Help picking on-wall speakers

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Vashti

Enthusiast
First, thanks for all the great info here!

I am trying to figure out what on-wall speakers to buy for $1,000 or less.

Within the year, I plan to buy a 50” plasma –either Panny 50PX500U or 50PHD8UK or Pioneer 5060. For space reasons, I need to put TV and speakers on the wall.

The room is 16 x 15 at its widest (where kitchenette juts off it) & 16 x 9 at its narrowest. Seating will be 14.5’ from speakers. Speakers & TV have to go on a 73” wall, so I’m a long way from being able to set up the perfect triangle people recommend. This is problem one.

It is far from a good room acoustically. We have hardwood floors and can’t put down any rugs because of roommate’s allergies. It has four openings off of it. (entry hall into apt, closet w/cat food/litter, hall, and kitchen off living room – about 7’ x 3’). Only one wall has no openings. That’s the wall TV & speakers will go on. So that’s problem 2.

My equipment includes a Denon 2802 receiver, Sony DVP-NC875V cd/dvd player and soon a dvr cable box. I’ll use the set-up for about 70% video and 30% music. I want the speakers to do well with home theater and music. I listen to a lot of jazz vocals and cabaret and instrumental jazz and some classical and country.

My current setup is 5.1. My mains are Signet LCRs, I have Signet surrounds (I can’t find the number but they hand on the wall and are shaped like triangles so that they fire in two directions), a Def Tech Mythos center, and a Paradigm 12” sub. My center channel was way too big when I moved to NYC so my friend who sold me my system let me trade in my Signet center toward a Mythos center. If I go with Mythos, then I already have the center (unless I need to switch to Black to match TV, which could well happen). I liked Mythos when I listened to them in the store but found them only equal to or a tad less satisfying than my Signets. For this much money, I’d like to take a step up. So here’s what I’m trying to figure out:

What’s the best on-wall speakers for me?
Should I buy a new 5.1 system or just replace pieces of what I have? E.g. it would be great if the speakers I got went well with my sub, so I didn’t have to replace it. I’ve been told that Def Tech and Signet blend well – so one option would be to use Mythos for my 3 main speakers and leave the signets as my surrounds.

If Mythos is right for me, it’s simple. But if there’s an even better speaker in my price range, I’d rather go there. Here are my questions:

1) What are some speakers you think I should listen to? (Keep in mind the wall is 73’ and TV will be 50” – so speakers can’t be wider than 10” apiece)
2) Are there speakers that minimize the challenges of sitting too far from them given how close they are to each other?
3) Are there speakers that minimize the challenges of a room with a hardwood floor and four openings?
4) What speakers blend well with my equipment? Some day, I’d like to upgrade my receiver and CD/DVD player, but it won’t be for several years. For now, all my money will go into plasma and speakers.
5) Do you think my sub is sufficient or do you think I should be looking at something else?
6) What if I could bump my budget up to $1500? What would you do then?
7) And just for kicks, if money were no object (hey, a woman can dream), what on-wall speakers would you suggest I look at in my situation?

I know I need to go listen to them myself. But it’s overwhelming not knowing where to start. Hopefully, you folks can give my some ideas. Thanks for the help!!!
 
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beam3

Junior Audioholic
I'm also looking for in wall speakers, but they are going to be ceiling mounted. I started looking at the Polk RC60i and Infinity CS80R, would anyone be able to shed some light on these. I like the fact that the tweeter is position adjustable. These are probably going to be paired with a Denon 2805, which will be used for music & tv/movies.

Didn't mean to threadjack, I'm thinking the replies can benefit us both.
 
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Vashti

Enthusiast
Hey beam3, happy to share the thread with your question - but just to be clear, I am not looking for in-wall speakers - but ON-WALL speakers.
 
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perato

Audioholic Intern
B&W, Canton, and Von Schweikert are some companies that make on-wall speakers. B&W lists prices on its website. I do not know about the others. If you search the web, you will find more. You might also be able to use bookshelf speakers and mount them to walls, but ideally bookshelf speakers should be on stands. Check out the Audioholics Manufacturer List for other speaker manufacturers. It is not an exhaustive list, but it's a start.

