Help me choose between these subs

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alphaiii

Audioholic General
On a side note, I swapped the room today, so now the audio setup is on the opposite wall. This will keep the low frequencies (and possibly ports) away from the wall connected to the neighbors.

The downside is that now the speakers point directly toward that wall. But since low frequency is more of an issue traveling through walls, I figured this would be the lesser of two evils.

Can't wait for the day I am out of grad school and own my own home - no more of this connected townhome or apt bs.
 
pzaur

pzaur

Audioholic Samurai
On a side note, I swapped the room today, so now the audio setup is on the opposite wall. This will keep the low frequencies (and possibly ports) away from the wall connected to the neighbors.

The downside is that now the speakers point directly toward that wall. But since low frequency is more of an issue traveling through walls, I figured this would be the lesser of two evils.

Can't wait for the day I am out of grad school and own my own home - no more of this connected townhome or apt bs.
Then it's time for an infinite baffle sub! :D

-pat
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
On a side note, I swapped the room today, so now the audio setup is on the opposite wall. This will keep the low frequencies (and possibly ports) away from the wall connected to the neighbors.

The downside is that now the speakers point directly toward that wall. But since low frequency is more of an issue traveling through walls, I figured this would be the lesser of two evils.

Can't wait for the day I am out of grad school and own my own home - no more of this connected townhome or apt bs.
I don't know how much it helps (if any) but I once put up a double layer of 1/2" cork on a shared wall. Oh well at least I tried.

I try to be a good neighbor and even living in my own house I have 2" thick sound dampening foam window plugs over the windows closest to my family room's main speakers. I least I can feel like I tried to be nice to the sweet little old lady next door.
 
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alphaiii

Audioholic General
I don't know how much it helps (if any) but I once put up a double layer of 1/2" cork on a shared wall. Oh well at least I tried.

I try to be a good neighbor and even living in my own house I have 2" thick sound dampening foam window plugs over the windows closest to my family room's main speakers. I least I can feel like I tried to be nice to the sweet little old lady next door.
I'd get some acoustic panels for the shared wall is it wouldn't run me a few hundred to do so.

Maybe I should also look into bass traps??
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
For now I'd just wait and once you get setup talk to your neighbors and see if it's bothering them. If it's not then you've saved some money. If it is then invest in really good headphones for those late night music blasting sessions.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I'd get some acoustic panels for the shared wall is it wouldn't run me a few hundred to do so.

Maybe I should also look into bass traps??
You could get deaden the back wall with 8lb rockwool.:D Would help some.

Then you could cover it with sheetrock or something of the sort.

Might make them quieter
 
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alphaiii

Audioholic General
You could get deaden the back wall with 8lb rockwool.:D Would help some.

Then you could cover it with sheetrock or something of the sort.

Might make them quieter
Well, if I owned the townhome I might be willing to give it a try. But since I rent, and may move in the foreseeable future, I'd only bother with sound deadening if I can take whatever it is I used with me to my next place.
 
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alphaiii

Audioholic General
Now before anyone says, "Well since you might move, get a bigger sub now so you don't want to upgrade in 6 months," keep in mind that, despite the possibility of moving, I'll still have to rent.

So I'm considering the small subs in this thread with the assumption that I'll be in a similar scenario. So I'll just reiterate - for the sake of not angering neighbors...I don't need low extension or high SPL; what I'm looking for is a bit of an upgrade from the tSC ASW-8 that will give me tight clean bass that will fill out the low end in my Energy RC-10/RC-Mini setup.

I keep considering just holding on to the ASW-8, but I just keep thinking that around $250 can give me alot more sub. It's really not a bad sub, but I do feel like it's just lacking a bit - not as tight and punchy as I like.

One thing I did notice with the ASW-8 was alot of vibration through the flooring - which is why I bought the Subdude. I think it's tightened up a bit now, and the vibration is taken care of, but I think the bass sounds a bit more muted now. Is this an inherent issue with using the Subdude with the downfiring design?

Since I didn't really give that as an option in the initial post - does anyone think I should just keep the ASW-8 and not bother with upgrading now?
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Now before anyone says, "Well since you might move, get a bigger sub now so you don't want to upgrade in 6 months," keep in mind that, despite the possibility of moving, I'll still have to rent.

