

Audioholic Slumlord
DCM Time Windows are great sounding, but I don't care for the look, and if I don't care for the look I know the wife will be twice as harsh.

Dean, what other speakers would you compare the M80 Axioms to? And if you had to do it over again, would you buy the Axioms again? And if so would you buy the Axiom VP150 again?
I would also look at PSB's Image T65

http://www.psbspeakers.com/products/Image-Series/Image-T65-Tower

Very detailed speaker but not as "bright" as the Axiom. Its worth an audition.

And to answer your center channel question, ALWAYS match your center speaker with your mains from the same series from the same manufacturer to achieve the highest degree of timbre matching.
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
anyone here have any axioms?
I read some reviews by searching on google, and the reviews are like 60/40 favorable. Has anyone heard these first hand? I dont just mean the m80's but in general.
Plenty of people have Axioms. I feel they're excellent speakers, but the vocals were a tad reserved to my ear. Also, as grunt pointed out, they're unforgiving to poorly-recorded material. You really have to hear speakers for yourself to determine what you like. I wouldn't count out av123, Ascend, Monitor Audio, PSB, RBH, just to name a few.
 
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ParkerAudio

Full Audioholic
Those PSBs are nice! The input really helps. There are so many different places manufacturing speakers today, it is hard to sort out what is the best for the buck. Particularly when dealers for some of the better speakers are not in the area.

I purchased some Def Tech BP 2006TLs a few years ago, and they are good speakers, but I purchased my sister some RTi-10's right after that and I found that their highs were higher, with a little more clarity all around, even though they cost a little less.

I have always spent more on the electronics and less on the speakers, which I know is not right. I look at all the bright lights on the electronics, and get mesmerized. I really like the KEF 703, but my sensibilities still tell me spending around $3000 for two speakers is silly, and that within a few years or less something better will be out that is cheaper.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Matt, unless your room is large (> 3,000 C.F.) I would not mess with any bipolar speakers, including my favorite Def Tech Bipolar speakers.

AV123, SVS, Axioms, & PSB are nice speakers.
 
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trnqk7

Full Audioholic
A friend of mine just got the M60's-they are very nice. In his apartment, he doesn't need a subwoofer with them for music at all (it is a normal, one bedroom sized apartment...less than 1000 sq ft). They do as advertised, play exactly what is recorded. I personally like the highs from them, you can clearly hear the cymbals and high hats distinctly. They also like to be played loud. Subjectively, imaging is good, although depth of soundstage is not the greatest. I would for sure reccommend them in the sub $1000 price range. I don't believe you could go wrong with them.
 
the grunt

the grunt

Audioholic
@ParkerAudio

Dean, what other speakers would you compare the M80 Axioms to?
I would say the two I heard that were closest were the B&W 703s a friend from the UK owns and the Paradigm Monitor 11s I heard in a store. I only heard the 703s and M80s together in the same room. I never heard a direct comparison with the 11s.

Since I heard them together I feel comfortable saying that the 703s and M80s were very comparable. Both sounded dynamic and accurate with a slight edge going to the B&Ws for sounding a little smoother through their full frequency range. However, in my opinion it wasn’t enough for me to justify the additional cost.

Since I didn’t hear the Paradigms and Axioms in the same room it’s hard to make a direct comparison but I want to say that the Paradigms seemed to emphasize the highs as opposed to just sounding accurate. However, this could just have been do to the different listening environments.

And if you had to do it over again, would you buy the Axioms again?
Absolutely! For the price vs performance these are definitely the right speakers for me. And I do plan to buy more.

What finally convinced my to risk the return shipping and try the Axioms was their employees’ and forum members’ honesty when replying to my questions as compared to the irritating hard sell attitude and misinformation several of the brick and mortar salesmen gave me (I played stupid to see if they would BS me and to some degree they all did.) However, both the Axiom rep and forum members separately talked me out of getting the EP600 subwoofer for the EP500 instead suggesting I could always add another later. Some of the forum members also suggested SVS and HSU implying more bang for the buck. They also both talked me out of getting a 7.1 setup saying that I would see little improvement from a 5.1 setup with the QS8s in my room. In both cases they were spot on. My friend from the UK who has a 7.1 B&W system thinks my 5.1 with the QS8s has far better surround sound.

And if so would you buy the Axiom VP150 again?
No, I would not! I would only suggest it to someone who couldn’t fit either another M80 or M22 up front as a center. I know that part of it’s problem is bad room acoustics around the 100Hz to 500Hz range but even when trying to compensate for this the VP150 just sounds anemic sitting between the M80s. Even the Audioholics review said:

The minor gripe I have is the ability of the VP-150 center speaker to keep up with the M80ti tower speakers. In addition, their effective crossover point of 80Hz made it a little difficult to select the best crossover setting for the system…I recommend that two of the VP-150's be used with the M80tis in large rooms that intend to use front projection systems or very large displays.
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/floorstanding/axiom-audio-epic-80-600/page-6/?searchterm=axiom epic 80

Note that’s even the M80ti not the newer M80v2 which every comparison review I’ve seen says are even better.

I think the VP150 ruins the sound of 5.1 audio either simulated or discrete, and is often distracting in 5.1 movies when dynamic sounds pan across the front. Perhaps I’m being to critical as no enclosed center can stand up to ported towers but that’s what I hear in my room.

Presently my workaround is to run the M80s using a phantom center for most things. I tired the VP150 in the back as a rear for a 6.1 setup and found it blended seamlessly with the QS8s. However, the QS8s sound so good by themselves I didn’t notice any overall improvement unless playing discrete 6.1 or 7.1 disks and since most of what I have is 5.1 I put it backup front for when I occasionally need it to boost the center channel.


Sorry for being so long winded.

Cheers,
Dean
 
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ParkerAudio

Full Audioholic
Thank you for the advice, that is the way I am leaning. And to correct my previous post I did mean the B&W 703, so that was very helpful.
And you appear to like the sub as well.
 
the grunt

the grunt

Audioholic
Have to say that I love the sub. For my room (apartment) it’s a monster but still blends perfectly with the M80s.

As I mentioned many people feel you can get more bang for your buck with HSU or SVS I decided that since Axiom was treating me so right I wouldn’t be a mercenary and am extremely happy with the decision. Also I was sick of shopping and just wanted to start listening.

Dean
 
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