Ideally, you should timbre match all speakers, except the subwoofer. Subwoofers do not need to be timbre matched to rest of speakers. Given that your room might be problematic acoustically and you want to sonically match new speakers to your existing speakers, try to find a dealer with a generous return policy or one that will let you try before you buy. If you can find speakers from the same manufacturer as the ones you already have, that would be the easiest bet for timbre matching. So call your speaker manufacturer.

Depending on your space constraints, you might want to check out satellite speakers. They are smaller than bookshelf speakers and usually can be mounted on walls or on stands. The only probelm with satellites is that they might be difficult to integrate with a subwoofer since satellites do not get much into the bass frequencies, but you can try. The 10" speaker width limitation is quite restrictive for many on wall speakers, so you might want to consider a smaller TV.

Of course, as with any audio equipment, bring your own discs to the dealer and listen for yourself, if you can find a dealer that demos on wall speakers.
 
Tomorrow

Tomorrow

Audioholic Ninja
Vashti said:
Within the year, I plan to buy a 50” plasma –either Panny 50PX500U or 50PHD8UK or Pioneer 5060. For space reasons, I need to put TV and speakers on the wall.
1) What are some speakers you think I should listen to? (Keep in mind the wall is 73’ and TV will be 50” – so speakers can’t be wider than 10” apiece)
Thanks for the help!!!

I'm not really cognicenti on your tv's of choice, but I'd guess they are more or less than 50" on width. The 50" measurement is the diagonal, not the width. Be sure to know the width of the tv's before settling on the speakers.

For on-wall choices, I think I recall that the RBH brand, highly touted by our Audioholics gurus, have some good choices.
 
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Vashti

Enthusiast
Thanks, y'all. Great responses. I'm in the middle of researching them all. Will try to listen to some. There don't seem to be a lot of bites on this thread. I'm wondering if I should have put it in the beginners thread.

Anyone know how I would move it there?

Thanks for all your help!
 
jaxvon

jaxvon

Audioholic Ninja
Nah, you should get responses here. The problem is, most people don't have a need or want for on-wall speakers, so there aren't as many people with experiences to share with you. The best thing for you to do would be to go out and listen and figure out what your listening tastes are. Speakers, more than anything else in audio, are all about personal preference. What sounds awesome to me might very litereally sound like garbage to you. But for help, I'll list some manufacturers that you should check out as a starting point (in no particular order).

Definitive Technology
Axiom
RBH
Leon Speakers
Klipsch

And if you don't mind mounting bookshelves to the wall with a bracket, then there are many more to audition, like Phase Technology. In this situation though, your ears need to decide what you like. Hopefully your ears don't have a bigger budget than your wallet...:rolleyes:
 
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Vashti

Enthusiast
Thanks everybody for all this great information. I'm planning on going in a couple of weeks to audition as many of these as I can find. The one part of the question no one has discussed is the handling an acoustically challenging room part (hardwood floors, 4 openings, seated too far from speakers given their distance from each other) Anyone know if any of these speakers are better than others with those challenges?
 
jcPanny

jcPanny

Audioholic Ninja
Room acoustics

Think of the room is a seperate component of your HT system. It is imposible for a single component like speakers, to correct for every room configuration.
By using in-walls, you create an additional challenge in that the speaker must properly correct for the fact that it is built into the wall, and not in a seperate enclosure.

That being said, speakers that have a rolled off high end frequencies might tend to sound better in an untreated echoey room.
 
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Vashti

Enthusiast
jcPanny said:
By using in-walls, you create an additional challenge in that the speaker must properly correct for the fact that it is built into the wall, and not in a seperate enclosure.

Thanks. That helps a lot. I'm actually getting on-wall speakers (as in very thin speakers designed to hang next to a plasma) not IN wall speakers. Does that make a difference. Is that any better?
 
mazersteven

mazersteven

Audioholic Warlord
Vashti said:
Thanks everybody for all this great information. I'm planning on going in a couple of weeks to audition as many of these as I can find. The one part of the question no one has discussed is the handling an acoustically challenging room part (hardwood floors, 4 openings, seated too far from speakers given their distance from each other) Anyone know if any of these speakers are better than others with those challenges?

If you have all these problems to contend with, give these a look. I think they will exceed your expectations

AIM LCR
Pivoting In-Wall Home Theater Speaker

www.speakercraft.com
 

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