So I'm considering the small subs in this thread with the assumption that I'll be in a similar scenario. So I'll just reiterate - for the sake of not angering neighbors...I don't need low extension or high SPL; what I'm looking for is a bit of an upgrade from the tSC ASW-8 that will give me tight clean bass that will fill out the low end in my Energy RC-10/RC-Mini setup.

I keep considering just holding on to the ASW-8, but I just keep thinking that around $250 can give me alot more sub. It's really not a bad sub, but I do feel like it's just lacking a bit - not as tight and punchy as I like.

One thing I did notice with the ASW-8 was alot of vibration through the flooring - which is why I bought the Subdude. I think it's tightened up a bit now, and the vibration is taken care of, but I think the bass sounds a bit more muted now. Is this an inherent issue with using the Subdude with the downfiring design?

Since I didn't really give that as an option in the initial post - does anyone think I should just keep the ASW-8 and not bother with upgrading now?
Using a downfiring sub with a subdude is a bad idea IMO.

It would effectively dampen the output of your sub.

One thing to make sure of. Is that you have enough space beneath your sub.

I personally hate downfiring subs. Dual subs wouldn't help with this issue.

I suggest an upgrade. Remember you can always turn it down if necessary. And most subs let you cut down on the low frequencies if they become an issue.
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
I'm started to sound like a broken record (remember those?), but I'd try a larger sub and talk to the neighbors. If they have a problem with it you can always return it. I'd also (broken record again) start shopping quality headphones. Senn HD600/650 for classical or Jazz, or Grado SR225i/325i for rock or mixed listening. It's an investment that you will never regret.
 
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alphaiii

Audioholic General
Using a downfiring sub with a subdude is a bad idea IMO.

It would effectively dampen the output of your sub.

One thing to make sure of. Is that you have enough space beneath your sub.

I personally hate downfiring subs. Dual subs wouldn't help with this issue.

I suggest an upgrade. Remember you can always turn it down if necessary. And most subs let you cut down on the low frequencies if they become an issue.
I kinda figured that was the issue.

Well then, the HSU STF-1 is out.... I think I really need the subdude, since even with just the ASW-8, I was getting ALOT of vibration in the flooring. I assume the STF-1 would be pounding the heck out of the floor even more.

There is also the issue of decreased lifespan with the drivers in downfiring subs, so I think I should just steer clear.
 
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alphaiii

Audioholic General
I'm started to sound like a broken record (remember those?), but I'd try a larger sub and talk to the neighbors. If they have a problem with it you can always return it. I'd also (broken record again) start shopping quality headphones. Senn HD600/650 for classical or Jazz, or Grado SR225i/325i for rock or mixed listening. It's an investment that you will never regret.
Sorry to make you sound like a broken record....

I am waiting on your thoughts on the tSC T250 - that larger sub I've started to consider.

As for headphones - I don't typically listen to music late at night, and if I do...it's on my PC. The bedroom setup is mainly for movies (although it will be used for music also, just not late at night), so no real need for headphones. Besides, I don't think my girlfriend would enjoy movies much in silence, while I'm soaking up the audio bliss in a good set of headphones. :D

I am just adamant about getting a sub that is tight and clean sounding. It's a personal preference that I opt for quality over quantity in a sub. Now don't get me wrong....I am in no way against low end extension - if you can tell me of a budget sub that has it, but also has very articulate bass.

The general consensus on the larger budget subs like the Bic H-100/VK12, PA 120, and Dayton subs seems to be that they give up some sound quality for ability to reach a bit lower and pump out more SPL. Perhaps the T250 focus a bit more on SQ, and actually be good fit for what I want.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I kinda figured that was the issue.

Well then, the HSU STF-1 is out.... I think I really need the subdude, since even with just the ASW-8, I was getting ALOT of vibration in the flooring. I assume the STF-1 would be pounding the heck out of the floor even more.

There is also the issue of decreased lifespan with the drivers in downfiring subs, so I think I should just steer clear.
What's your budget?

Why not just get a Dayton 12"?
 
pzaur

pzaur

Audioholic Samurai
Awaiting reviews! I'm beginning to really enjoy the outdoor speakers I put in. They sound completely different in the ceiling than they did out on the floor. (they were the TSC-IC8s)

-pat
 
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alphaiii

Audioholic General
What's your budget?

Why not just get a Dayton 12"?
Budget is $250. I thought about stretching it a bit for the STF-1, but ruling that out, everything else I've considered I can get within that budget.


I didn't consider any of the Dayton subs within my budget due to the general consensus that, while pretty decent subs, they can be a little boomy. Plus, the Dayton Sub-120 is pretty big - I was really looking for something fairly compact (although the T250 and even the STF-1 really don't fit the compact category).

If you are referring to one of the sealed Dayton kits - they're out of my price range.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Budget is $250. I thought about stretching it a bit for the STF-1, but ruling that out, everything else I've considered I can get within that budget.


I didn't consider any of the Dayton subs within my budget due to the general consensus that, while pretty decent subs, they can be a little boomy. Plus, the Dayton Sub-120 is pretty big - I was really looking for something fairly compact (although the T250 and even the STF-1 really don't fit the compact category).

If you are referring to one of the sealed Dayton kits - they're out of my price range.
I run a Dayton 10" and it's not boomy when well placed.

If you got 2 Dayton 10" or 8"s the boomy issues could be reduced.

Placement decides boominess more than anything else.
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
I have a Dayton 12, and I find it to be somewhat boomy, but still a decent sub for the price.
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
Mr

Ok this is just a first impression. Bear in mind that I'm spoiled by what I have in my family room so nothing else is going to live up to that. On to the first impression. The T250 is very light weight, but again that's relative. The appeaence is pretty good for a budget sub. It has a pleasant matte finish and all of the seams meat properly.

Taking the closer look I now understand how they can sell them so cheap and why a New Jersey company ships from a California warehouse - the T250s are made in China. My first test was in my office. This room is a little smaller than I thought at 10x12x10 or 1200cu ft. This room has a halfway decent (if anemic) Pioneer VSX-1014 receiver and each channel can be adjusted separately.
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
1st Impression

Ok this is just a first impression and nothing in depth or scientific. Also bear in mind that I'm spoiled by what I have in my family room so nothing else is going to live up to that. On to the first impression. The T250 is very light weight, but again that's relative. I found the appearance to be surprisingly good for a budget sub, and it has a pleasant matte finish and all of the seams meet properly. Taking closer look I now understand how they can sell them so cheap and why a New Jersey company ships from a California warehouse - the T250s are made in China. And yes the speaker cone really is aluminum.

My first test was in my office. This room is a little smaller than I thought at 10x12x10 or 1200cu ft. It has a halfway decent (if anemic) Pioneer VSX-1014 receiver and each channel can be adjusted separately. I used my ratshack meter to get the speakers balanced and then fine tuned by ear for the bizarre acoustics of this "stuff" filled room. Test material was a mix of music and a video with a bit of bass. The first thing that became obvious while listening to the battle scenes from We Were Solders was that the T250 goes much much lower than my VX10 and has great gobs more power. The VX10 does a good job with bass guitar but just cannot make you feel an explosion. The T250 didn't sound quite as tight but the VX10 is an exceptionally musical little sub. Listening to cuts 1,3 and 4 of Legends Of Jazz Showcase I was impressed. On track 3 it really belted out the lows of Marcus Miller's The Panther, and the T250 definitely packs more authority than the baby Velo. Looking back I think with it's directional sound that it could definitely have benefited from spending more time playing with placement.

Next I moved it into it's new home in my master bedroom. The VSX-912 receiver in the bedroom is very limited with very few adjustments. Listening to the same tracks it became obvious that the front-firing/front-ported T250 is very directional. This room is fairly big at 12x20x10.5 and my original plan had been to side mount it 10' back from the front wall firing straight out into the room. I played around a bit and quickly found that the T250 worked best angled to point at my listening position. It really pulled off the battle scenes from WWS quite well even at theater level volumes, but without rattling the room like my SVS does. Don't get me wrong, loose stuff still may need to be battened down to prevent rattles.

Because I have no test gear, and because the receiver in my bedroom is so poor, and finally because I've played for only 2 hours I'm going to avoid going beyond calling it acceptable and a very good deal for the price. I just haven't lived with it long enough to feel comfortable recommending it yet. If this helps... I don't plan on returning it. :D But I now realize that my Christmas present to myself will have to be a new receiver for my bedroom. Again as a 1st impression I found the T250 musical enough to keep do justice to Miller's bass guitar, and powerful and deep enough to deliver explosions. However it does not go deep enough to deliver the pounding rotor beat of a Huey the way my SVS does - but it's 1/5th the price and probably a much more neighbor friendly fit for a townhome than my 300lb SVS.

I'll try to spend more time with it and as I adjust to it's sound I'll post more impressions.
 
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